Honda Car Forum


 

Go Back   Honda Car Forum - Accord Parts Civic Tuning Acura Racing > Honda Acura > Honda 2

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 18 Feb 2015, 01:35 pm
JRStern
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Three-state starter button

Does anybody *like* the three state version?

Times when I need electricity but not the engine, seems like I always
end up cycling multiple times and/or accidentally starting the car,
before it's over.

Also, why wouldn't they have the windows work when the radio does?

J.

Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 18 Feb 2015, 07:20 pm
Howard Lester
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Three-state starter button

"JRStern" wrote

> Does anybody *like* the three state version?
>
> Times when I need electricity but not the engine, seems like I always
> end up cycling multiple times and/or accidentally starting the car,
> before it's over.


Have you ever pressed the button to shut off the engine when the shift lever
was anywhere but "Park?" More fun....

Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 19 Feb 2015, 07:21 am
Elmo P. Shagnasty
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Three-state starter button

In article <r8q9ea1ufub1jb4vn0bdl56fodom8hu2hc@4ax.com>,
JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:

> Does anybody *like* the three state version?
>
> Times when I need electricity but not the engine, seems like I always
> end up cycling multiple times and/or accidentally starting the car,
> before it's over.
>
> Also, why wouldn't they have the windows work when the radio does?
>
> J.


dude, you're completely missing that this is EXACTLY how ignition keys
have worked FOREVER.

Step 1: accessory power, including radio but not windows. On German
cars, the headlights do not turn on.

Step 2: full power on. Everything is powered up and is pulling from
the battery. On German cars, the headlights can turn on.

Step 3: engage engine starter. This part of the ignition switch is
spring loaded, so all you have to do to release the engine starter is
release the key. The key will settle back down to the "full power on"
state, which is where the car and drive system are normally running.

Windows have never, ever worked when the ignition is on accessory power
only.



So, on to power buttons and how to give the user the same experience:

Push 1: accessory power, including radio but not windows.

Push 2: full power on. Everything is powered up and is pulling from
the battery.

Push 3: engage engine starter.


The Prius technically goes through accessory power, to all power, to
off--but this behavior happens only when the driver's foot is off the
brake. The only time the drive system comes to "Ready" is when the
driver's foot is on the brake. And even then, it's only one push of the
button. To take a Prius from full-off to Ready: make sure key is
engaged (either in the slot or, in the case of the keyless ignition,
inside the car somewhere), put foot on brake, push Start button one
time. Voila.

You're saying that Honda does it differently? Are you saying that Honda
forces you to push the Start button three times?
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 19 Feb 2015, 12:56 pm
JRStern
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Three-state starter button

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:21:19 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <r8q9ea1ufub1jb4vn0bdl56fodom8hu2hc@4ax.com>,
> JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Does anybody *like* the three state version?
>>
>> Times when I need electricity but not the engine, seems like I always
>> end up cycling multiple times and/or accidentally starting the car,
>> before it's over.
>>
>> Also, why wouldn't they have the windows work when the radio does?
>>
>> J.

>
>dude, you're completely missing that this is EXACTLY how ignition keys
>have worked FOREVER.
>
>Step 1: accessory power, including radio but not windows. On German
>cars, the headlights do not turn on.
>
>Step 2: full power on. Everything is powered up and is pulling from
>the battery. On German cars, the headlights can turn on.
>
>Step 3: engage engine starter. This part of the ignition switch is
>spring loaded, so all you have to do to release the engine starter is
>release the key. The key will settle back down to the "full power on"
>state, which is where the car and drive system are normally running.
>
>Windows have never, ever worked when the ignition is on accessory power
>only.


Well now, I don't recall exactly, and I may have rewired at least one
car so the windows DID work on accessory power, maybe my old Alfa.

I also vaguely recall cars where the accessory position of the key was
in the opposite direction to the start trigger. Old GM?

When I turn off the car and find I've left a window open I have to hit
the button twice to get power to the windows, then a third time to
turn it off - unless I accidentally left my foot on the brake and then
the engine starts. Sequences like that.

Except there's a little deal where the windows still work on accessory
for five minutes or so, then they are cut out. So someone at Honda at
least sees the issue, but that's not much movement towards a fix.

A simple red button for start, and blue button for accessory power
that includes windows, would serve my purposes. Why would I want to
turn on all systems without hitting the start trigger, maintenance?
So hide the trick for that setting somewhere else, maybe hold the blue
button for three seconds.

J.

Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 19 Feb 2015, 02:47 pm
Seth
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Three-state starter button

It happens that JRStern formulated :
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:21:19 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <r8q9ea1ufub1jb4vn0bdl56fodom8hu2hc@4ax.com>,
>> JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anybody *like* the three state version?
>>>
>>> Times when I need electricity but not the engine, seems like I always
>>> end up cycling multiple times and/or accidentally starting the car,
>>> before it's over.
>>>
>>> Also, why wouldn't they have the windows work when the radio does?
>>>
>>> J.

>>
>> dude, you're completely missing that this is EXACTLY how ignition keys
>> have worked FOREVER.
>>
>> Step 1: accessory power, including radio but not windows. On German
>> cars, the headlights do not turn on.
>>
>> Step 2: full power on. Everything is powered up and is pulling from
>> the battery. On German cars, the headlights can turn on.
>>
>> Step 3: engage engine starter. This part of the ignition switch is
>> spring loaded, so all you have to do to release the engine starter is
>> release the key. The key will settle back down to the "full power on"
>> state, which is where the car and drive system are normally running.
>>
>> Windows have never, ever worked when the ignition is on accessory power
>> only.

>
> Well now, I don't recall exactly, and I may have rewired at least one
> car so the windows DID work on accessory power, maybe my old Alfa.
>
> I also vaguely recall cars where the accessory position of the key was
> in the opposite direction to the start trigger. Old GM?


VERY old

> When I turn off the car and find I've left a window open I have to hit
> the button twice to get power to the windows, then a third time to
> turn it off - unless I accidentally left my foot on the brake and then
> the engine starts. Sequences like that.
>
> Except there's a little deal where the windows still work on accessory
> for five minutes or so, then they are cut out. So someone at Honda at
> least sees the issue, but that's not much movement towards a fix.


Most modern cars, Honda's included, even those still key operated (like
my C300) the windows still operate after the ignition has been powered
off until a door is opened. many the radio also stays on till a door
is opened.

> A simple red button for start, and blue button for accessory power
> that includes windows, would serve my purposes. Why would I want to
> turn on all systems without hitting the start trigger, maintenance?
> So hide the trick for that setting somewhere else, maybe hold the blue
> button for three seconds.


There are already too many buttons in modern cars and you are
suggesting adding an additional one? To serve a very small use-case?
It's not that hard. If you already powered down AND opened your door
and then discover you left a window open then just hit the start button
once without your foot on the brake and close the window then tap again
till off.

Or, like many cars (can't remember is Honda does or not), press and
hold the lock button on your keyfob for a few seconds and that ill roll
up the windows.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 19 Feb 2015, 06:36 pm
JRStern
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Three-state starter button

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:47:21 -0500, Seth <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com>
wrote:

>It happens that JRStern formulated :
>> On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:21:19 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <r8q9ea1ufub1jb4vn0bdl56fodom8hu2hc@4ax.com>,
>>> JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anybody *like* the three state version?
>>>>
>>>> Times when I need electricity but not the engine, seems like I always
>>>> end up cycling multiple times and/or accidentally starting the car,
>>>> before it's over.
>>>>
>>>> Also, why wouldn't they have the windows work when the radio does?
>>>>
>>>> J.
>>>
>>> dude, you're completely missing that this is EXACTLY how ignition keys
>>> have worked FOREVER.
>>>
>>> Step 1: accessory power, including radio but not windows. On German
>>> cars, the headlights do not turn on.
>>>
>>> Step 2: full power on. Everything is powered up and is pulling from
>>> the battery. On German cars, the headlights can turn on.
>>>
>>> Step 3: engage engine starter. This part of the ignition switch is
>>> spring loaded, so all you have to do to release the engine starter is
>>> release the key. The key will settle back down to the "full power on"
>>> state, which is where the car and drive system are normally running.
>>>
>>> Windows have never, ever worked when the ignition is on accessory power
>>> only.

>>
>> Well now, I don't recall exactly, and I may have rewired at least one
>> car so the windows DID work on accessory power, maybe my old Alfa.
>>
>> I also vaguely recall cars where the accessory position of the key was
>> in the opposite direction to the start trigger. Old GM?

>
>VERY old
>
>> When I turn off the car and find I've left a window open I have to hit
>> the button twice to get power to the windows, then a third time to
>> turn it off - unless I accidentally left my foot on the brake and then
>> the engine starts. Sequences like that.
>>
>> Except there's a little deal where the windows still work on accessory
>> for five minutes or so, then they are cut out. So someone at Honda at
>> least sees the issue, but that's not much movement towards a fix.

>
>Most modern cars, Honda's included, even those still key operated (like
>my C300) the windows still operate after the ignition has been powered
>off until a door is opened. many the radio also stays on till a door
>is opened.
>
>> A simple red button for start, and blue button for accessory power
>> that includes windows, would serve my purposes. Why would I want to
>> turn on all systems without hitting the start trigger, maintenance?
>> So hide the trick for that setting somewhere else, maybe hold the blue
>> button for three seconds.

>
>There are already too many buttons in modern cars and you are
>suggesting adding an additional one? To serve a very small use-case?
>It's not that hard. If you already powered down AND opened your door
>and then discover you left a window open then just hit the start button
>once without your foot on the brake and close the window then tap again
>till off.
>
>Or, like many cars (can't remember is Honda does or not), press and
>hold the lock button on your keyfob for a few seconds and that ill roll
>up the windows.


Actually I think the car does that but I've never tried it. I seldom
take the fob out of my pocket for car operations.

I don't like adding another button, that is well taken, but I also
don't like three-states for these reasons, so it's a tossup. A
three-position knob, like the key mechanism but without the key, would
be fine. I've always thought "push-button start" was some kind of
throwback to the 1950s or 1930s or forward to The Jetsons or
something.

Voice operation might be better, if one could depend on it. For that
matter the car could greet me by name and ask permission to start.
Why not, in a few years I'll send it a text message and it will run
down to the store by itself to pick up some groceries. I guess button
engineering is just old school.

J.


Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 20 Feb 2015, 04:41 am
Elmo P. Shagnasty
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Three-state starter button

In article <p0ccea5t0risr4uec1qhe3dc48rrqiij3d@4ax.com>,
JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:

> Except there's a little deal where the windows still work on accessory
> for five minutes or so, then they are cut out.


nope. Not on accessory power.

Windows work for 30 seconds or so after you've turned the ignition off.
That's very common.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 20 Feb 2015, 04:42 am
Elmo P. Shagnasty
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Three-state starter button

In article <fvvceahvvck4e7e0p4vfk5m9mpmj4n0jl2@4ax.com>,
JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:

> I don't like adding another button, that is well taken, but I also
> don't like three-states for these reasons


But the car you had before had the exact same three states. Where's the
complaint?
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 20 Feb 2015, 06:40 am
Howard Lester
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Three-state starter button

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote

>> Except there's a little deal where the windows still work on accessory
>> for five minutes or so, then they are cut out.


> nope. Not on accessory power.
>
> Windows work for 30 seconds or so after you've turned the ignition off.
> That's very common.


Yes. The 2013 Accord's windows work for up to 10 minutes after the ignition
is turned off -- as long as you don't open the door.

Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 20 Feb 2015, 09:05 pm
JRStern
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Three-state starter button

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:40:08 -0500, "Howard Lester"
<howardxtlester@verizon.net> wrote:

>"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote
>
>>> Except there's a little deal where the windows still work on accessory
>>> for five minutes or so, then they are cut out.

>
>> nope. Not on accessory power.
>>
>> Windows work for 30 seconds or so after you've turned the ignition off.
>> That's very common.

>
>Yes. The 2013 Accord's windows work for up to 10 minutes after the ignition
>is turned off -- as long as you don't open the door.


OK, that's right.

But it leaves me confused, if I stop the car and want to wait and
listen to the radio, and open some windows, that's one thing, but if I
go out and come back in and then want to wait, it's another.

And there's not so much as a pilot light to tell you what mode it's in
or isn't, I just hit the windows or radio, and they work or they
don't.

J.


Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2003 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L V6 power lock button on key fob won't work, but trunk button will.? dwayne_michael_carter_jr.32988 Honda Technical 2 18 Sep 2013 12:03 am
Is it possible to install a push button starter in a honda civic? Benjii43 Honda Technical 3 26 Dec 2012 12:47 pm
Unused button across from warning flashers button? Damon Acura Technical 2 05 Aug 2011 01:31 pm
how would i hook up a push button starter to my honda? kimandzach@att.net Honda Technical 1 13 Mar 2008 09:46 pm
I have a 1998 honda accord coupe and just chaged the starter the starter works fine but GoGo Honda Technical 7 06 Oct 2007 08:09 am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:16 pm.


Attribution:
Honda News | Autoblog
Powered by Yahoo Answers




Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2 © 2011, Crawlability, Inc.
HondaCarForum.com is not affiliated with Honda Motor Company in any way. Honda Motor Company does not sponsor, support, or endorse HondaCarForum.com in any way. Copyright/trademark/sales mark infringements are not intended or implied.