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Old 19 Dec 2007, 10:36 am
rick++
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Default my 2004 civic obeys new fuel economy law

I was disappointed when NBC news said only the hybrids
met the new 2020 mileage law of 35 mpg.
My 2004 regular ciivic statisfies this already according to my records.
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Old 19 Dec 2007, 12:37 pm
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rick++ wrote:
> I was disappointed when NBC news said only the hybrids
> met the new 2020 mileage law of 35 mpg.
> My 2004 regular ciivic statisfies this already according to my records.

I routinely get 36 MPG on the highway in my 1997 Civic.... Yes, an 11
year old car is getting 36 MPG! I also get 30 MPG in the city, and my
neighbor keeps hounding me to sell the Civic to his son because I have
two cars. Since my other car is an impractical gas burning V8 sports
car, there is no way I am letting go of the Civic.
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Old 19 Dec 2007, 04:52 pm
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Default Re: my 2004 civic obeys new fuel economy law

The 36 mpg is not an individual car standard, it is a measure that all autos
manufactured by a company has to meet.

"DJ NoMore" <djnomore@somewhere.someplace.com> wrote in message
news:2vednZp5P9Fby_TanZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
> rick++ wrote:
>> I was disappointed when NBC news said only the hybrids
>> met the new 2020 mileage law of 35 mpg.
>> My 2004 regular ciivic statisfies this already according to my records.

> I routinely get 36 MPG on the highway in my 1997 Civic.... Yes, an 11
> year old car is getting 36 MPG! I also get 30 MPG in the city, and my
> neighbor keeps hounding me to sell the Civic to his son because I have two
> cars. Since my other car is an impractical gas burning V8 sports car,
> there is no way I am letting go of the Civic.



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Old 19 Dec 2007, 06:46 pm
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Woody wrote:
> The 36 mpg is not an individual car standard, it is a measure that all autos
> manufactured by a company has to meet.
>

Oh, do I ever know that one. In 2000, I had a 2000 model year truck
that was no where near what the EPA rating was. I thought to myself,
did they measure EPA and throw in a downhill factor or something? I got
11 MPG in the city and 16 MPG on the highway and I think the sticker
claimed 14/20... yeah right. I won't even tell you how bad it was when
pulling my 3,000 pound mobile DJ trailer around, but it was SINGLE
digits and I had an additional $50 to $150 charge if I had to travel out
of town!

OTOH, before my 2007 Accord EX-L V6 6MT was totaled this past October, I
managed to eek out 31 to 33 MPG on my SEVEN trips from Louisiana to
Florida between February and May 2007. I thought that was pretty good
for a car that could hit 60 MPH in six seconds flat. Not bad for a 30
MPG highway rating per the sticker. At least my experience with my
Hondas is that they were always close to or better than the sticker EPA
MPG rating whereas my domestic brand cars never once hit the EPA rating
on the sticker.
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Old 20 Dec 2007, 01:41 am
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DJ NoMore wrote:
> Woody wrote:
>> The 36 mpg is not an individual car standard, it is a measure that all
>> autos manufactured by a company has to meet.
>>

> Oh, do I ever know that one. In 2000, I had a 2000 model year truck
> that was no where near what the EPA rating was. I thought to myself,
> did they measure EPA and throw in a downhill factor or something? I got
> 11 MPG in the city and 16 MPG on the highway and I think the sticker
> claimed 14/20... yeah right. I won't even tell you how bad it was when
> pulling my 3,000 pound mobile DJ trailer around, but it was SINGLE
> digits and I had an additional $50 to $150 charge if I had to travel out
> of town!
>
> OTOH, before my 2007 Accord EX-L V6 6MT was totaled this past October, I
> managed to eek out 31 to 33 MPG on my SEVEN trips from Louisiana to
> Florida between February and May 2007. I thought that was pretty good
> for a car that could hit 60 MPH in six seconds flat. Not bad for a 30
> MPG highway rating per the sticker. At least my experience with my
> Hondas is that they were always close to or better than the sticker EPA
> MPG rating whereas my domestic brand cars never once hit the EPA rating
> on the sticker.


epa ratings are done on a rolling road - i'm interested to see how they
take vehicle weight into account in that scenario, if at all.
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Old 31 Dec 2007, 09:16 am
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Default Re: my 2004 civic obeys new fuel economy law

rick++ wrote:
> I was disappointed when NBC news said only the hybrids
> met the new 2020 mileage law of 35 mpg.
> My 2004 regular ciivic statisfies this already according to my records.


It's the EPA ratings that count. Most people don't drive cars in a
fuel-efficient manner. And the mileage estimates for almost all cars
went down from last model year to this model year, because of changes in
the way the cars are tested.

Jeff
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Old 31 Dec 2007, 09:16 am
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Woody wrote:
> The 36 mpg is not an individual car standard, it is a measure that all autos
> manufactured by a company has to meet.


Yet, except for the hybrids, no cars meet the standard.

Jeff

>
> "DJ NoMore" <djnomore@somewhere.someplace.com> wrote in message
> news:2vednZp5P9Fby_TanZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>> rick++ wrote:
>>> I was disappointed when NBC news said only the hybrids
>>> met the new 2020 mileage law of 35 mpg.
>>> My 2004 regular ciivic statisfies this already according to my records.

>> I routinely get 36 MPG on the highway in my 1997 Civic.... Yes, an 11
>> year old car is getting 36 MPG! I also get 30 MPG in the city, and my
>> neighbor keeps hounding me to sell the Civic to his son because I have two
>> cars. Since my other car is an impractical gas burning V8 sports car,
>> there is no way I am letting go of the Civic.

>
>

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Old 31 Dec 2007, 09:20 am
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DJ NoMore wrote:
> Woody wrote:
>> The 36 mpg is not an individual car standard, it is a measure that all
>> autos manufactured by a company has to meet.
>>

> Oh, do I ever know that one. In 2000, I had a 2000 model year truck
> that was no where near what the EPA rating was. I thought to myself,
> did they measure EPA and throw in a downhill factor or something? I got
> 11 MPG in the city and 16 MPG on the highway and I think the sticker
> claimed 14/20... yeah right.


That's an *ESTIMATED* mileage based on slower highway speeds than you
have traveled. It is also based on E0 fuel (i.e., pure gasoline - most
of the available today are oxygenated, which decreases the mileage).

> I won't even tell you how bad it was when
> pulling my 3,000 pound mobile DJ trailer around, but it was SINGLE
> digits and I had an additional $50 to $150 charge if I had to travel out
> of town!


Well, dah! What do you expect? To be able to pull a big trailer around
for free?

> OTOH, before my 2007 Accord EX-L V6 6MT was totaled this past October, I
> managed to eek out 31 to 33 MPG on my SEVEN trips from Louisiana to
> Florida between February and May 2007. I thought that was pretty good
> for a car that could hit 60 MPH in six seconds flat. Not bad for a 30
> MPG highway rating per the sticker. At least my experience with my
> Hondas is that they were always close to or better than the sticker EPA
> MPG rating whereas my domestic brand cars never once hit the EPA rating
> on the sticker.


Gee, my Ford Contour V6 gets about 30 mpg on the highway, same as the
sticker estimate.

Jeff
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Old 31 Dec 2007, 09:20 am
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jim beam wrote:
> DJ NoMore wrote:
>> Woody wrote:
>>> The 36 mpg is not an individual car standard, it is a measure that
>>> all autos manufactured by a company has to meet.
>>>

>> Oh, do I ever know that one. In 2000, I had a 2000 model year truck
>> that was no where near what the EPA rating was. I thought to myself,
>> did they measure EPA and throw in a downhill factor or something? I
>> got 11 MPG in the city and 16 MPG on the highway and I think the
>> sticker claimed 14/20... yeah right. I won't even tell you how bad it
>> was when pulling my 3,000 pound mobile DJ trailer around, but it was
>> SINGLE digits and I had an additional $50 to $150 charge if I had to
>> travel out of town!
>>
>> OTOH, before my 2007 Accord EX-L V6 6MT was totaled this past October,
>> I managed to eek out 31 to 33 MPG on my SEVEN trips from Louisiana to
>> Florida between February and May 2007. I thought that was pretty good
>> for a car that could hit 60 MPH in six seconds flat. Not bad for a 30
>> MPG highway rating per the sticker. At least my experience with my
>> Hondas is that they were always close to or better than the sticker
>> EPA MPG rating whereas my domestic brand cars never once hit the EPA
>> rating on the sticker.

>
> epa ratings are done on a rolling road - i'm interested to see how they
> take vehicle weight into account in that scenario, if at all.


They don't.

Jeff
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Old 31 Dec 2007, 12:39 pm
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Default Re: my 2004 civic obeys new fuel economy law

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:16:05 GMT, Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>rick++ wrote:
>> I was disappointed when NBC news said only the hybrids
>> met the new 2020 mileage law of 35 mpg.
>> My 2004 regular ciivic statisfies this already according to my records.

>
>It's the EPA ratings that count. Most people don't drive cars in a
>fuel-efficient manner. And the mileage estimates for almost all cars
>went down from last model year to this model year, because of changes in
>the way the cars are tested.
>
>Jeff


Just to complicate things further, the CAFE standard is based on
*unadjusted* EPA mileage estimates. The EPA estimates reported to
buyers have been adjusted downward for many years to make them more
realistic. As you mention, the adjustment was tweaked again (further
downward) for 2008. Thus a car rated at 29 mpg might actually be
meeting the 35 mpg standard.
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