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Old 08 Jan 2015, 08:56 am
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Default 1991 Accord power steering not working when cold start

The other day, temperature below 20F, the power steering worked a bit
to the left but not at all to the right. After a few blocks and some
twisting the wheels left and right, it came on and worked fine. Same
for the next day. In the afternoon, after sitting outside all day,
same thing.

I probably won't keep the car much longer since a number of things are
starting to fail, but I'd like to nurse it through the winter. The
fluid hasn't been changed in a few years, nor the belts.

It could be low or just old fluid, or maybe the belt? But I don't hear
any issues with the belt, no squealing. I looked in the reservoir and
I can see some fluid. I bought some new fluid from Autozone - the one
for Hondas although I doubt if it's original Honda fluid.

The writing on the reservoir says (on a cold engine) add fluid to the
top when the fluid is below some line that I didn't see in the dark.
So I actually cleaned out the garage and for the first time since I
moved in 20 years ago, left the car in the garage overnight.

No problems this morning, but I suspect that it will be trouble this
afternoon since it's 8F out.

Any ideas on what to do? Flush?
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Old 08 Jan 2015, 06:16 pm
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Default Re: 1991 Accord power steering not working when cold start

dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:cq1taa9f3gtdv9cltldgcla2ol81jb21tg@
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> The fluid hasn't been changed in a few years,



What kind of fluid is in there right now?


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Old 09 Jan 2015, 09:23 am
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Default Re: 1991 Accord power steering not working when cold start

On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 23:16:43 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.org>
wrote:

>dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:cq1taa9f3gtdv9cltldgcla2ol81jb21tg@
>4ax.com:
>
>> The fluid hasn't been changed in a few years,

>
>
>What kind of fluid is in there right now?


I don't know. I would think Honda since I used to have them to the big
maintainence projects, but I don't think it's been changed in a decade
or so.
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Old 09 Jan 2015, 05:59 pm
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Default Re: 1991 Accord power steering not working when cold start

dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:21ovaa195svrn6ba7va6na7a4m2fot67k2@
4ax.com:

> On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 23:16:43 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.org>
> wrote:
>
>>dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:cq1taa9f3gtdv9cltldgcla2ol81jb21tg@
>>4ax.com:
>>
>>> The fluid hasn't been changed in a few years,

>>
>>
>>What kind of fluid is in there right now?

>
> I don't know. I would think Honda since I used to have them to the big
> maintainence projects, but I don't think it's been changed in a decade
> or so.




OK.

But the fluid level ought not to drop so far as to go allow air into the
system, even after 10-years. I suspect you have a fluid leak -- which
likely means split boots.

If the boots are split, then you need a new rack to cure this once and for
all.

If I were you, I'd go to the dealer and buy a pint of the real stuff
(Genuine Honda PS Fluid). The aftermarket stuff you bought is not a good
idea even though it's marketed as "Honda compatible", and may cause further
damage.

Top-up the reservoir with Genuine Honda PS Fluid.. If the problem goes
away, then just keep topping it up as the level drops. If the problem does
NOT go away even with topped-up fluid, then you need a new rack.



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Old 10 Jan 2015, 12:45 pm
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2015 22:59:52 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.org>
wrote:

>dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:21ovaa195svrn6ba7va6na7a4m2fot67k2@
>4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 23:16:43 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:cq1taa9f3gtdv9cltldgcla2ol81jb21tg@
>>>4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> The fluid hasn't been changed in a few years,
>>>
>>>
>>>What kind of fluid is in there right now?

>>
>> I don't know. I would think Honda since I used to have them to the big
>> maintainence projects, but I don't think it's been changed in a decade
>> or so.

>
>
>
>OK.
>
>But the fluid level ought not to drop so far as to go allow air into the
>system, even after 10-years. I suspect you have a fluid leak -- which
>likely means split boots.
>
>If the boots are split, then you need a new rack to cure this once and for
>all.
>
>If I were you, I'd go to the dealer and buy a pint of the real stuff
>(Genuine Honda PS Fluid). The aftermarket stuff you bought is not a good
>idea even though it's marketed as "Honda compatible", and may cause further
>damage.
>
>Top-up the reservoir with Genuine Honda PS Fluid.. If the problem goes
>away, then just keep topping it up as the level drops. If the problem does
>NOT go away even with topped-up fluid, then you need a new rack.


I took it to the mechanic who flushed and filled it with Honda stuff.
If it works, great, if not, all I need to do is have it limp along for
a few months. There are also two oil leaks that showed up, one on the
side of the timing belt and one near the transmission. The car looks
like shit and doesn't drive all that well - I mean it gets me places
but I'm starting to be concerned about the safety as it gets so old.

In all likelyhood I'm going to be moving to Florida in a few months,
so I doubt that it's going to make the trip with me. There are lots of
cars down there that folks give up because they can't drive or maybe
breathe.
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Old 12 Jan 2015, 03:02 pm
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Default Re: 1991 Accord power steering not working when cold start

On Fri, 9 Jan 2015 22:59:52 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.org>
wrote:

>dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:21ovaa195svrn6ba7va6na7a4m2fot67k2@
>4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 23:16:43 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:cq1taa9f3gtdv9cltldgcla2ol81jb21tg@
>>>4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> The fluid hasn't been changed in a few years,
>>>
>>>
>>>What kind of fluid is in there right now?

>>
>> I don't know. I would think Honda since I used to have them to the big
>> maintainence projects, but I don't think it's been changed in a decade
>> or so.

>
>
>
>OK.
>
>But the fluid level ought not to drop so far as to go allow air into the
>system, even after 10-years. I suspect you have a fluid leak -- which
>likely means split boots.
>
>If the boots are split, then you need a new rack to cure this once and for
>all.
>
>If I were you, I'd go to the dealer and buy a pint of the real stuff
>(Genuine Honda PS Fluid). The aftermarket stuff you bought is not a good
>idea even though it's marketed as "Honda compatible", and may cause further
>damage.
>
>Top-up the reservoir with Genuine Honda PS Fluid.. If the problem goes
>away, then just keep topping it up as the level drops. If the problem does
>NOT go away even with topped-up fluid, then you need a new rack.


I wasted $70 flushing out the PS fluid but it didn't help. So it's
something worse, and a rack sounds too expensive to fix, especially
since there are also oil leak(s).

Hopefully it makes it another few months. Ah, the steering isn't going
to suddenly stop working, is it?
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Old 12 Jan 2015, 03:42 pm
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dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
news:6u98bahsnpkmge1iulq7es2co7rfv1cffe@4ax.com:


>
> Hopefully it makes it another few months.



If it's been stable up to now, chances are it will stay that way for a long
time.


> Ah, the steering isn't going
> to suddenly stop working, is it?
>



It won't "stop working", but the boost may go away suddenly, making the car
difficult to steer, like a very heavy manual steering. I'd be careful going
around turns, and be ready for any sudden loss of boost.


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Old 13 Jan 2015, 08:35 am
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 20:42:24 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.org>
wrote:

>dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
>news:6u98bahsnpkmge1iulq7es2co7rfv1cffe@4ax.com :
>
>
>>
>> Hopefully it makes it another few months.

>
>
>If it's been stable up to now, chances are it will stay that way for a long
>time.
>
>
>> Ah, the steering isn't going
>> to suddenly stop working, is it?
>>

>
>
>It won't "stop working", but the boost may go away suddenly, making the car
>difficult to steer, like a very heavy manual steering. I'd be careful going
>around turns, and be ready for any sudden loss of boost.


Two hands on the wheel.
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Old 01 Feb 2015, 01:19 pm
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Default Re: 1991 Accord power steering not working when cold start

On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 12:45:36 PM UTC-5, dgk wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Jan 2015 22:59:52 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.org>
> wrote:
>
> >dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:21ovaa195svrn6ba7va6na7a4m2fot67k2@
> >4ax.com:
> >
> >> On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 23:16:43 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:cq1taa9f3gtdv9cltldgcla2ol81jb21tg@
> >>>4ax.com:
> >>>
> >>>> The fluid hasn't been changed in a few years,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>What kind of fluid is in there right now?
> >>
> >> I don't know. I would think Honda since I used to have them to the big
> >> maintainence projects, but I don't think it's been changed in a decade
> >> or so.

> >
> >
> >
> >OK.
> >
> >But the fluid level ought not to drop so far as to go allow air into the
> >system, even after 10-years. I suspect you have a fluid leak -- which
> >likely means split boots.
> >
> >If the boots are split, then you need a new rack to cure this once and for
> >all.
> >
> >If I were you, I'd go to the dealer and buy a pint of the real stuff
> >(Genuine Honda PS Fluid). The aftermarket stuff you bought is not a good
> >idea even though it's marketed as "Honda compatible", and may cause further
> >damage.
> >
> >Top-up the reservoir with Genuine Honda PS Fluid.. If the problem goes
> >away, then just keep topping it up as the level drops. If the problem does
> >NOT go away even with topped-up fluid, then you need a new rack.

>
> I took it to the mechanic who flushed and filled it with Honda stuff.
> If it works, great, if not, all I need to do is have it limp along for
> a few months. There are also two oil leaks that showed up, one on the
> side of the timing belt and one near the transmission. The car looks
> like shit and doesn't drive all that well - I mean it gets me places
> but I'm starting to be concerned about the safety as it gets so old.
>
> In all likelyhood I'm going to be moving to Florida in a few months,
> so I doubt that it's going to make the trip with me. There are lots of
> cars down there that folks give up because they can't drive or maybe
> breathe.


Not sure if this is still the case, but there used to be a lot of classic cars in Florida. Lots of 1970s, 80s Cadillacs, etc.

Good luck, I hope the problem is solved with the fluid service.

If you decide to leave the car behind, the good news is that there is probably some High School kid who will jump on it to fix it up and make it good for a few more years to come. Even if they put "Mini Me" wheels on it.
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Old 03 Feb 2015, 09:19 am
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On Sun, 1 Feb 2015 10:19:16 -0800 (PST), "David E. Powell"
<David_Powell3006@msn.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 12:45:36 PM UTC-5, dgk wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Jan 2015 22:59:52 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:21ovaa195svrn6ba7va6na7a4m2fot67k2@
>> >4ax.com:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 23:16:43 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:cq1taa9f3gtdv9cltldgcla2ol81jb21tg@
>> >>>4ax.com:
>> >>>
>> >>>> The fluid hasn't been changed in a few years,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>What kind of fluid is in there right now?
>> >>
>> >> I don't know. I would think Honda since I used to have them to the big
>> >> maintainence projects, but I don't think it's been changed in a decade
>> >> or so.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >OK.
>> >
>> >But the fluid level ought not to drop so far as to go allow air into the
>> >system, even after 10-years. I suspect you have a fluid leak -- which
>> >likely means split boots.
>> >
>> >If the boots are split, then you need a new rack to cure this once and for
>> >all.
>> >
>> >If I were you, I'd go to the dealer and buy a pint of the real stuff
>> >(Genuine Honda PS Fluid). The aftermarket stuff you bought is not a good
>> >idea even though it's marketed as "Honda compatible", and may cause further
>> >damage.
>> >
>> >Top-up the reservoir with Genuine Honda PS Fluid.. If the problem goes
>> >away, then just keep topping it up as the level drops. If the problem does
>> >NOT go away even with topped-up fluid, then you need a new rack.

>>
>> I took it to the mechanic who flushed and filled it with Honda stuff.
>> If it works, great, if not, all I need to do is have it limp along for
>> a few months. There are also two oil leaks that showed up, one on the
>> side of the timing belt and one near the transmission. The car looks
>> like shit and doesn't drive all that well - I mean it gets me places
>> but I'm starting to be concerned about the safety as it gets so old.
>>
>> In all likelyhood I'm going to be moving to Florida in a few months,
>> so I doubt that it's going to make the trip with me. There are lots of
>> cars down there that folks give up because they can't drive or maybe
>> breathe.

>
>Not sure if this is still the case, but there used to be a lot of classic cars in Florida. Lots of 1970s, 80s Cadillacs, etc.
>
>Good luck, I hope the problem is solved with the fluid service.
>
>If you decide to leave the car behind, the good news is that there is probably some High School kid who will jump on it to fix it up and make it good for a few more years to come. Even if they put "Mini Me" wheels on it.


Thanks. This morning it was 10F out and it just barely started. I let
it run a few minutes and the steering was fine. The car is really
falling apart though. The seals around the windshield must be going
because I'm getting ice forming on the inside of the window. That's
pretty cool. Water leaks into the trunk from somewhere. And of course
the more serious rack problem and oil leaks. But I'll give it to
someone who will be happy with it.

I think I'd get about nothing if I donate it for a tax writeoff. I'd
guess that any car that runs would be worth a thousand or so but it's
so old that it isn't on the blue book any more! I just checked the
sites and they only go back to 1992. Well, if it was 1992 it would be
worth $900.
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