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JRStern 13 Apr 2013 04:40 pm

Keyless breaking and entering
 
There was a news article this week about thieves with a magic device
that opens up keyless entry systems. Any word if that includes Honda?
I recall a TV detective show or two that discussed such things as
well.

But most of all, a couple of times now in the few months I've had my
Accord with this, I've come back to the car and found the door
unlocked. I try pretty hard to make sure it's locked before I walk
away, and don't recall having that problem with the key and remote
system anytime in the past six years.

Just wondering what the odds are of bogus unlockings of one sort or
another, with current technologies.


J.


Pawalleye 14 Apr 2013 03:39 pm

Re: Keyless breaking and entering
 
On 4/13/2013 3:40 PM, JRStern wrote:
> There was a news article this week about thieves with a magic device
> that opens up keyless entry systems. Any word if that includes Honda?
> I recall a TV detective show or two that discussed such things as
> well.
>
> But most of all, a couple of times now in the few months I've had my
> Accord with this, I've come back to the car and found the door
> unlocked. I try pretty hard to make sure it's locked before I walk
> away, and don't recall having that problem with the key and remote
> system anytime in the past six years.
>
> Just wondering what the odds are of bogus unlockings of one sort or
> another, with current technologies.
>
>
> J.
>

I am guessing that it would include any car with keyless entry. I think
that all keyless entry systems are based on KeeLoq and that can be hacked.

Rick

JRStern 14 Apr 2013 08:52 pm

Re: Keyless breaking and entering
 
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 14:39:47 -0500, Pawalleye <pawalleye@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 4/13/2013 3:40 PM, JRStern wrote:
>> There was a news article this week about thieves with a magic device
>> that opens up keyless entry systems. Any word if that includes Honda?
>> I recall a TV detective show or two that discussed such things as
>> well.
>>
>> But most of all, a couple of times now in the few months I've had my
>> Accord with this, I've come back to the car and found the door
>> unlocked. I try pretty hard to make sure it's locked before I walk
>> away, and don't recall having that problem with the key and remote
>> system anytime in the past six years.
>>
>> Just wondering what the odds are of bogus unlockings of one sort or
>> another, with current technologies.
>>
>>
>> J.
>>

>I am guessing that it would include any car with keyless entry. I think
>that all keyless entry systems are based on KeeLoq and that can be hacked.


What about accidental unlockings rather than hacking?

J.


>
>Rick



Pawalleye 15 Apr 2013 03:00 pm

Re: Keyless breaking and entering
 
On 4/14/2013 7:52 PM, JRStern wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 14:39:47 -0500, Pawalleye <pawalleye@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/13/2013 3:40 PM, JRStern wrote:
>>> There was a news article this week about thieves with a magic device
>>> that opens up keyless entry systems. Any word if that includes Honda?
>>> I recall a TV detective show or two that discussed such things as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> But most of all, a couple of times now in the few months I've had my
>>> Accord with this, I've come back to the car and found the door
>>> unlocked. I try pretty hard to make sure it's locked before I walk
>>> away, and don't recall having that problem with the key and remote
>>> system anytime in the past six years.
>>>
>>> Just wondering what the odds are of bogus unlockings of one sort or
>>> another, with current technologies.
>>>
>>>
>>> J.
>>>

>> I am guessing that it would include any car with keyless entry. I think
>> that all keyless entry systems are based on KeeLoq and that can be hacked.

>
> What about accidental unlockings rather than hacking?
>
> J.
>
>
>>
>> Rick

>

It looked to me that all the break ins occurred through the on board
computer port at least in the BMW's I do know that if a third party
alarm is installed it can not be hacked. If one leaves the vehicle
un-locked it guess it would be a problem.

R.

JRStern 15 Apr 2013 09:22 pm

Re: Keyless breaking and entering
 
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:00:32 -0500, Pawalleye <pawalleye@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 4/14/2013 7:52 PM, JRStern wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 14:39:47 -0500, Pawalleye <pawalleye@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/13/2013 3:40 PM, JRStern wrote:
>>>> There was a news article this week about thieves with a magic device
>>>> that opens up keyless entry systems. Any word if that includes Honda?
>>>> I recall a TV detective show or two that discussed such things as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> But most of all, a couple of times now in the few months I've had my
>>>> Accord with this, I've come back to the car and found the door
>>>> unlocked. I try pretty hard to make sure it's locked before I walk
>>>> away, and don't recall having that problem with the key and remote
>>>> system anytime in the past six years.
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering what the odds are of bogus unlockings of one sort or
>>>> another, with current technologies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> J.
>>>>
>>> I am guessing that it would include any car with keyless entry. I think
>>> that all keyless entry systems are based on KeeLoq and that can be hacked.

>>
>> What about accidental unlockings rather than hacking?
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Rick

>>

>It looked to me that all the break ins occurred through the on board
>computer port at least in the BMW's I do know that if a third party
>alarm is installed it can not be hacked. If one leaves the vehicle
>un-locked it guess it would be a problem.
>
>R.


I'm at least a little worried that where I keep the key indoors is
close enough to the car, parked in an accessible front space, that
anyone walking up to it and grabbing the handle, might get in. I ran
some tests and this did not seem to be the case.

FWIW that's about three floors up and 100 feet away from the car, with
walls and pipes and furniture and stuff between.

Not to mention false positives from other fobs and innocent devices.

J.



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