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Old 20 Sep 2014, 11:06 am
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Default 98 Integra w/ B18 transmission mount question

Hi all,

got a friend with a 98? I think? Integra. Two of the holes in the top of the transmission (which I believe is not the original, but is from a Type-R) where the mount bolts on are stripped out. I'm going to need to get a Helicoil kit for this and some bolts as two of the three are completely missing.

Can someone please tell me the thread and length of the bolts so I can fix this right? I'm pretty much a straight up Kraut burner guy so I haven't a clue. Fortunately it looks like I can get a straight shot on the holes...

thanks!

nate
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Old 22 Sep 2014, 08:23 pm
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On Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:06:03 AM UTC-4, n8n...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> got a friend with a 98? I think? Integra. Two of the holes in the top of the transmission (which I believe is not the original, but is from a Type-R) where the mount bolts on are stripped out. I'm going to need to get a Helicoil kit for this and some bolts as two of the three are completely missing.
>
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> Can someone please tell me the thread and length of the bolts so I can fix this right? I'm pretty much a straight up Kraut burner guy so I haven't a clue. Fortunately it looks like I can get a straight shot on the holes....
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> thanks!
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> nate


Bump...? Even if someone with a 2nd gen Integra could just take a picture of the area for me I'd appreciate it

nate
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Old 22 Sep 2014, 09:05 pm
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n8nagel@gmail.com wrote in
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> On Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:06:03 AM UTC-4, n8n...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> got a friend with a 98? I think? Integra. Two of the holes in the
>> top o

> f the transmission (which I believe is not the original, but is from a
> Type-R) where the mount bolts on are stripped out. I'm going to need
> to get a Helicoil kit for this and some bolts as two of the three are
> completely missing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone please tell me the thread and length of the bolts so I
>> can fi

> x this right? I'm pretty much a straight up Kraut burner guy so I
> haven't a clue. Fortunately it looks like I can get a straight shot
> on the holes...
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> nate

>
> Bump...? Even if someone with a 2nd gen Integra could just take a
> picture of the area for me I'd appreciate it
>





I don't have my old '91 Integra anymore, and this sort of info isn't in the
factory manuals. I would recommend that you obtain replacement bolts from
either the dealer or a wrecking yard.

However... My factory manual for that generation says you're supposed to
have two studs permanently in the tranny (nuts go on top of them) and one
bolt. The bolt goes in the middle hole. That you have /two/ open holes
suggests that somebody's done a mischief to the tranny.

I do have a tranny mount left over from my Integra. The design is a bit
different from yours. The one captive nut on this mount is M12 x 1.25.


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Old 23 Sep 2014, 08:04 pm
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If I posted a pic of what his stuff looks like now, you think you could tell me what's wrong? I believe he was told it was a non original trans, supposedly a type-r w/ LSD. It does have some ricey bits on it. I brain farted and forgot to pack my tap and die set so I don't have a thread gauge

We don't really care about originality but we do care about passing inspection and also actually being safe...

Thanks

Nate
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Old 23 Sep 2014, 08:35 pm
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n8nagel@gmail.com wrote in
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> If I posted a pic of what his stuff looks like now, you think you
> could tell me what's wrong?



Maybe. Try it.


> I believe he was told it was a non original trans, supposedly a type-r
> w/ LSD.



Give me the number on the tranny. The number will be on a flat pad milled
into the tranny housing below the distributor, outboard of the exhaust
manifold. The engine number will be right next to it on the block. The
numbers are often faint and covered with dirt. Wipe off if needed.

You're looking for a number something like "Y80-xxxxxxx", where the X-es
are numbers.

Also give me the first eight characters of the car's VIN number. There is
no personal information in those characters.



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Old 24 Sep 2014, 11:26 am
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On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:35:42 PM UTC-4, Tegger wrote:
> n8nagel@gmail.com wrote in
>
> news:fccc2a98-43b8-4a5c-8aa0-7abff5d3a77c@googlegroups.com:
>
>
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> > If I posted a pic of what his stuff looks like now, you think you

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> > could tell me what's wrong?

>
>
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> Maybe. Try it.


Mount:

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0rcvsl8b.jpg

On investigation the bolt/stud/whatever that is still there is also pulled out of the trans case as well, as it is slightly loose. However there is maybe a 1/4" (by feel) spacer or something between the metal of the mount and the boss on the trans. I'm assuming that I should measure that and stackwashers to duplicate that thickness if using bolts to secure the mount to the trans? On all three holes?

Is it also a correct assumption that those holes should have been threaded M12x1.25?

>
> > I believe he was told it was a non original trans, supposedly a type-r

>
> > w/ LSD.

>
>
>
>
>
> Give me the number on the tranny. The number will be on a flat pad milled
>
> into the tranny housing below the distributor, outboard of the exhaust
>
> manifold. The engine number will be right next to it on the block. The
>
> numbers are often faint and covered with dirt. Wipe off if needed.


I think I found it but it is not stamped into the trans, there was a green metal tag there that is now removed.

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...psho3hgu4k.jpg

I assume that this is where you wanted me to look?

Sorry about the grease, it has a typical Honda VC leak but we're working onthe actual safety issues first before addressing "cosmetics."

>
> You're looking for a number something like "Y80-xxxxxxx", where the X-es
>
> are numbers.
>
>
>
> Also give me the first eight characters of the car's VIN number. There is
>
> no personal information in those characters.



JH4DC436

Thanks! should have known that you would be the guy with the answers on this one.

nate
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Old 24 Sep 2014, 12:12 pm
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On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:26:23 AM UTC-4, n8n...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:35:42 PM UTC-4, Tegger wrote:
>
> > n8nagel@gmail.com wrote in

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> >

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> > news:fccc2a98-43b8-4a5c-8aa0-7abff5d3a77c@googlegroups.com:

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> >

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> >

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> > > If I posted a pic of what his stuff looks like now, you think you

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> > > could tell me what's wrong?

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> > Maybe. Try it.

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> Mount:
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> http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0rcvsl8b.jpg
>
>
>
> On investigation the bolt/stud/whatever that is still there is also pulled out of the trans case as well, as it is slightly loose. However there ismaybe a 1/4" (by feel) spacer or something between the metal of the mount and the boss on the trans. I'm assuming that I should measure that and stack washers to duplicate that thickness if using bolts to secure the mount to the trans? On all three holes?
>
>
>
> Is it also a correct assumption that those holes should have been threaded M12x1.25?
>
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> >

>
> > > I believe he was told it was a non original trans, supposedly a type-r

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> >

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> > > w/ LSD.

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > Give me the number on the tranny. The number will be on a flat pad milled

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> >

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> > into the tranny housing below the distributor, outboard of the exhaust

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> >

>
> > manifold. The engine number will be right next to it on the block. The

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> >

>
> > numbers are often faint and covered with dirt. Wipe off if needed.

>
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> I think I found it but it is not stamped into the trans, there was a green metal tag there that is now removed.
>
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>
> http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...psho3hgu4k.jpg
>
>
>
> I assume that this is where you wanted me to look?
>
>
>
> Sorry about the grease, it has a typical Honda VC leak but we're working on the actual safety issues first before addressing "cosmetics."
>
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>
> >

>
> > You're looking for a number something like "Y80-xxxxxxx", where the X-es

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> >

>
> > are numbers.

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > Also give me the first eight characters of the car's VIN number. There is

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> >

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> > no personal information in those characters.

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> JH4DC436
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>
> Thanks! should have known that you would be the guy with the answers on this one.
>
>
>
> nate


Follow up but unrelated question. Do you know where I could find stock ride height specs? He has coilovers and a camber kit on the rear but not on the front. We need to get him new tires and an alignment (the rear camber is way off, eating up the inside edges of his tires) but I'm not sure if with the coilovers all the way up we can get by without a front camber kit or not.

I've been searching online, but the Integra forums are a little disappointing to me technically, being used to the BMW/Porsche/VW world... question like that would typically be answered in minutes...

thanks,

nate
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Old 24 Sep 2014, 08:31 pm
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n8nagel@gmail.com wrote in
news:2f039cd9-16dc-4d40-86f2-98604346e604@googlegroups.com:


>
> Mount:
>
> http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...8/Integra/IMG_
> 20140924
> _110431_180_zps0rcvsl8b.jpg




That's an aftermarket mount. OE is black, not red, and OE has a lot more
substance to it..



>
> On investigation the bolt/stud/whatever that is still there is also
> pulled out of the trans case as well, as it is slightly loose.
> However there is maybe a 1/4" (by feel) spacer or something between
> the metal of the mount and the boss on the trans. I'm assuming that I
> should measure that and stack washers to duplicate that thickness if
> using bolts to secure the mount to the trans? On all three holes?




Bolts and nuts should be snug as-is, no washer-stack needed. Where the
photo shows a bolt there should be a stud and nut. There should be 2
studs with one bolt in the middle of them.

I think this tranny has been hacked-up a bit. Or maybe a lot.



>
> Is it also a correct assumption that those holes should have been
> threaded M12x1.25?




Yes. Finally found the necessary info in the Engine Removal/Installation
section. M12 x 1.25 for all. Length not given, however.





>
> I think I found it but it is not stamped into the trans, there was a
> green metal tag there that is now removed.




OK. Outboard of that, just outboard of the clutch actuating lever, there
is a white paper sticker with a barcode. I think I can just see that in
one of your photos. What are the first three characters? S80? Y80?
Other?



>
> Sorry about the grease, it has a typical Honda VC leak




It's more likely to be the cam plug, which is the big black round thing.
Or both. Or the aluminum cam-cap. Or all three.

Oil leaks are due to installers not knowing the correct technique. Do it
right, and it will stay leak-free for years.



>
> JH4DC436




DC4= Integra 3-door (hatch) with B18B1 (non-VTEC)
3= manual transmission
6= LS (midrange model) with sunroof.

Valve cover on this engine will have steps up-and-down going across from
left to right above the camshafts. If the cover is flat all the way
across, then it's either the incorrect engine or the incorrect valve
cover.


>
> Thanks! should have known that you would be the guy with the answers
> on this one.
>



I might not have all the answers, but I think I can supply some of them.


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Old 24 Sep 2014, 08:45 pm
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n8nagel@gmail.com wrote in
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>
> Follow up but unrelated question. Do you know where I could find
> stock ride height specs?




The manual says that from the floor to the peak of the roof (the highest
point in the middle), you should see 52.6". It's kind of clunky, but that's
all they give. It would be easier if they gave ground to bottom of rocker
panel flange, but no.

Also, "ground clearance" is given as 5.9", but that's probably to the
lowest point of whatever hangs down under the car; the manual does not
clarify. Given that the subject vehicle is filled with aftermarket garbage,
that 5.9" is probably meaningless now.





> He has coilovers and a camber kit on the
> rear but not on the front. We need to get him new tires and an
> alignment (the rear camber is way off, eating up the inside edges of
> his tires) but I'm not sure if with the coilovers all the way up we
> can get by without a front camber kit or not.




I really, really, don't get this Honda obsession with aftermarket
suspension. Every single car I have ever driven with "coilovers" has ridden
and handled worse than the OE setup. Everybody and his dog thinks he's a
race-car designer, and nobody actually is. Maybe your German crowd is good
at this, but I can tell you that the kids with Hondas are clueless.

Go to a wrecking yard, pull the OE dampers off one of their cars, and
you'll be 100% better off. Your tire-wear will return to normal, plus the
ride-height will be correct as well.


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Old 25 Sep 2014, 08:22 am
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On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:31:23 PM UTC-4, Tegger wrote:
> n8nagel@gmail.com wrote in
>
> news:2f039cd9-16dc-4d40-86f2-98604346e604@googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
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> >

>
> > Mount:

>
> >

>
> > http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...8/Integra/IMG_

>
> > 20140924

>
> > _110431_180_zps0rcvsl8b.jpg

>
> That's an aftermarket mount. OE is black, not red, and OE has a lot more
> substance to it..
>


Figured that... appears to be red polyurethane

> >
> > On investigation the bolt/stud/whatever that is still there is also
> > pulled out of the trans case as well, as it is slightly loose.
> > However there is maybe a 1/4" (by feel) spacer or something between
> > the metal of the mount and the boss on the trans. I'm assuming that I
> > should measure that and stack washers to duplicate that thickness if
> > using bolts to secure the mount to the trans? On all three holes?

>
> Bolts and nuts should be snug as-is, no washer-stack needed. Where the
> photo shows a bolt there should be a stud and nut. There should be 2
> studs with one bolt in the middle of them.
>
> I think this tranny has been hacked-up a bit. Or maybe a lot.
>


My guess is that coming from the west coast, the car may have a JDM trans in it. *shrug* we don't know who did most of the "work" on this car as he bought it as is. He at least made it across the country with it although now that he's settled in we'd not only like to get it to pass its safety inspection but also be reasonably safe and reliable, in case he ends up not replacing it any time soon.

As to the stud/bolt dichotomy, the one remaining fastener may very well be a shouldered stud - I will find out later today if I can steal some more lift time.

>
>
> > Is it also a correct assumption that those holes should have been
> > threaded M12x1.25?

>
> Yes. Finally found the necessary info in the Engine Removal/Installation
> section. M12 x 1.25 for all. Length not given, however.
>


Awesome, that is the really crucial thing that I need to know, so I can getthe right Helicoil kit (my master kit only goes up to 10mm) so I can fix the holes correctly. I can get that done today and then even if I don't usethe "right" hardware I can fudge something safe with bolts and washers.

> > I think I found it but it is not stamped into the trans, there was a
> > green metal tag there that is now removed.

>
>
> OK. Outboard of that, just outboard of the clutch actuating lever, there
> is a white paper sticker with a barcode. I think I can just see that in
> one of your photos. What are the first three characters? S80? Y80?
> Other?
>


I'll try to remember to follow up with that later. He'll be disappointed if it's not a LSD I'm sure :/

> > Sorry about the grease, it has a typical Honda VC leak

>
> It's more likely to be the cam plug, which is the big black round thing.
> Or both. Or the aluminum cam-cap. Or all three.
>
> Oil leaks are due to installers not knowing the correct technique. Do it
> right, and it will stay leak-free for years. \


If I do this job it'll likely be at my friend's shop where the shop foremanis an ex-Honda dealership tech; I've actually helped him do quite a few ofthese before as it appears to be a common issue. I think he usually recommends replacing some seals on the distributor at the same time as well.

>
> > JH4DC436

>
> DC4= Integra 3-door (hatch) with B18B1 (non-VTEC)
> 3= manual transmission
> 6= LS (midrange model) with sunroof.
>
> Valve cover on this engine will have steps up-and-down going across from
> left to right above the camshafts. If the cover is flat all the way
> across, then it's either the incorrect engine or the incorrect valve
> cover.


Memory a little fuzzy; all I recall is that it is non-VTEC and DOHC. I don't think anyone cares if it is the original engine or not at this point.

> >
> > Thanks! should have known that you would be the guy with the answers
> > on this one.

>
> I might not have all the answers, but I think I can supply some of them.


You've been very helpful, at the very least you've managed to confirm the thread pitch on the holes for me which is kind of mission critical, and I appreciate it.

nate
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