Honda Car Forum

still just me wrote:

> You have any illustrations of this alleged vortex? I'm having
> some difficulty visualizing how a deep bed interrupting
> airflow can produce less drag than a smooth surface cover from
> an engineering point of view. I could see it having
> weight/force distribution advantages, but from a drag
> viewpoint, it doesn't seem to make logical sense.

Presumably by creating an "air bearing", like the indentations
in golf balls are reputed to do. The circulating mass of air
moving along with the object is supposed to reduce frictional
losses overall.

Whether it works that way with the more irregular shape of of a
pickup tray is another matter.

John

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:20:57 -0600, "NoOneYouKnow"
<NoOneYouKnow@SpammersSuckBigTime.Com> wrote:

>This is called a "locked vortex" and
>it essentially creates a differential pressure zone within the bed that the
>main airflow rides upon as it goes over the bed.

Thanks. I guess if it creates a high enough pressure that it could
hold the other airflow in a better pattern. Maybe :-)

on 12/12/2007 6:58 PM still just me said the following:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:20:57 -0600, "NoOneYouKnow"
> <NoOneYouKnow@SpammersSuckBigTime.Com> wrote:
>
>
>> This is called a "locked vortex" and
>> it essentially creates a differential pressure zone within the bed that the
>> main airflow rides upon as it goes over the bed.
>>
>
> Thanks. I guess if it creates a high enough pressure that it could
> hold the other airflow in a better pattern. Maybe :-)
>
The best way to decrease pickup turbulence would be to use a torneau
cover on the bed that starts from the top of the cab to the top of the
tailgate, like a military hummer, making the PU a fastback.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
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"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Apparently you missed the Prius commercial where the guy buys one
> to be able to get ****ed by the girl who regularly attends the "Save the
> Whales" conventions.
>
> There's all kinds of images out there. The Prius owners are no different
> than the 50 year accountants who run out and buy Harleys and black
> leather jackets with fringe. Just because both are equally silly doesen't
> mean they don't exist.
>
> Ted
>
>

I don't want a Prius for the "Image" I want it for the electronic goodies
and minimal maintenance. The fact that it has one of the cleanest emissions
ratings is a nice bonus but I realize it wouldn't make a dent for me for 3
reasons: 1. I don't have a running car so I have to walk wherever I go for
now and any vehicle with an ICE (engine) would sort of be a step backwards
even if it is SULEV/AT-PZEV rated. 2. I live in southeast Iowa where most of
the population doesn't give a rat's ass about pollution and many either have
a carbureted vehicle that is out of tune, one that isn't running on all
cylinders, one that is burning oil, one that is leaking various fluids, or
one that has the "Check Engine" (MIL) either constantly on or on within a
few minutes of starting. 3. Iowa doesn't have vehicle inspections or
emissions testing.

Other than that I want it for the ability to draw up to 1KW from the 12V
battery continuously or up to 10KW (5-6KW is more realistic) from the
HV/hybrid/traction battery as long as the car is in Ready mode (started and
"running") and has gas in the tank. My house lost power for roughly 18
hours due to the ice storm here and having a Prius and an industrial UPS as
described here http://www.priups.com/ would have really come in handy.

but a good generator is about $18,000 cheaper, and will make that power
available in real world ac power that you can use without a very expensive
power inverter.
"Daniel Who Wants to Know" <danielthechskid@merrychristmasi.com> wrote in
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> I don't want a Prius for the "Image" I want it for the electronic goodies
> and minimal maintenance. Other than that I want it for the ability to
> draw up to 1KW from the 12V battery continuously or up to 10KW (5-6KW is
> more realistic) from the HV/hybrid/traction battery as long as the car is
> in Ready mode (started and "running") and has gas in the tank. My house
> lost power for roughly 18 hours due to the ice storm here and having a
> Prius and an industrial UPS as described here http://www.priups.com/ would
> have really come in handy.
>

"Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> but a good generator is about $18,000 cheaper, and will make that power
> available in real world ac power that you can use without a very expensive
> power inverter.
> "Daniel Who Wants to Know" <danielthechskid@merrychristmasi.com> wrote in
> message news:bye8j.247369$Fc.176252@attbi_s21...
>> I don't want a Prius for the "Image" I want it for the electronic goodies
>> and minimal maintenance. Other than that I want it for the ability to
>> draw up to 1KW from the 12V battery continuously or up to 10KW (5-6KW is
>> more realistic) from the HV/hybrid/traction battery as long as the car is
>> in Ready mode (started and "running") and has gas in the tank. My house
>> lost power for roughly 18 hours due to the ice storm here and having a
>> Prius and an industrial UPS as described here http://www.priups.com/
>> would have really come in handy.
>>
>
>

Driving your Generator to work might prove a bit difficult...

"My Name Is Nobody" <nobody@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:47619ad7$0$5945$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> but a good generator is about $18,000 cheaper, and will make that power
>> available in real world ac power that you can use without a very
>> expensive power inverter.
>> "Daniel Who Wants to Know" <danielthechskid@merrychristmasi.com> wrote in
>> message news:bye8j.247369$Fc.176252@attbi_s21...
>>> I don't want a Prius for the "Image" I want it for the electronic
>>> goodies and minimal maintenance. Other than that I want it for the
>>> ability to draw up to 1KW from the 12V battery continuously or up to
>>> 10KW (5-6KW is more realistic) from the HV/hybrid/traction battery as
>>> long as the car is in Ready mode (started and "running") and has gas in
>>> the tank. My house lost power for roughly 18 hours due to the ice storm
>>> here and having a Prius and an industrial UPS as described here
>>> http://www.priups.com/ would have really come in handy.
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Driving your Generator to work might prove a bit difficult...
>
Exactly what I was thinking...