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Old 04 Dec 2012, 01:27 pm
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Default Driving through a puddle stops engine

A while back as I was driving through a 2" deep puddle on a rainy night
at about 25 mph, the engine of my '94 Accord suddenly stopped as if I
removed the ignition key. Before I got out of the car I tried to start
up the engine again and after some labored cranking it came alive and I
was able to slowly clear the puddle. Then I was able to drive home and
never had a similar incident again. True, I never hit a similar puddle,
either, but I still wonder what could have caused it when the car's
electrical parts are pretty well insulated from street water splashes
under the car. So I wonder how common such incidents with Hondas are and
what could the most common cause be. Any of you experienced it, too?
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Old 04 Dec 2012, 05:09 pm
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cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote in news:k9lir6$5gs$1@dont-email.me:

> A while back as I was driving through a 2" deep puddle on a rainy night
> at about 25 mph, the engine of my '94 Accord suddenly stopped as if I
> removed the ignition key. Before I got out of the car I tried to start
> up the engine again and after some labored cranking it came alive and I
> was able to slowly clear the puddle. Then I was able to drive home and
> never had a similar incident again. True, I never hit a similar puddle,
> either, but I still wonder what could have caused it when the car's
> electrical parts are pretty well insulated from street water splashes
> under the car. So I wonder how common such incidents with Hondas are and
> what could the most common cause be. Any of you experienced it, too?
>



Your plugs, wires, distributor cap, and rotor are probably ancient. Replace
them.

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Old 04 Dec 2012, 05:20 pm
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 23:09:03 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.com>
wrote:

>cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote in news:k9lir6$5gs$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> A while back as I was driving through a 2" deep puddle on a rainy night
>> at about 25 mph, the engine of my '94 Accord suddenly stopped as if I
>> removed the ignition key. Before I got out of the car I tried to start
>> up the engine again and after some labored cranking it came alive and I
>> was able to slowly clear the puddle. Then I was able to drive home and
>> never had a similar incident again. True, I never hit a similar puddle,
>> either, but I still wonder what could have caused it when the car's
>> electrical parts are pretty well insulated from street water splashes
>> under the car. So I wonder how common such incidents with Hondas are and
>> what could the most common cause be. Any of you experienced it, too?
>>

>
>
>Your plugs, wires, distributor cap, and rotor are probably ancient. Replace
>them.


Never experienced it, not in a Honda nor in any other car I can
recall.

My guess would be Tegger is right.

OTOH - does a 94 still have a distributor? I don't think so. I
thought my '87 was about the last one that did. For that matter how
about a carburetor?

Or maybe it was pure chance, wouldn't panic about it until it happened
at least twice so you at least get some more clues.

J.

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Old 04 Dec 2012, 06:18 pm
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JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote in
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>
> OTOH - does a 94 still have a distributor? I don't think so.




It assuredly does. It wasn't until the 2000s that Honda went to coil-over-
plug.



> I
> thought my '87 was about the last one that did. For that matter how
> about a carburetor?




'89 was the last year for carburetors in North America. Other parts of the
world with less-strangling emissions controls retained carbs for many more
years, and some may have them still.


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Old 04 Dec 2012, 07:25 pm
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On 12/4/2012 3:09 PM, Tegger wrote:
> Your plugs, wires, distributor cap, and rotor are probably ancient. Replace
> them.
>

I've had those replaced since then as part of regular maintenance but I
still find it hard to imagine how water could get that far up from the
wheel wells. Could something like this be also caused by cold water
induced thermal shock to the cat oxigen sensor? Or maybe water in the
air filter?

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Old 05 Dec 2012, 12:02 am
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 00:18:09 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.com>
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>JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote in
>news:q41tb8tc3vqn6tdnf81ku8e560tstu8802@4ax.com :
>
>
>>
>> OTOH - does a 94 still have a distributor? I don't think so.

>
>It assuredly does. It wasn't until the 2000s that Honda went to coil-over-
>plug.


With rotor? Which I assume means points?


>> I
>> thought my '87 was about the last one that did. For that matter how
>> about a carburetor?

>
>'89 was the last year for carburetors in North America. Other parts of the
>world with less-strangling emissions controls retained carbs for many more
>years, and some may have them still.


I'd be mildly surprised at anything north of a lawnmower that still
used a carb over throttle-body injection.

J.

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Old 05 Dec 2012, 12:03 am
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On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 17:25:33 -0800, cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid>
wrote:

>On 12/4/2012 3:09 PM, Tegger wrote:
>> Your plugs, wires, distributor cap, and rotor are probably ancient. Replace
>> them.
>>

>I've had those replaced since then as part of regular maintenance but I
>still find it hard to imagine how water could get that far up from the
>wheel wells. Could something like this be also caused by cold water
>induced thermal shock to the cat oxigen sensor? Or maybe water in the
>air filter?


That's more likely but it would take more than two inches of water.

J.


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Old 05 Dec 2012, 02:28 pm
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"cameo" wrote in message news:k9lir6$5gs$1@dont-email.me...

A while back as I was driving through a 2" deep puddle on a rainy night
at about 25 mph, the engine of my '94 Accord suddenly stopped as if I
removed the ignition key. Before I got out of the car I tried to start
up the engine again and after some labored cranking it came alive and I
was able to slowly clear the puddle. Then I was able to drive home and
never had a similar incident again. True, I never hit a similar puddle,
either, but I still wonder what could have caused it when the car's
electrical parts are pretty well insulated from street water splashes
under the car. So I wonder how common such incidents with Hondas are and
what could the most common cause be. Any of you experienced it, too?

Only car I had where I experienced a "drown-out" was a 1964 Jaguar XKE. The
distributor was located at the lower right front part of the engine - behind
the radiator. The solution was to wrap it in a "baggy" or avoid driving it
in a downpour. Never had a problem in any Honda.

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Old 05 Dec 2012, 07:19 pm
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JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote in
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> On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 00:18:09 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>>JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote in
>>news:q41tb8tc3vqn6tdnf81ku8e560tstu8802@4ax.co m:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> OTOH - does a 94 still have a distributor? I don't think so.

>>
>>It assuredly does. It wasn't until the 2000s that Honda went to
>>coil-over- plug.

>
> With rotor? Which I assume means points?




Even distributors with breaker points had a rotor. No North American
automobile engine has been equipped with breaker points since about 1976.


>
> I'd be mildly surprised at anything north of a lawnmower that still
> used a carb over throttle-body injection.
>



Not me. Injection is a LOT more complex, expensive, and troublesome than a
mechanical carburetor. I understand that many aircraft piston-engines still
come with carbs. Even the EPA seems to realize that saving the Snail Darter
fish takes a back seat to human beings falling out of the sky to their
deaths, and has not saddled airplanes with the same sorts of nonsense that
they have visited upon automobiles.


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Old 05 Dec 2012, 07:20 pm
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cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote in news:k9m7ps$st6$1@dont-email.me:

> On 12/4/2012 3:09 PM, Tegger wrote:
>> Your plugs, wires, distributor cap, and rotor are probably ancient.
>> Replace them.
>>

> I've had those replaced since then as part of regular maintenance



How long ago, exactly?


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