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Old 15 Nov 2012, 11:49 am
JRStern
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Default Front warning collision starting to bug me

This just repeats and expands what I said about it earlier, it seems
to fire at just the wrong time.

Over the last week I've had it fire two or three more times. I think
that each time, my foot was off the gas and headed for the brake, when
the warning beeps began. In no case was I about to mash the brake,
but simply slow down a bit to maintain clearance or initiate a small
turn. If it had been critical, the mental time to process the beep
and start to move my foot would not have been sufficient. In fact, it
is DISTRACTING when it fires at just the wrong time like this.

Now, as I've said before, maybe this is the cost of having it fire
when I really DO need it - but it seems it is going to be too late in
that case.

I'd suggest something like making it more sensitive and giving a
pre-warning, perhaps a simple yellow light, about a second earlier
than present, and then making the real warning about a tenth of a
second later - and optionally letting it apply a 10% automatic braking
as well.

I guess they'd have to add a radar or sonar or something more precise
before ever letting it apply 100% braking, I don't think the current
warning system can accurately judge an imminent collision and panic
situation.

One scenario seems to be when you're in city traffic at 30mph or so,
and you start to close on the car ahead, which is still moving. Your
closing speed is only about 2mph, and suddenly the collision warning
is acting like a tailgate warning, which is a different thing.
There's a LOT of tailgating going on in such urban situations, I can
have more spacing in front of me than anyone else in sight, and then
this silly buzzer goes off? And if you allow more space it invites
lane changers to cut in and eat the space, which is I guess why
everyone tailgates.

J.

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Old 15 Nov 2012, 06:50 pm
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"JRStern" wrote

> This just repeats and expands what I said about it earlier, it seems
> to fire at just the wrong time.


Sorry you're having to be the newsgroup's guinea pig on the new Accord's
features. What you describe confirms my someday-choice of the EX rather than
the EX-L.

Slightly off topic, how do you like the Lane Watch feature? That assumes you
use your turn signals.... ;-)

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Old 15 Nov 2012, 07:21 pm
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On 11/15/12 7:50 PM, Howard Lester wrote:
> "JRStern" wrote
>
>> This just repeats and expands what I said about it earlier, it seems
>> to fire at just the wrong time.

>
> Sorry you're having to be the newsgroup's guinea pig on the new Accord's
> features. What you describe confirms my someday-choice of the EX rather
> than the EX-L.
>
> Slightly off topic, how do you like the Lane Watch feature? That assumes
> you use your turn signals.... ;-)


What, and give up planting your ass on rich Corinthian leather?

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these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Old 15 Nov 2012, 07:32 pm
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William Ockham <williamockham@nospam.net> wrote in news:k844fd$3ff$1
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>
> What, and give up planting your ass on rich Corinthian leather?
>




No, that's REECH Corinthian leather.

And a bit of trivia I read once: Ricardo Montalban almost didn't to do
those commercials for Chrysler on two grounds:
1) there's no such thing as "Corinthian leather", and
2) the script had him pronouncing "Cordoba" incorrectly.

He did it anyway.

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Old 15 Nov 2012, 07:38 pm
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JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote in
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> This just repeats and expands what I said about it earlier, it seems
> to fire at just the wrong time.




Human brain: 1
Artifical devices: 0

There's still no substitute for the flexible, creative, innovative human
brain, paying attention.


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Old 15 Nov 2012, 09:43 pm
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:50:31 -0500, "Howard Lester"
<howardxtlester@verizon.net> wrote:

>"JRStern" wrote
>
>> This just repeats and expands what I said about it earlier, it seems
>> to fire at just the wrong time.

>
>Sorry you're having to be the newsgroup's guinea pig on the new Accord's
>features. What you describe confirms my someday-choice of the EX rather than
>the EX-L.
>
>Slightly off topic, how do you like the Lane Watch feature? That assumes you
>use your turn signals.... ;-)


I'm not even sure what it does, besides put a picture on the screen
when you signal right. I found it distracting at first and still do,
but at least it doesn't confuse me anymore. Is it even supposed to
beep if it sees something in your blind spot? I'm not sure. I think
I got a warning out of it once, and as best I can figure it was
because there was a telephone pole too close to the corner!

I was debating the EXL just for the leather seats anyway (and for the
silver door handles but now everybody gets those!), but I also like
the turn indicators on the mirrors. The electronic gee-gaws were a
bonus, I wanted to try them out of curiosity at least anyway.

Since I bought the EXL without there being any deal on it I probably
didn't get the best price (though I think I got pretty close to the
minimum it was going to take to get the car off the lot at this time),
and I'm curious what the real discounts on the EXL are going to look
like as the year goes on. The jump from EX to EXL seemed a little
steeper than usual, maybe cuz of the new robots, that's what I'm
curious about, I mean how much can the indicators on the mirrors
really cost?

J.

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Old 16 Nov 2012, 12:11 pm
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"Tegger" wrote

> William Ockham <williamockham@nospam.net> wrote in news:k844fd$3ff$1
> @news.albasani.net:
>>
>> What, and give up planting your ass on rich Corinthian leather?



> No, that's REECH Corinthian leather.
>
> And a bit of trivia I read once: Ricardo Montalban almost didn't to do
> those commercials for Chrysler on two grounds:
> 1) there's no such thing as "Corinthian leather", and
> 2) the script had him pronouncing "Cordoba" incorrectly.


:-) He was on David Letterman telling about there being no such thing as
"Corinthian leather." He went on to tell a story about him driving in LA
with the top down, and stopped at a light. A car pulls up along side and the
driver yells out, "Hey Ricardo! Have you driven a Ford lately??"

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Old 18 Nov 2012, 01:51 pm
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"Tegger" wrote in message news:XnsA10CD213352B2tegger@208.90.168.18...

JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote in
news:us9aa89r316chioitcjb5k6imlrhelm6fv@4ax.com:

> This just repeats and expands what I said about it earlier, it seems
> to fire at just the wrong time.




Human brain: 1
Artifical devices: 0

There's still no substitute for the flexible, creative, innovative human
brain, paying attention.


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Tegger

There's no substitute for paying attention. People should drive their cars.
The devices provide built-in crutches and an excuse for inattentive drivers
to pay even less attention. I am very much against them.

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Old 18 Nov 2012, 04:33 pm
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On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:51:37 -0500, "MG" <rebore78052@mypacks.net>
wrote:

>
>
>"Tegger" wrote in message news:XnsA10CD213352B2tegger@208.90.168.18...
>
>JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote in
>news:us9aa89r316chioitcjb5k6imlrhelm6fv@4ax.com :
>
>> This just repeats and expands what I said about it earlier, it seems
>> to fire at just the wrong time.

>
>
>
>Human brain: 1
>Artifical devices: 0
>
>There's still no substitute for the flexible, creative, innovative human
>brain, paying attention.



The operative word is "still".

These things are just toys, for now. When I can get in the back seat
and snooze and let the car drive, I hope they work a LOT better. And
I guess they will, in twenty years or so for the average consumer.

--

I'm mildly liking the lane change warning, it helps you to remember to
use the turn signal! But it also has a lot of false positives,
approaching curves with solid lines painted on the right seem to
confuse it at least 50% of the time.

But the front collison warning (hey not warning collision, whatever)
needs work, even as a novelty. I got a couple more activations now,
and I have to stop and think, "WTF is it trying to tell me now?", and
even one or two false negatives, when someone cuts in front of me and
it doesn't go off but probably should. It clearly needs two or three
warning levels, and needs to see if you are cruising, accelerating,
coasting, or have the brakes on. It may already look at the brake,
I'm not sure. Nice if they would tell us. I may write Honda a letter
and see if they will reveal the logic ... probably not though, cuz
then people would criticize them either for the logic, or if it failed
in some case. Safer corporate-wise to just say nothing. Bastids.

J.

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