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Old 24 Dec 2012, 06:40 am
Bob
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Default New Accord

Hello,

Son is considering a 2013 Accord.

I see that they have gone to a CVT transmission.
First time, I think.

Haven't been out for long, but anything to be concerned about re
reliability, etc ? Something new is always a bit apprehensive.

Do they come with different brand of tires depending upon part of the
country, or just randomness, or do they use only one brand ?

Supposedly "All-Weather"

Decent all-weather for New England driving, or must one switch to
something else as soon as possible ?

Any general thoughts on options, trim level, etc. worth considering,
would be much appreciated.

Happy Holidays,

B.
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Old 24 Dec 2012, 08:37 am
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On 12/24/2012 4:40 AM, Bob wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Son is considering a 2013 Accord.
>
> I see that they have gone to a CVT transmission.


The only automatic on the I4 is the CVT. The V6 still has the six speed
automatic.

I'd be extremely wary of buying the first year of a new Honda
transmission design given the Accord's long history of transmission
problems. Perhaps your son should consider one of the remaining 2012
Accords.
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Old 24 Dec 2012, 10:44 am
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On 12/24/2012 06:37 AM, SMS wrote:
> On 12/24/2012 4:40 AM, Bob wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Son is considering a 2013 Accord.
>>
>> I see that they have gone to a CVT transmission.

>
> The only automatic on the I4 is the CVT. The V6 still has the six speed
> automatic.
>
> I'd be extremely wary of buying the first year of a new Honda
> transmission design given the Accord's long history of transmission
> problems. Perhaps your son should consider one of the remaining 2012
> Accords.


it's only first year in the u.s. honda, along with many other
manufacturers, including g.m and frod, have been using cvt's in other
markets for nearly 20 years.


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Old 24 Dec 2012, 10:52 am
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Default Re: New Accord

On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:40:02 -0500, Bob <rgsros@notme.invalid> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Son is considering a 2013 Accord.


I've got one!


>I see that they have gone to a CVT transmission.
>First time, I think.
>
>Haven't been out for long, but anything to be concerned about re
>reliability, etc ? Something new is always a bit apprehensive.


Yes, but on the other hand Honda has experience swapping out thousands
of transmissions, even beyond the warranty period, when they mess up.

I'm happy with the CVT so far. It's not perfect, but it's far better
than the auto trannies they've been making for the past ten, fifteen
years.

>Do they come with different brand of tires depending upon part of the
>country, or just randomness, or do they use only one brand ?
>
>Supposedly "All-Weather"
>
>Decent all-weather for New England driving, or must one switch to
>something else as soon as possible ?


Dunno. Of course the dealer can always accomodate you.

>Any general thoughts on options, trim level, etc. worth considering,
>would be much appreciated.


I went crazy and got the EXL, four cylinder. Part of the reason is I
wanted to try out the new gimcracks, the Forward Collision Warning and
the Lane Departure Warning robots (I guess all the models now have
backup camera?). I've posted about these, they are Not Ready For Prime
Time, they give a LOT of false warnings - but they are not obtrusive,
and I find them entertaining in a geek way. Maybe it's worth the
false warnings as long as they also warn when *really* needed.

One note: on the mileage, overall it really is improved from last
year, at least 10% better. The BIG improvement seems to be at freeway
speeds. However, in stop and go traffic the mileage is WORSE, the car
can have trouble getting even 20mpg.

Still, overall, I'm enjoying the car more than the last several Hondas
I've owned. I like the new front suspension! I like the keyless
entry and push-button start. I like the exterior appearance,
especially the 2012 was getting pretty mucked up, and 2013 is the best
the car has looked in several models.

I recommend the blue or red colors!

I'm still curious about the price, the only advertised specials
they've run so far are on the LX - which is much more feature-rich
than in the past, it has almost everything you'd want anyway. I had
to dicker with the dealer to get a reasonable price and I *think* I
did OK, but I'm still waiting to see the first advertised special on
the EXL to confirm it.

J.


>Happy Holidays,
>
>B.


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Old 24 Dec 2012, 12:33 pm
Howard Lester
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"JRStern" wrote

> I went crazy and got the EXL, four cylinder. Part of the reason is I
> wanted to try out the new gimcracks, the Forward Collision Warning and
> the Lane Departure Warning robots (I guess all the models now have
> backup camera?). I've posted about these, they are Not Ready For Prime
> Time, they give a LOT of false warnings - but they are not obtrusive,
> and I find them entertaining in a geek way. Maybe it's worth the
> false warnings as long as they also warn when *really* needed.


I read the manual online and saw that you can adjust the distance? settings
for the FCW. Have you tried that?

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Old 24 Dec 2012, 12:56 pm
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:33:03 -0500, "Howard Lester"
<howardxtlester@verizon.net> wrote:

>"JRStern" wrote
>
>> I went crazy and got the EXL, four cylinder. Part of the reason is I
>> wanted to try out the new gimcracks, the Forward Collision Warning and
>> the Lane Departure Warning robots (I guess all the models now have
>> backup camera?). I've posted about these, they are Not Ready For Prime
>> Time, they give a LOT of false warnings - but they are not obtrusive,
>> and I find them entertaining in a geek way. Maybe it's worth the
>> false warnings as long as they also warn when *really* needed.

>
>I read the manual online and saw that you can adjust the distance? settings
>for the FCW. Have you tried that?


Interesting, I didn't know that, haven't tried it, thanks.

.... but I'm not sure what to do with it, actually, I think it really
needs to be a two-phase with an earlier warning and a later panic
mode. As it is, if I make it longer I'll get really too many false
positives, and if I make it shorter I can't react fast enough when I
hear it. So I'm strongly tempted to leave it alone.

Also just this last week, was finding that long shadows crossing the
road seem to confuse it, cause false positives as you drive across the
shadow of a bare tree or telephone pole.

J.


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Old 24 Dec 2012, 01:59 pm
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:56:16 -0800, JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid>
wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:33:03 -0500, "Howard Lester"
><howardxtlester@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>"JRStern" wrote
>>
>>> I went crazy and got the EXL, four cylinder. Part of the reason is I
>>> wanted to try out the new gimcracks, the Forward Collision Warning and
>>> the Lane Departure Warning robots (I guess all the models now have
>>> backup camera?). I've posted about these, they are Not Ready For Prime
>>> Time, they give a LOT of false warnings - but they are not obtrusive,
>>> and I find them entertaining in a geek way. Maybe it's worth the
>>> false warnings as long as they also warn when *really* needed.

>>
>>I read the manual online and saw that you can adjust the distance? settings
>>for the FCW. Have you tried that?

>
>Interesting, I didn't know that, haven't tried it, thanks.
>
>... but I'm not sure what to do with it, actually, I think it really
>needs to be a two-phase with an earlier warning and a later panic
>mode. As it is, if I make it longer I'll get really too many false
>positives, and if I make it shorter I can't react fast enough when I
>hear it. So I'm strongly tempted to leave it alone.


Actually, I think it needs further "smarts", if my foot is already off
the gas it might want to hold off another fraction, I think it *does*
notice if my foot is already on the brake. Frankly I wish they'd
publish the whole algorithm. If something jumps in front of me, and I
mash the brake and the antilock is firing and I am just about to slide
into something at 30mph anyway, does it still give me a warning?

I hope not - and I think not, and I hope I never find out, except by
looking at the algorithm.


>
>Also just this last week, was finding that long shadows crossing the
>road seem to confuse it, cause false positives as you drive across the
>shadow of a bare tree or telephone pole.
>
>J.
>


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Old 24 Dec 2012, 03:52 pm
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On 12/24/2012 8:52 AM, JRStern wrote:

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> Yes, but on the other hand Honda has experience swapping out thousands
> of transmissions, even beyond the warranty period, when they mess up.


LOL, that's true, but they fought doing this for as long as they could.

I'd be very concerned about buying the first year of a new transmission
on any vehicle, but especially on a Honda given their history of
transmission problems. A CVT could be more reliable but it won't be
possible to know that for long time. OTOH, if you only keep vehicles for
five years or so there's probably little down side.

I expect to keep vehicles for 15 years. Currently we have a 16 year old
Camry, an 11 year old 4Runner, and a 5 year old Camry. They have been
far more reliable than the collection of Hondas that my family and my
extended family have owned and currently own. The Honda problems are
mostly related to the transmissions, but there have been engine issues
as well.

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Old 24 Dec 2012, 05:36 pm
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:52:51 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 12/24/2012 8:52 AM, JRStern wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Yes, but on the other hand Honda has experience swapping out thousands
>> of transmissions, even beyond the warranty period, when they mess up.

>
>LOL, that's true, but they fought doing this for as long as they could.
>
>I'd be very concerned about buying the first year of a new transmission
>on any vehicle, but especially on a Honda given their history of
>transmission problems. A CVT could be more reliable but it won't be
>possible to know that for long time. OTOH, if you only keep vehicles for
>five years or so there's probably little down side.
>
>I expect to keep vehicles for 15 years. Currently we have a 16 year old
>Camry, an 11 year old 4Runner, and a 5 year old Camry. They have been
>far more reliable than the collection of Hondas that my family and my
>extended family have owned and currently own. The Honda problems are
>mostly related to the transmissions, but there have been engine issues
>as well.


I don't know if this matters but I had a '91 Accord 4cyl auto (bought
new) and with only 90,000+ miles the transmission was slipping. I
hated to trade it in but the cost to fix was greater than the value of
the car (approx 12+ yrs old) so I traded it in. It was a good car
till the trans was slipping. In fairness tho, this car did a lot of
stop and go driving which I believe is harder on the trans but it was
well cared for.
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Old 24 Dec 2012, 06:13 pm
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On 12/24/2012 03:36 PM, Observer wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:52:51 -0800, SMS<scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/24/2012 8:52 AM, JRStern wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Yes, but on the other hand Honda has experience swapping out thousands
>>> of transmissions, even beyond the warranty period, when they mess up.

>>
>> LOL, that's true, but they fought doing this for as long as they could.
>>
>> I'd be very concerned about buying the first year of a new transmission
>> on any vehicle, but especially on a Honda given their history of
>> transmission problems. A CVT could be more reliable but it won't be
>> possible to know that for long time. OTOH, if you only keep vehicles for
>> five years or so there's probably little down side.
>>
>> I expect to keep vehicles for 15 years. Currently we have a 16 year old
>> Camry, an 11 year old 4Runner, and a 5 year old Camry. They have been
>> far more reliable than the collection of Hondas that my family and my
>> extended family have owned and currently own. The Honda problems are
>> mostly related to the transmissions, but there have been engine issues
>> as well.

>
> I don't know if this matters but I had a '91 Accord 4cyl auto (bought
> new) and with only 90,000+ miles the transmission was slipping. I
> hated to trade it in but the cost to fix was greater than the value of
> the car (approx 12+ yrs old) so I traded it in. It was a good car
> till the trans was slipping. In fairness tho, this car did a lot of
> stop and go driving which I believe is harder on the trans but it was
> well cared for.


what gear was it slipping in? too late now of course, but there's a
common issue with torque converter lock-up. if the engine computer
doesn't get a good connection on the gear selector switch, it doesn't
activate lock-up and that can feel like slipping. the solution is to
remove, clean and re-grease the selector switch contacts - the
transmission works as good as new after that.


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