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Old 02 Dec 2015, 04:26 pm
Lynn McGuire
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Default 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2

I've got a 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2. 92K miles. Makes it run like crap.

Junk the car or pull the head? The shop has no idea if it is just the head gasket or a crack in the head.

Thanks,
Lynn
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Old 03 Dec 2015, 09:37 pm
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Default Re: 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2

In article <n3nnih$gjd$1@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...

> I've got a 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2. 92K miles. Makes it run like crap.
>
> Junk the car or pull the head? The shop has no idea if it is just the head gasket or a crack in the head.


92K miles isn't all that much, if the car's been properly maintained and
there's nothing else major wrong with it. How much is the shop quoting
for pulling the head? If it's the head gasket, Repair Pal estimates
$650-850, and almost all of that cost is labor.

It comes down to how committed you are to the car. If they pull the head
and find out it's cracked, would you call it a day, eat the labor for
pulling the head, and junk the car, or accept a much larger repair bill
and maybe try to mitigate the cost by sourcing a replacement head from a
junkyard.
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Old 04 Dec 2015, 01:28 pm
Lynn McGuire
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Default Re: 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2

On 12/3/2015 8:37 PM, Dave Garrett wrote:
> In article <n3nnih$gjd$1@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>
>> I've got a 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2. 92K miles. Makes it run like crap.
>>
>> Junk the car or pull the head? The shop has no idea if it is just the head gasket or a crack in the head.

>
> 92K miles isn't all that much, if the car's been properly maintained and
> there's nothing else major wrong with it. How much is the shop quoting
> for pulling the head? If it's the head gasket, Repair Pal estimates
> $650-850, and almost all of that cost is labor.
>
> It comes down to how committed you are to the car. If they pull the head
> and find out it's cracked, would you call it a day, eat the labor for
> pulling the head, and junk the car, or accept a much larger repair bill
> and maybe try to mitigate the cost by sourcing a replacement head from a
> junkyard.


$1,500 for labor. Was $1,750 estimate at Honda dealer. $900 of that to pull the head and evaluate. We are moving forward. If the
head is damaged then will re-evaluate. It is a 2005 bright red EX SE coupe with 5 speed manual, factory spoiler and factory aluminum
wheels. The wife still loves it.

Lynn

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Old 04 Dec 2015, 01:29 pm
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Default Re: 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2

On 12/4/2015 12:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 12/3/2015 8:37 PM, Dave Garrett wrote:
>> In article <n3nnih$gjd$1@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>>
>>> I've got a 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2. 92K miles. Makes it run like crap.
>>>
>>> Junk the car or pull the head? The shop has no idea if it is just the head gasket or a crack in the head.

>>
>> 92K miles isn't all that much, if the car's been properly maintained and
>> there's nothing else major wrong with it. How much is the shop quoting
>> for pulling the head? If it's the head gasket, Repair Pal estimates
>> $650-850, and almost all of that cost is labor.
>>
>> It comes down to how committed you are to the car. If they pull the head
>> and find out it's cracked, would you call it a day, eat the labor for
>> pulling the head, and junk the car, or accept a much larger repair bill
>> and maybe try to mitigate the cost by sourcing a replacement head from a
>> junkyard.

>
> $1,500 for labor. Was $1,750 estimate at Honda dealer. $900 of that to pull the head and evaluate. We are moving forward. If the
> head is damaged then will re-evaluate. It is a 2005 bright red EX SE coupe with 5 speed manual, factory spoiler and factory aluminum
> wheels. The wife still loves it.
>
> Lynn


And the car is in awesome condition with only some paint scratches.

Lynn

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Old 07 Dec 2015, 03:03 am
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Default Re: 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2

In article <n3slu6$l5f$2@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>
> On 12/4/2015 12:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > On 12/3/2015 8:37 PM, Dave Garrett wrote:
> >> In article <n3nnih$gjd$1@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
> >>
> >>> I've got a 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2. 92K miles. Makes it run like crap.
> >>>
> >>> Junk the car or pull the head? The shop has no idea if it is just the head gasket or a crack in the head.
> >>
> >> 92K miles isn't all that much, if the car's been properly maintained and
> >> there's nothing else major wrong with it. How much is the shop quoting
> >> for pulling the head? If it's the head gasket, Repair Pal estimates
> >> $650-850, and almost all of that cost is labor.
> >>
> >> It comes down to how committed you are to the car. If they pull the head
> >> and find out it's cracked, would you call it a day, eat the labor for
> >> pulling the head, and junk the car, or accept a much larger repair bill
> >> and maybe try to mitigate the cost by sourcing a replacement head from a
> >> junkyard.

> >
> > $1,500 for labor. Was $1,750 estimate at Honda dealer. $900 of that to pull the head and evaluate. We are moving forward. If the
> > head is damaged then will re-evaluate. It is a 2005 bright red EX SE coupe with 5 speed manual, factory spoiler and factory aluminum
> > wheels. The wife still loves it.
> >
> > Lynn

>
> And the car is in awesome condition with only some paint scratches.
>
> Lynn


$1500 seems on the high side, but I've never had to have a head pulled
so I don't have a frame of reference what my preferred local shop would
charge for that. Still, the car's worth quite a bit more than that,
probably somewhere between $6-7K depending on whether an individual or a
dealer is selling it. I'm biased toward paying close attention to
maintenance and fixing things when they break or wear out instead of
letting them go. Both of my Hondas are several years older and with
significantly higher mileage than yours. They still look good and drive
very well. IMO people are often too quick to get rid of perfectly
serviceable cars, but then again most folks have no knowledge of, or
interest in, how they operate.
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Old 07 Dec 2015, 03:04 pm
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Default Re: 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2

On 12/7/15 1:32 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 12/7/2015 2:03 AM, Dave Garrett wrote:
>> In article <n3slu6$l5f$2@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2015 12:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 12/3/2015 8:37 PM, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>>> In article <n3nnih$gjd$1@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got a 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2. 92K
>>>>>> miles. Makes it run like crap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Junk the car or pull the head? The shop has no idea if it is just
>>>>>> the head gasket or a crack in the head.
>>>>>
>>>>> 92K miles isn't all that much, if the car's been properly
>>>>> maintained and
>>>>> there's nothing else major wrong with it. How much is the shop quoting
>>>>> for pulling the head? If it's the head gasket, Repair Pal estimates
>>>>> $650-850, and almost all of that cost is labor.
>>>>>
>>>>> It comes down to how committed you are to the car. If they pull the
>>>>> head
>>>>> and find out it's cracked, would you call it a day, eat the labor for
>>>>> pulling the head, and junk the car, or accept a much larger repair
>>>>> bill
>>>>> and maybe try to mitigate the cost by sourcing a replacement head
>>>>> from a
>>>>> junkyard.
>>>>
>>>> $1,500 for labor. Was $1,750 estimate at Honda dealer. $900 of
>>>> that to pull the head and evaluate. We are moving forward. If the
>>>> head is damaged then will re-evaluate. It is a 2005 bright red EX
>>>> SE coupe with 5 speed manual, factory spoiler and factory aluminum
>>>> wheels. The wife still loves it.
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> And the car is in awesome condition with only some paint scratches.
>>>
>>> Lynn

>>
>> $1500 seems on the high side, but I've never had to have a head pulled
>> so I don't have a frame of reference what my preferred local shop would
>> charge for that. Still, the car's worth quite a bit more than that,
>> probably somewhere between $6-7K depending on whether an individual or a
>> dealer is selling it. I'm biased toward paying close attention to
>> maintenance and fixing things when they break or wear out instead of
>> letting them go. Both of my Hondas are several years older and with
>> significantly higher mileage than yours. They still look good and drive
>> very well. IMO people are often too quick to get rid of perfectly
>> serviceable cars, but then again most folks have no knowledge of, or
>> interest in, how they operate.

>
> The head is not cracked but slightly warped. We are getting the head
> milled for another $900 for a total cost of $2400 (including tax).
>
> Lynn
>


I don't believe I'd make a repair costing about a third of a vehicle's
value in one of that age and mileage. Too many other "hardening of the
arteries" type issues just beneath the surface maybe getting ready to
bite you on your butt.

Buy your wife a nice red Porsche. She'll forgive you for junking her Honda.

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Old 07 Dec 2015, 03:47 pm
Lynn McGuire
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Default Re: 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2

On 12/7/2015 2:04 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:
> On 12/7/15 1:32 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 12/7/2015 2:03 AM, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>> In article <n3slu6$l5f$2@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/4/2015 12:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>> On 12/3/2015 8:37 PM, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>>>> In article <n3nnih$gjd$1@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got a 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2. 92K
>>>>>>> miles. Makes it run like crap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Junk the car or pull the head? The shop has no idea if it is just
>>>>>>> the head gasket or a crack in the head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 92K miles isn't all that much, if the car's been properly
>>>>>> maintained and
>>>>>> there's nothing else major wrong with it. How much is the shop quoting
>>>>>> for pulling the head? If it's the head gasket, Repair Pal estimates
>>>>>> $650-850, and almost all of that cost is labor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It comes down to how committed you are to the car. If they pull the
>>>>>> head
>>>>>> and find out it's cracked, would you call it a day, eat the labor for
>>>>>> pulling the head, and junk the car, or accept a much larger repair
>>>>>> bill
>>>>>> and maybe try to mitigate the cost by sourcing a replacement head
>>>>>> from a
>>>>>> junkyard.
>>>>>
>>>>> $1,500 for labor. Was $1,750 estimate at Honda dealer. $900 of
>>>>> that to pull the head and evaluate. We are moving forward. If the
>>>>> head is damaged then will re-evaluate. It is a 2005 bright red EX
>>>>> SE coupe with 5 speed manual, factory spoiler and factory aluminum
>>>>> wheels. The wife still loves it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn
>>>>
>>>> And the car is in awesome condition with only some paint scratches.
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> $1500 seems on the high side, but I've never had to have a head pulled
>>> so I don't have a frame of reference what my preferred local shop would
>>> charge for that. Still, the car's worth quite a bit more than that,
>>> probably somewhere between $6-7K depending on whether an individual or a
>>> dealer is selling it. I'm biased toward paying close attention to
>>> maintenance and fixing things when they break or wear out instead of
>>> letting them go. Both of my Hondas are several years older and with
>>> significantly higher mileage than yours. They still look good and drive
>>> very well. IMO people are often too quick to get rid of perfectly
>>> serviceable cars, but then again most folks have no knowledge of, or
>>> interest in, how they operate.

>>
>> The head is not cracked but slightly warped. We are getting the head
>> milled for another $900 for a total cost of $2400 (including tax).
>>
>> Lynn
>>

>
> I don't believe I'd make a repair costing about a third of a vehicle's value in one of that age and mileage. Too many other
> "hardening of the arteries" type issues just beneath the surface maybe getting ready to bite you on your butt.
>
> Buy your wife a nice red Porsche. She'll forgive you for junking her Honda.


Earlier this year, we performed the 100K mile maintenance (new timing belt and plugs). And got a new clutch and throwout bearing.
And replaced the bearing in the manual gearbox since one was growling. So, we have spent the $6K that the car is worth, all one job
at a time.

Since we work (and may live soon) on a gravel road, I would not buy her a Porsche. But a Rav4 is looking very nice. No more Hondas
according to Consumer Reports.

Lynn
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Old 08 Dec 2015, 09:10 am
Wade Garrett
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Default Re: 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2

On 12/7/15 3:47 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 12/7/2015 2:04 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:
>> On 12/7/15 1:32 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 12/7/2015 2:03 AM, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> In article <n3slu6$l5f$2@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/4/2015 12:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/3/2015 8:37 PM, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <n3nnih$gjd$1@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've got a 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2. 92K
>>>>>>>> miles. Makes it run like crap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Junk the car or pull the head? The shop has no idea if it is just
>>>>>>>> the head gasket or a crack in the head.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 92K miles isn't all that much, if the car's been properly
>>>>>>> maintained and
>>>>>>> there's nothing else major wrong with it. How much is the shop
>>>>>>> quoting
>>>>>>> for pulling the head? If it's the head gasket, Repair Pal estimates
>>>>>>> $650-850, and almost all of that cost is labor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It comes down to how committed you are to the car. If they pull the
>>>>>>> head
>>>>>>> and find out it's cracked, would you call it a day, eat the labor
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> pulling the head, and junk the car, or accept a much larger repair
>>>>>>> bill
>>>>>>> and maybe try to mitigate the cost by sourcing a replacement head
>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>> junkyard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $1,500 for labor. Was $1,750 estimate at Honda dealer. $900 of
>>>>>> that to pull the head and evaluate. We are moving forward. If the
>>>>>> head is damaged then will re-evaluate. It is a 2005 bright red EX
>>>>>> SE coupe with 5 speed manual, factory spoiler and factory aluminum
>>>>>> wheels. The wife still loves it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>
>>>>> And the car is in awesome condition with only some paint scratches.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn
>>>>
>>>> $1500 seems on the high side, but I've never had to have a head pulled
>>>> so I don't have a frame of reference what my preferred local shop would
>>>> charge for that. Still, the car's worth quite a bit more than that,
>>>> probably somewhere between $6-7K depending on whether an individual
>>>> or a
>>>> dealer is selling it. I'm biased toward paying close attention to
>>>> maintenance and fixing things when they break or wear out instead of
>>>> letting them go. Both of my Hondas are several years older and with
>>>> significantly higher mileage than yours. They still look good and drive
>>>> very well. IMO people are often too quick to get rid of perfectly
>>>> serviceable cars, but then again most folks have no knowledge of, or
>>>> interest in, how they operate.
>>>
>>> The head is not cracked but slightly warped. We are getting the head
>>> milled for another $900 for a total cost of $2400 (including tax).
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>>

>>
>> I don't believe I'd make a repair costing about a third of a vehicle's
>> value in one of that age and mileage. Too many other
>> "hardening of the arteries" type issues just beneath the surface maybe
>> getting ready to bite you on your butt.
>>
>> Buy your wife a nice red Porsche. She'll forgive you for junking her
>> Honda.

>
> Earlier this year, we performed the 100K mile maintenance (new timing
> belt and plugs). And got a new clutch and throwout bearing. And
> replaced the bearing in the manual gearbox since one was growling. So,
> we have spent the $6K that the car is worth, all one job at a time.
>
> Since we work (and may live soon) on a gravel road, I would not buy her
> a Porsche. But a Rav4 is looking very nice. No more Hondas according
> to Consumer Reports.
>
> Lynn


Ah, well you've already addressed a lot of the potential problems I was
concerned about...so go for it. In for a dime, in for a dollar.

Me? I'd be ready for a nice new ride after 11 years!

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Old 08 Dec 2015, 03:54 pm
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Default Re: 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2

On 12/8/2015 8:10 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
> On 12/7/15 3:47 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 12/7/2015 2:04 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:
>>> On 12/7/15 1:32 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 12/7/2015 2:03 AM, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>>> In article <n3slu6$l5f$2@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/4/2015 12:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/3/2015 8:37 PM, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <n3nnih$gjd$1@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've got a 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2. 92K
>>>>>>>>> miles. Makes it run like crap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Junk the car or pull the head? The shop has no idea if it is just
>>>>>>>>> the head gasket or a crack in the head.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 92K miles isn't all that much, if the car's been properly
>>>>>>>> maintained and
>>>>>>>> there's nothing else major wrong with it. How much is the shop
>>>>>>>> quoting
>>>>>>>> for pulling the head? If it's the head gasket, Repair Pal estimates
>>>>>>>> $650-850, and almost all of that cost is labor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It comes down to how committed you are to the car. If they pull the
>>>>>>>> head
>>>>>>>> and find out it's cracked, would you call it a day, eat the labor
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> pulling the head, and junk the car, or accept a much larger repair
>>>>>>>> bill
>>>>>>>> and maybe try to mitigate the cost by sourcing a replacement head
>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>> junkyard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $1,500 for labor. Was $1,750 estimate at Honda dealer. $900 of
>>>>>>> that to pull the head and evaluate. We are moving forward. If the
>>>>>>> head is damaged then will re-evaluate. It is a 2005 bright red EX
>>>>>>> SE coupe with 5 speed manual, factory spoiler and factory aluminum
>>>>>>> wheels. The wife still loves it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the car is in awesome condition with only some paint scratches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>
>>>>> $1500 seems on the high side, but I've never had to have a head pulled
>>>>> so I don't have a frame of reference what my preferred local shop would
>>>>> charge for that. Still, the car's worth quite a bit more than that,
>>>>> probably somewhere between $6-7K depending on whether an individual
>>>>> or a
>>>>> dealer is selling it. I'm biased toward paying close attention to
>>>>> maintenance and fixing things when they break or wear out instead of
>>>>> letting them go. Both of my Hondas are several years older and with
>>>>> significantly higher mileage than yours. They still look good and drive
>>>>> very well. IMO people are often too quick to get rid of perfectly
>>>>> serviceable cars, but then again most folks have no knowledge of, or
>>>>> interest in, how they operate.
>>>>
>>>> The head is not cracked but slightly warped. We are getting the head
>>>> milled for another $900 for a total cost of $2400 (including tax).
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't believe I'd make a repair costing about a third of a vehicle's
>>> value in one of that age and mileage. Too many other
>>> "hardening of the arteries" type issues just beneath the surface maybe
>>> getting ready to bite you on your butt.
>>>
>>> Buy your wife a nice red Porsche. She'll forgive you for junking her
>>> Honda.

>>
>> Earlier this year, we performed the 100K mile maintenance (new timing
>> belt and plugs). And got a new clutch and throwout bearing. And
>> replaced the bearing in the manual gearbox since one was growling. So,
>> we have spent the $6K that the car is worth, all one job at a time.
>>
>> Since we work (and may live soon) on a gravel road, I would not buy her
>> a Porsche. But a Rav4 is looking very nice. No more Hondas according
>> to Consumer Reports.
>>
>> Lynn

>
> Ah, well you've already addressed a lot of the potential problems I was concerned about...so go for it. In for a dime, in for a dollar.
>
> Me? I'd be ready for a nice new ride after 11 years!


The wife really likes the car a lot. And she hates change. And she hates larger cars.

Lynn

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Old 08 Dec 2015, 03:56 pm
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On 12/8/2015 8:10 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
> On 12/7/15 3:47 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 12/7/2015 2:04 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:
>>> On 12/7/15 1:32 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 12/7/2015 2:03 AM, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>>> In article <n3slu6$l5f$2@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/4/2015 12:28 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/3/2015 8:37 PM, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <n3nnih$gjd$1@dont-email.me>, lmc@winsim.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've got a 2005 Civc EX with radiator fluid in cylinder #2. 92K
>>>>>>>>> miles. Makes it run like crap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Junk the car or pull the head? The shop has no idea if it is just
>>>>>>>>> the head gasket or a crack in the head.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 92K miles isn't all that much, if the car's been properly
>>>>>>>> maintained and
>>>>>>>> there's nothing else major wrong with it. How much is the shop
>>>>>>>> quoting
>>>>>>>> for pulling the head? If it's the head gasket, Repair Pal estimates
>>>>>>>> $650-850, and almost all of that cost is labor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It comes down to how committed you are to the car. If they pull the
>>>>>>>> head
>>>>>>>> and find out it's cracked, would you call it a day, eat the labor
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> pulling the head, and junk the car, or accept a much larger repair
>>>>>>>> bill
>>>>>>>> and maybe try to mitigate the cost by sourcing a replacement head
>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>> junkyard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $1,500 for labor. Was $1,750 estimate at Honda dealer. $900 of
>>>>>>> that to pull the head and evaluate. We are moving forward. If the
>>>>>>> head is damaged then will re-evaluate. It is a 2005 bright red EX
>>>>>>> SE coupe with 5 speed manual, factory spoiler and factory aluminum
>>>>>>> wheels. The wife still loves it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the car is in awesome condition with only some paint scratches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>
>>>>> $1500 seems on the high side, but I've never had to have a head pulled
>>>>> so I don't have a frame of reference what my preferred local shop would
>>>>> charge for that. Still, the car's worth quite a bit more than that,
>>>>> probably somewhere between $6-7K depending on whether an individual
>>>>> or a
>>>>> dealer is selling it. I'm biased toward paying close attention to
>>>>> maintenance and fixing things when they break or wear out instead of
>>>>> letting them go. Both of my Hondas are several years older and with
>>>>> significantly higher mileage than yours. They still look good and drive
>>>>> very well. IMO people are often too quick to get rid of perfectly
>>>>> serviceable cars, but then again most folks have no knowledge of, or
>>>>> interest in, how they operate.
>>>>
>>>> The head is not cracked but slightly warped. We are getting the head
>>>> milled for another $900 for a total cost of $2400 (including tax).
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't believe I'd make a repair costing about a third of a vehicle's
>>> value in one of that age and mileage. Too many other
>>> "hardening of the arteries" type issues just beneath the surface maybe
>>> getting ready to bite you on your butt.
>>>
>>> Buy your wife a nice red Porsche. She'll forgive you for junking her
>>> Honda.

>>
>> Earlier this year, we performed the 100K mile maintenance (new timing
>> belt and plugs). And got a new clutch and throwout bearing. And
>> replaced the bearing in the manual gearbox since one was growling. So,
>> we have spent the $6K that the car is worth, all one job at a time.
>>
>> Since we work (and may live soon) on a gravel road, I would not buy her
>> a Porsche. But a Rav4 is looking very nice. No more Hondas according
>> to Consumer Reports.
>>
>> Lynn

>
> Ah, well you've already addressed a lot of the potential problems I was concerned about...so go for it. In for a dime, in for a dollar.
>
> Me? I'd be ready for a nice new ride after 11 years!


We own a 1997 Honda Civic EX also with 102K miles as our backup car. The interior and exterior are falling apart, etc. But it still
starts and runs just fine. The wife wanted to know if I could move the 97 engine into the 05. I said no ...

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