Honda Car Forum

"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:37:55 -0500, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com>
> wrote:
>
>>DUH! Ford still sells the highest volume vehicle in the US, the F150 that
>>sells at a rate nearly twice that of the Camry, the best selling car,
>>because that is what buys want to buy.
>
> Ford isn't selling as many F150s now that gas seems to be permanently
> above $3. Sales are down 12% so far this year.
>
>
> F-series 635,520 -12.4%
> Camry 434,277 + 5.8%
> Accord 360,976 +10.8%
>

Yup! Soon the number will go like this:

F-series 635,520 -32.4%
Camry 434,277 + 35.8%
Accord 360,976 +30.8%

Still in your denial ha Mike Hunt? Go check out Craigslist, lots of F-series
owners trying to sell theirs.... Heehee....

<johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> That's what happens when they don't build vehicles the customers want.
> And now all three in Detroit are under new management. I like the
> turnaround in GM so far. Time will tell.
>

And so far GMC and FORD bought parts from CHINA... Can you interpret that?
Plus Bush pour all our resources to develop IRAQ.

> But when I wanted a 4WD SUV to do some rough 4 wheeling Ford did not meet my
> specifications.
> So I bought a Nissan product. A Infinity 2001 QX4. Great machine. Handles
> deep rivers and steep stair step rocky terrain. My favorite. Smooth
> clearance under side. No hanging items to catch on rocks.
>
>

Theres no hanging items on fords or chevs

"dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
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> "Ed White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:210f75f0-c172-4756-886c-81537d0033e6@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>> That's what happens when they don't build vehicles the customers want.
>>> And now all three in Detroit are under new management. I like the
>>> turnaround in GM so far. Time will tell.
>>
>> So where does that leave Toyota? For the last ten years they have devoted
>> far more dollars in the US to building ever larger trucks and SUVs. The
>> Toyota car line is stagnant (except for the Prius).
>
> The Camry was all-new for 2007 and included a hybrid version. The xB is
> new. The xD is new. The Yaris was introduced within the last two years.
> The Rav was all-new in 2006. The Tundra is new in 2007. The 4Runner was
> extensively reworked (don't know if it was a chassis-up changeover) in the
> last few years. The Avalon is all-new in the last couple of years. The
> FJ Cruiser is recent. The Highlander is all-new this year. The Corolla
> is expected to be replaced this year. The Sienna was new in 2004. The
> Tacoma is new in the last couple of years.
>
> You have a curious definition of "stagnant."

I said "car line." Most of the vehicle you are claiming to be new are trucks
or SUVs (or Scions). The point is that Toyota is following exactly the same
strategy people are claiming was a bad move for Ford.

I suppose the one exception is the "all new" Camry for 2007. But then Ford
had an all new Mustang in 2004, all new 500 in 2005, and all new Fusion in
2006. The Yaris is just a warmed over Japanese product. There are a few new
Scion models, but they are mostly just warmed over Japanese models sold as
Scions (not Toyotas). The point is, Toyota and Ford seem to be following
exactly the same strategy. When Ford concentrates on trucks and SUVs while
skimping on new "cars" they are criticized for following a bad strategy.
When Toyota follows the same strategy, it is considered a good strategy.

Ed

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
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>> "Ed White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:210f75f0-c172-4756-886c-81537d0033e6@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> That's what happens when they don't build vehicles the customers want.
>>>> And now all three in Detroit are under new management. I like the
>>>> turnaround in GM so far. Time will tell.
>>>
>>> So where does that leave Toyota? For the last ten years they have
>>> devoted far more dollars in the US to building ever larger trucks and
>>> SUVs. The Toyota car line is stagnant (except for the Prius).
>>
>> The Camry was all-new for 2007 and included a hybrid version. The xB is
>> new. The xD is new. The Yaris was introduced within the last two years.
>> The Rav was all-new in 2006. The Tundra is new in 2007. The 4Runner was
>> extensively reworked (don't know if it was a chassis-up changeover) in
>> the last few years. The Avalon is all-new in the last couple of years.
>> The FJ Cruiser is recent. The Highlander is all-new this year. The
>> Corolla is expected to be replaced this year. The Sienna was new in
>> 2004. The Tacoma is new in the last couple of years.
>>
>> You have a curious definition of "stagnant."
>
> I said "car line." Most of the vehicle you are claiming to be new are
> trucks or SUVs (or Scions). The point is that Toyota is following exactly
> the same strategy people are claiming was a bad move for Ford.
>
> I suppose the one exception is the "all new" Camry for 2007. But then Ford
> had an all new Mustang in 2004, all new 500 in 2005, and all new Fusion in

Come on now Ed, the Mustang was all new for 2005. :-)


> 2006. The Yaris is just a warmed over Japanese product. There are a few
> new Scion models, but they are mostly just warmed over Japanese models
> sold as Scions (not Toyotas). The point is, Toyota and Ford seem to be
> following exactly the same strategy. When Ford concentrates on trucks and
> SUVs while skimping on new "cars" they are criticized for following a bad
> strategy. When Toyota follows the same strategy, it is considered a good
> strategy.
>
> Ed
>

"My Name Is Nobody" <nobody@msn.com> wrote in message
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>> I suppose the one exception is the "all new" Camry for 2007. But then
>> Ford had an all new Mustang in 2004, all new 500 in 2005, and all new
>> Fusion in
>
> Come on now Ed, the Mustang was all new for 2005. :-)

You are correct.

Ed

"Picasso" <Picasso@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> But when I wanted a 4WD SUV to do some rough 4 wheeling Ford did not meet
>> my specifications.
>> So I bought a Nissan product. A Infinity 2001 QX4. Great machine. Handles
>> deep rivers and steep stair step rocky terrain. My favorite. Smooth
>> clearance under side. No hanging items to catch on rocks.
>
> Theres no hanging items on fords or chevs

Look at the shocks on rear.

Perhaps but the fact remains as of today the two best selling vehicles are
trucks not cars and both GM and Ford outsell any import. Not too many years
ago Ford was the best selling 'brand' in the US and the same pundits were
predicting Ford Motor Company would outsell GM in the US 'if the trend
continued,' but you are entitled to you own opinion



"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:37:55 -0500, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com>
> wrote:
>
>>DUH! Ford still sells the highest volume vehicle in the US, the F150 that
>>sells at a rate nearly twice that of the Camry, the best selling car,
>>because that is what buys want to buy.

>>For every car sold in the US in 2007 there is a truck sold in the US, why
>>do
>>you think Nissan and Toyota offer Trucks and Honda even tried to make a
>>"truck" out of the Accord with the Ridgeline? The second and third best
>>sellers are the Chevy and Dodge truck, not cars
>
>
> Ford isn't selling as many F150s now that gas seems to be permanently
> above $3. Sales are down 12% so far this year.
>
>
> F-series 635,520 -12.4%
> Camry 434,277 + 5.8%
> Accord 360,976 +10.8%
>
> If this trend continues, the F-series could be down to #3 in about
> three years.
>
> Bzzzt. Oh, I'm sorry. The correct answer (based on sales YTD) is:
>
> 1. F-Series
> 2. Silverado
> 3. Camry
> 4. Accord
> 5. Corolla
> 6. Ram
>
> Better luck next time.
>
> BTW, Ram was 4th in sales last year behind Camry so your "facts" are
> at least a year out of date.
>
> <http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071202/BUSINESS01/712020646/1002>
>
> Hey Mike, care to comment on US Ford sales falling behind Toyota this
> year? Or the fact that Toyota may pass Chevy to be the best selling
> brand?

Toyota does well with their imported midget, small and now American
assembled midsize cars and the union made small trucks but when it comes to
full size cars and trucks they are an "also rans." The Avalon, the T100
have been sales slugs and the Tundra is turning out to be a disaster.

If the Toyota loyalist want a Tundra they should go to one of the Manheim
Auto Auctions. Brand new 47K 4WD Tundras are going through the block as low
as the mid twenties


"Ed White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:l1f9l3tpo6ip33al11h29c08dhhumlaeua@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:37:55 -0500, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>DUH! Ford still sells the highest volume vehicle in the US, the F150
>>>that
>>>sells at a rate nearly twice that of the Camry, the best selling car,
>>>because that is what buys want to buy.
>>
>> Ford isn't selling as many F150s now that gas seems to be permanently
>> above $3. Sales are down 12% so far this year.
>
> Well the November news was not all bad for Ford. They actually sold more
> vehicle in November of 2007 than November 0f 2006. And in fact, Ford's
> monthly sales were up more in November of this year (compared to last
> November) than were Toyotas (Ford was up 0.6%, Toyota was up 0.3%).
>
> And apparently the new Tundra is turning into a disaster. Despite piling
> on incentives, Tundra sales can only be described as extremely
> disappointing (sales fell in November, and it is unlikely that Toyota will
> meet it sales goals for the new monster truck). In my opinion, Toyota
> screwed the pooch on this one. They replaced a reasonable sized truck with
> a ridiculously large loser. I do see a few of them around town now, but
> the only person I know that owns one is very disappointed. It sucks gas
> and rattles like an old Dodge.
>
> Ed
>

Perhaps but the F150 is still by far the best selling vehicle in the US
Hee Hee


"Tim" <Busher@noway.com> wrote in message news:fj2llk$md2$1@aioe.org...
>
> "Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:l1f9l3tpo6ip33al11h29c08dhhumlaeua@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:37:55 -0500, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>DUH! Ford still sells the highest volume vehicle in the US, the F150
>>>that
>>>sells at a rate nearly twice that of the Camry, the best selling car,
>>>because that is what buys want to buy.
>>
>> Ford isn't selling as many F150s now that gas seems to be permanently
>> above $3. Sales are down 12% so far this year.
>>
>>
>> F-series 635,520 -12.4%
>> Camry 434,277 + 5.8%
>> Accord 360,976 +10.8%
>>
>
> Yup! Soon the number will go like this:
>
> F-series 635,520 -32.4%
> Camry 434,277 + 35.8%
> Accord 360,976 +30.8%
>
> Still in your denial ha Mike Hunt? Go check out Craigslist, lots of
> F-series owners trying to sell theirs.... Heehee....
>
>
>
>
>
>