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Old 14 May 2013, 03:50 pm
tww1491
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Default Fuel Induction Service

It appears the dealer I use has decided that Fuel Induction service is
absolutely necessary in my 06 Accord (103k miles) and our 09 CRV (71k miles)
The response to my question -- how do you determine that -- was mileage and
age of the vehicle. In fact the inspection report includes a picture of
crudded up intake valve as proof and the explanation that ethanol is a key
factor in this occurring. Both vehicles are still running smoothly and
getting the gas mileage they have since bought new. In Googling this
service, I find the results seem to indicate it really is not necessary in
most cases -- just a dealer cash cow. Does anyone have any pro/con on this
issue.

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Old 14 May 2013, 04:22 pm
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tww1491 wrote:
> It appears the dealer I use has decided that Fuel Induction service is
> absolutely necessary in my 06 Accord (103k miles) and our 09 CRV (71k
> miles) The response to my question -- how do you determine that -- was
> mileage and age of the vehicle. In fact the inspection report includes a
> picture of crudded up intake valve as proof and the explanation that
> ethanol is a key factor in this occurring. Both vehicles are still
> running smoothly and getting the gas mileage they have since bought new.
> In Googling this service, I find the results seem to indicate it really
> is not necessary in most cases -- just a dealer cash cow. Does anyone
> have any pro/con on this issue.


Pros: Taking a shower before you smell is good
Cons: It costs money

I use to work at a shop with a Motovac FI cleaning machine. We used it
on cars that ran like crap, along with replacing cap/rotor/wires (if
equipped), spark plugs, air filter, and fuel filter, on cars with no
history of ANY preventative maintenance (black air filter, etc) before
attempting further diagnosis. We did this only with customer approval,
(after recommending just getting a new car that wasn't a giant POS).

Using it on a car that runs fine, gets proper gas mileage, has had all
manufacturer recommended maintenance, and is not setting any "lean
condition" codes in PCM memory seems unnecessary to me. (as I sit here
at a computer not seeing the actual cars).

GW
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Old 14 May 2013, 04:55 pm
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"tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in message
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> It appears the dealer I use has decided that Fuel Induction service is
> absolutely necessary in my 06 Accord (103k miles) and our 09 CRV (71k
> miles) The response to my question -- how do you determine that -- was
> mileage and age of the vehicle. In fact the inspection report includes a
> picture of crudded up intake valve as proof and the explanation that
> ethanol is a key factor in this occurring. Both vehicles are still
> running smoothly and getting the gas mileage they have since bought new.
> In Googling this service, I find the results seem to indicate it really is
> not necessary in most cases -- just a dealer cash cow. Does anyone have
> any pro/con on this issue.


The reference to the intake valve being curded suggest that a road trip with
sustained interstate highway speeds would do wonders.

Basically if it ain't broke don't fix it.



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Old 14 May 2013, 07:10 pm
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In article <hsxkt.8020$EN2.6728@newsfe15.iad>,
"tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:

> It appears the dealer I use has decided that Fuel Induction service is
> absolutely necessary


what the **** is THAT?
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Old 14 May 2013, 07:26 pm
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On 05/14/2013 01:50 PM, tww1491 wrote:
> It appears the dealer I use has decided that Fuel Induction service is
> absolutely necessary in my 06 Accord (103k miles) and our 09 CRV (71k
> miles) The response to my question -- how do you determine that -- was
> mileage and age of the vehicle. In fact the inspection report includes
> a picture of crudded up intake valve as proof and the explanation that
> ethanol is a key factor in this occurring. Both vehicles are still
> running smoothly and getting the gas mileage they have since bought
> new. In Googling this service, I find the results seem to indicate it
> really is not necessary in most cases -- just a dealer cash cow. Does
> anyone have any pro/con on this issue.


dealer cash cow. ignore.

if you really want to "do something", just buy a bottle of fuel injector
cleaner at your local supermarket and use that - will have the same effect.

there is however something to be said for buying decent quality
gasoline. it generally has both a better detergent package, and less
crud in the first place. that'll keep your valves cleaner. and as
another poster said, a sustained freeway run will do it a power of good too.


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Old 14 May 2013, 07:50 pm
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On 05/14/2013 05:10 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <hsxkt.8020$EN2.6728@newsfe15.iad>,
> "tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> It appears the dealer I use has decided that Fuel Induction service is
>> absolutely necessary

>
> what the **** is THAT?
>


"injection" typo i'm supposing.

o.t., and to the point about gasoline quality you often make, i had an
interesting experience recently. made a road trip, one i've made many
times before, with some sustained grades on it. i know the route, know
the best gas stations and know how the car performs along it. but this
time, i deviated a little and filled up with chevron before the longest
grade, which i don't normally do. omfg, what utter garbage. whenever
i've used chevron before, for normal driving, it's ok, with maybe the
gas mileage being a little low. but put on this occasion on this long
steep grade and the need for full power - it simply wouldn't pull. the
car normally cruises up a particular grade at 75 without flooring it
provided you get a decent run at it and provided you don't let the revs
drop below 3500. this time, i was pressing a dent in the boards, and
she just wouldn't go faster than 55. further into the route with
another sustained grade and back to my usual shell brand, the car was
back to normal and pulling like a champ.

maybe this was a one-off bad tank, but it was a dramatic difference. i
can't say i'm buying chevron any time again soon - supposed engine
cleaning ingredients or not.


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Old 15 May 2013, 02:54 am
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"tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in
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> It appears the dealer I use has decided that Fuel Induction service



Fuel INJECTION Service. Nobody induces fuel in his engine.


> is absolutely necessary in my 06 Accord (103k miles) and our 09 CRV
> (71k miles) The response to my question -- how do you determine that
> -- was mileage and age of the vehicle.



That's meaningless.



> In fact the inspection report includes a picture of crudded up intake
> valve as proof



ALL intake valves get crud on them. That's why gasoline has detergents, to
control the amount of crud.



> and the explanation that ethanol is a key factor in this occurring.




That's wrong. Intake deposits have been occurring since forever. In
fact, they were worse back when detergent levels were lower.



> Both vehicles are still running smoothly and getting the gas mileage
> they have since bought new.




Do you have a smog check in your area? If so, what are the cars'
numbers? If intake deposits are great enough to cause problems,
emissions will be the first to be affected.

Since both of your vehicles have OBD-II, serious emissions issues would
be flagged by the Check Engine light. I'm guessing yours is OFF.

How's your fuel trim (long and short)? That's a tell-tale for developing
problems.



> In Googling this service, I find the results seem to indicate it
> really is not necessary in most cases -- just a dealer cash cow. Does
> anyone have any pro/con on this issue.
>



Pro: Puts money in the dealer's wallet.
Con: Removes money from your wallet.

If the engine runs as it always has, gets the same mileage as it
always has, and emissions are normal, then the injection service is
unnecessary.


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Old 15 May 2013, 07:23 am
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message
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In article <hsxkt.8020$EN2.6728@newsfe15.iad>,
"tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:

> It appears the dealer I use has decided that Fuel Induction service is
> absolutely necessary


what the **** is THAT?

That's what they call it -- a fancy name for an old service I would guess.

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Old 15 May 2013, 07:29 am
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"Tegger" wrote in message news:XnsA1C127C57FC89tegger@208.90.168.18...

"tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in
news:hsxkt.8020$EN2.6728@newsfe15.iad:

> It appears the dealer I use has decided that Fuel Induction service



Fuel INJECTION Service. Nobody induces fuel in his engine.


> is absolutely necessary in my 06 Accord (103k miles) and our 09 CRV
> (71k miles) The response to my question -- how do you determine that
> -- was mileage and age of the vehicle.



That's meaningless.



> In fact the inspection report includes a picture of crudded up intake
> valve as proof



ALL intake valves get crud on them. That's why gasoline has detergents, to
control the amount of crud.



> and the explanation that ethanol is a key factor in this occurring.




That's wrong. Intake deposits have been occurring since forever. In
fact, they were worse back when detergent levels were lower.



> Both vehicles are still running smoothly and getting the gas mileage
> they have since bought new.




Do you have a smog check in your area? If so, what are the cars'
numbers? If intake deposits are great enough to cause problems,
emissions will be the first to be affected.

Since both of your vehicles have OBD-II, serious emissions issues would
be flagged by the Check Engine light. I'm guessing yours is OFF.

How's your fuel trim (long and short)? That's a tell-tale for developing
problems.



> In Googling this service, I find the results seem to indicate it
> really is not necessary in most cases -- just a dealer cash cow. Does
> anyone have any pro/con on this issue.
>



Pro: Puts money in the dealer's wallet.
Con: Removes money from your wallet.

If the engine runs as it always has, gets the same mileage as it
always has, and emissions are normal, then the injection service is
unnecessary.

That's my take here. BTW -- they label it Fuel/Air Induction service or
Fuel Induction service. The service advisor I dealt with this time was
positively insistent about doing and even called the mechanic out to "talk"
to me. This is a new approach by a dealer I have found to be pleasant to
deal with in the past and quite above board. We don't have smog checks in
this area.

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Old 15 May 2013, 07:31 am
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"jim beam" wrote in message news:kmukh2$han$5@dont-email.me...

On 05/14/2013 01:50 PM, tww1491 wrote:
> It appears the dealer I use has decided that Fuel Induction service is
> absolutely necessary in my 06 Accord (103k miles) and our 09 CRV (71k
> miles) The response to my question -- how do you determine that -- was
> mileage and age of the vehicle. In fact the inspection report includes
> a picture of crudded up intake valve as proof and the explanation that
> ethanol is a key factor in this occurring. Both vehicles are still
> running smoothly and getting the gas mileage they have since bought
> new. In Googling this service, I find the results seem to indicate it
> really is not necessary in most cases -- just a dealer cash cow. Does
> anyone have any pro/con on this issue.


dealer cash cow. ignore.

if you really want to "do something", just buy a bottle of fuel injector
cleaner at your local supermarket and use that - will have the same effect.

there is however something to be said for buying decent quality
gasoline. it generally has both a better detergent package, and less
crud in the first place. that'll keep your valves cleaner. and as
another poster said, a sustained freeway run will do it a power of good too.

I buy Shell as it seems to work the best. This "requirement" is a new
approach by a dealer I have found quite satisfactory in the past. Seems
like things are changing. Appreciate the comments -- validate what I have
been thinking all along.


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