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Jim Yanik wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
> newsJX4j.21138$UQ1.15813@pd7urf1no:
>
>> Jim Yanik wrote:
>>
>>> a directional WINTER tire? I didn't know there was such an animal.
>> http://www.toyocanada.com/products/ObserveG02plus.asp
>>
>> OBSERVE G-02 plus - Ultimate Traction Winter Radial for passenegr
>> vehicles
>>
>>> why would a winter tire need to be directional? What benefit?
>>> It doesn't make sense.
>> * Designed with an aggressive unidirectional tread pattern for
>> superior performance in extreme snow and ice conditions, the Toyo
>> OBSERVE G-02 plus winter tire technology was specifically built to
>> handle Canada's most brutal winters.
>>
>
> that's not much of a "directional" tread pattern.
> Barely "directional".

Actually, just noticed today that the Michelin X-ICE snow tires on my
MPV are unidirectional as well...

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ireModel=X-Ice

Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in news:%dq5j.829$sg.806@pd7urf1no:

> Jim Yanik wrote:
>> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in
>> newsJX4j.21138$UQ1.15813@pd7urf1no:
>>
>>> Jim Yanik wrote:
>>>
>>>> a directional WINTER tire? I didn't know there was such an animal.
>>> http://www.toyocanada.com/products/ObserveG02plus.asp
>>>
>>> OBSERVE G-02 plus - Ultimate Traction Winter Radial for passenegr
>>> vehicles
>>>
>>>> why would a winter tire need to be directional? What benefit?
>>>> It doesn't make sense.
>>> * Designed with an aggressive unidirectional tread pattern for
>>> superior performance in extreme snow and ice conditions, the Toyo
>>> OBSERVE G-02 plus winter tire technology was specifically built to
>>> handle Canada's most brutal winters.
>>>
>>
>> that's not much of a "directional" tread pattern.
>> Barely "directional".
>
> Actually, just noticed today that the Michelin X-ICE snow tires on my
> MPV are unidirectional as well...
>
> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ireModel=X-Ice
>

Again,not much "directionality".(a deep Vee tread)
(compared to common sport directional tire treads)

For a snow tire,you really can't go "directional" like regular sport
tires(like Yoko ES100),you'd lose the snow traction ability.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik wrote:

> Again,not much "directionality".(a deep Vee tread)
> (compared to common sport directional tire treads)
>
> For a snow tire,you really can't go "directional" like regular sport
> tires(like Yoko ES100),you'd lose the snow traction ability.

I didn't realize there could be varying degrees of "directionality"...
is it possible to be "only a little bit directional"? Is that like
being "slightly pregnant"?

Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in news:CKJ5j.1733$iU.702@pd7urf2no:

> Jim Yanik wrote:
>
>> Again,not much "directionality".(a deep Vee tread)
>> (compared to common sport directional tire treads)
>>
>> For a snow tire,you really can't go "directional" like regular sport
>> tires(like Yoko ES100),you'd lose the snow traction ability.
>
> I didn't realize there could be varying degrees of "directionality"...
> is it possible to be "only a little bit directional"? Is that like
> being "slightly pregnant"?
>

by that I mean the degree of slant of the grooving.If you examine the ES100
tread,the "directional" grooves wrap much more around the tire in the plane
of the tire,a "deeper Vee".
your tire is much more "cross tread" than a typical directional tread tire.
Thus you get more tire noise on dry pavement.

I doubt you'd see much difference if your tire was mounted the "wrong way".


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106@gmail.com> wrote in news:CKJ5j.1733$iU.702@pd7urf2no:
>
>> Jim Yanik wrote:
>>
>>> Again,not much "directionality".(a deep Vee tread)
>>> (compared to common sport directional tire treads)
>>>
>>> For a snow tire,you really can't go "directional" like regular sport
>>> tires(like Yoko ES100),you'd lose the snow traction ability.
>> I didn't realize there could be varying degrees of "directionality"...
>> is it possible to be "only a little bit directional"? Is that like
>> being "slightly pregnant"?
>>
>
> by that I mean the degree of slant of the grooving.If you examine the ES100
> tread,the "directional" grooves wrap much more around the tire in the plane
> of the tire,a "deeper Vee".
> your tire is much more "cross tread" than a typical directional tread tire.
> Thus you get more tire noise on dry pavement.
>
> I doubt you'd see much difference if your tire was mounted the "wrong way".

I'm looking at assorted different pictures of various directional tires.
Few of their tread patterns are as "exaggerated" as those on the ES100s.

Fact is, the manufacturer considers the design "directional" and the
tires are accordingly marked with directional arrows. Thus they ARE, in
fact, directional tires, whether or not Jim Yanik considers them to be so.

JM wrote:
> I just put winter tires and steel rims on my 2001 Accord coupe. I've
> noticed the car seems to want to pull to the right now, and didn't before.
> The tires were on a different car last winter, is it possible the camber/toe
> was different enough on the old car that it's causing this one to track to
> the right? If that's the case, it should eventually even out as the tires
> wear to match this car's setup, right?
>
>


Maybe the shop used poor lifting practices and bend a suspension arm
slightly.