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Old 29 Oct 2014, 09:16 am
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Default Radiator prob '91 Integra ?

Is it typical for the top seal of original radiator in a '91 Integra to
begin to fail @ 23 years of use ?

It is loosing radiator fluid about 8 oz ( .250 L) every 2-3 days but not
much more than that afterwards (slowly looses more but not drastically)

No obvious drips/puddles or leaks underneath after driving .

I noticed the Top seam around the radiator top is wetted with radiator
fluid. It is original radiator and appears to be constructed with folded
tabs holding the top on radiator. I am supposing that there is a rubber
seal in the seam and is probably failing ??

No chance of successfully fixing that ?

So, if radiator is replaced what other work and replacement should be done
at that same time since it looks like alot of stuff, hoses and such must be
removed/disconnected.

Thanks for any helpful advise,
robb


BTW

is alt.autos.acura not used anymore ? looks like low traffic ? where
have all the Acura-ians been displaced/moved to ?


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Old 29 Oct 2014, 04:04 pm
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> "robb" wrote in message news:m2qpam$1q66$1@adenine.netfront.net...
> Is it typical for the top seal of original radiator in a '91 Integra to
> begin to fail @ 23 years of use ?
>
> It is loosing radiator fluid about 8 oz ( .250 L) every 2-3 days but not
> much more than that afterwards (slowly looses more but not drastically)
>

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>
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Does radiator brand matter ? Which to avoid ? I found numerous brands on
web with price $ 56 - 218

TOYO ? Koyo, denso, CSF, metrix, spectra , gpd, apdi etc......

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Old 29 Oct 2014, 08:40 pm
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Default Re: Radiator prob '91 Integra ? Q ?

"robb" <some@where.on.net> wrote in
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>> "robb" wrote in message news:m2qpam$1q66$1@adenine.netfront.net...
>> Is it typical for the top seal of original radiator in a '91
>> Integra to begin to fail @ 23 years of use ?




You got that many years out of it before it started to leak? You got VERY
lucky.



>>
>> It is loosing radiator fluid about 8 oz ( .250 L) every 2-3 days but
>> not much more than that afterwards (slowly looses more but not
>> drastically)




You mean "losing" and "loses". "Loosing" and "looses" are not valid words.



>
> Does radiator brand matter ? Which to avoid ? I found numerous brands
> on web with price $ 56 - 218
>
> TOYO ? Koyo, denso, CSF, metrix, spectra , gpd, apdi etc..




Toyo, Koyo, and Denso should be good bets. There are other good ones. Stay
away from the cheapest.

When buying aftermarket, it's best to stay away from the Web entirely and
instead buy from a local jobber, the kind of place that supplies garages in
your area (NOT AutoZone, etc). Chances are very good that the first
aftermarket one you get will have some sort of defect and will need to be
exchanged. That gets expensive when buying off the Web, on account of
needing to ship the defective one back to the vendor at your own cost.
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Old 29 Oct 2014, 11:56 pm
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Default Re: Radiator prob '91 Integra ?

robb wrote:
> Is it typical for the top seal of original radiator in a '91 Integra
> to begin to fail @ 23 years of use ?
>
> It is loosing radiator fluid about 8 oz ( .250 L) every 2-3 days but not
> much more than that afterwards (slowly looses more but not drastically)
>
> No obvious drips/puddles or leaks underneath after driving .
>
> I noticed the Top seam around the radiator top is wetted with radiator
> fluid. It is original radiator and appears to be constructed with
> folded tabs holding the top on radiator. I am supposing that there is a
> rubber seal in the seam and is probably failing ??
>
> No chance of successfully fixing that ?
>
> So, if radiator is replaced what other work and replacement should be
> done at that same time since it looks like alot of stuff, hoses and
> such must be removed/disconnected.
>
> Thanks for any helpful advise,
> robb
>
>
> BTW
>
> is alt.autos.acura not used anymore ? looks like low traffic ? where
> have all the Acura-ians been displaced/moved to ?
>
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Hi,
Water pump as well while you are at it. Winter is coming. Or for
temporary fix, try sealer. That is lot of leak which is evaporting by
engine heat.

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Old 30 Oct 2014, 08:35 am
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Tony Hwang <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in news:2Gi4w.74688$lO7.56210@fx26.iad:


> Water pump as well while you are at it.




You do the water pump when you do the TIMING BELT, not the radiator.

And DO NOT use "sealer". That's a bad idea, especially when replacing the
rad is so easy on this vehicle.


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Old 30 Oct 2014, 08:58 am
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"Tegger" wrote in message news:XnsA3D5D251F8073tegger@208.90.168.18...

> "robb" <some@where.on.net> wrote in
> news:m2rh88$71g$1@adenine.netfront.net:
>
> >> "robb" wrote in message news:m2qpam$1q66$1@adenine.netfront.net...
> >> Is it typical for the top seal of original radiator in a '91
> >> Integra to begin to fail @ 23 years of use ?

>
> You got that many years out of it before it started to leak? You got VERY
> lucky.
>

Low miles (93k) ?
>
> >>
> >> It is loosing radiator fluid about 8 oz ( .250 L) every 2-3 days but
> >> not much more than that afterwards (slowly looses more but not
> >> drastically)

>
> You mean "losing" and "loses". "Loosing" and "looses" are not valid words.
>
> >
> > Does radiator brand matter ? Which to avoid ? I found numerous brands
> > on web with price $ 56 - 218
> >
> > TOYO ? Koyo, denso, CSF, metrix, spectra , gpd, apdi etc..

>
> Toyo, Koyo, and Denso should be good bets. There are other good ones. Stay
> away from the cheapest.
>
> When buying aftermarket, it's best to stay away from the Web entirely and
> instead buy from a local jobber, the kind of place that supplies garages
> in
> your area (NOT AutoZone, etc). Chances are very good that the first
> aftermarket one you get will have some sort of defect and will need to be
> exchanged. That gets expensive when buying off the Web, on account of
> needing to ship the defective one back to the vendor at your own cost.
>

Great.

Thank you for help.
robb


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Old 06 Nov 2014, 05:33 pm
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Default OT: Radiator prob '91 Integra ? Q ?

Tegger,

Glad to see you back in here.
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Old 06 Nov 2014, 06:08 pm
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Bob <tooslow42@yahoo.com> wrote in news:MPG.2ec5b348bc882c8a989cc6
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> Tegger,
>
> Glad to see you back in here.



I'm still around. Not much happening on Usenet these days, though.



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Old 07 Nov 2014, 01:43 am
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"Tegger" wrote in message news:XnsA3DDB8A607944tegger@208.90.168.18...

> Bob <tooslow42@yahoo.com> wrote in news:MPG.2ec5b348bc882c8a989cc6
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > Tegger,
> >
> > Glad to see you back in here.

>
>
> I'm still around. Not much happening on Usenet these days, though.
>


But where are the happening Acura places ?

I know some other news groups migrated to google groups or other forums but
that was a hassle to follow several different groups.
Not so easy as click/navigating a tree of news group names/threads etc.

BTW

I did purchase the radiator from what I had considered a reputable parts
house -- $150

I don't know how it worked out, they said Toyo or Denso radiator over the
phone. They had to bring it from warehouse to arrive at 4:30. They call and
I rush to pick it up just before closing at 5:30. When I open the box it
is METRIX and has two aluminum pipe elbows (at bottom) for the
transmission. Well i have manual don't need the transmission cooler. I call
the next morning to get one for MT and they say they can't get one without
the transmission cooler connections even with all the different brands they
can get (Toyo, denso, Metrix, etc). I could bring it back for refund or just
leave the dust covers on the transmission cooler connections and install it.

So , I Install and the METRIX . The dimensions are off in a few key
places, it is a good 1/4 inch ( 8 mm ) thicker than the factory denso on the
car and that was already tight with AC hoses. Also the bracket and fan
mount points are off enough to need some tweeking or just bad copy of the
denso.

robb


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Old 07 Nov 2014, 12:35 pm
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"robb" <some@where.on.net> wrote in
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>
> But where are the happening Acura places ?



I don't think there are any. Acura and Honda tend to get bunched together
under "Honda". There are a number of Honda Web boards.


>
>
> I did purchase the radiator from what I had considered a reputable
> parts house -- $150




That's about right.


>
> I don't know how it worked out, they said Toyo or Denso radiator
> over the phone. They had to bring it from warehouse to arrive at 4:30.
> They call and I rush to pick it up just before closing at 5:30. When
> I open the box it is METRIX





> and has two aluminum pipe elbows (at
> bottom) for the transmission. Well i have manual don't need the
> transmission cooler. I call the next morning to get one for MT and
> they say they can't get one without the transmission cooler
> connections even with all the different brands they can get (Toyo,
> denso, Metrix, etc). I could bring it back for refund or just leave
> the dust covers on the transmission cooler connections and install it.




The tiny production quantities of aftermarket parts don't allow for the
differentiation of MT and AT rads, or of single-core and dual-core rads. So
all that's available is AT with dual-core. Which is perfectly fine.

You can use a pair of snips to crush the cooler stubs. You want to snip a
little off the ends, so they're sort of crimped shut.



>
> So , I Install and the METRIX . The dimensions are off in a few key
> places, it is a good 1/4 inch ( 8 mm ) thicker than the factory denso
> on the car and that was already tight with AC hoses. Also the bracket
> and fan mount points are off enough to need some tweeking or just bad
> copy of the denso.
>



It'a aftermarket, so /poor/ fit is generally to be expected. But if it
plain /doesn't/ fit, then you really should ask for a different brand.

Occasionally there is need to bend up the top brackets to make them fit,
and maybe stack something under the bottom mounting studs to raise the rad
a bit.

Having said that, I have found that, generally, aftermarket rads do fit
surprisingly well, with little to no modification needed.

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