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Old 22 Oct 2012, 05:41 pm
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Default Accord 2013 mileage - yes and no

Been driving my Accord 2013 EXL for a couple of weeks now, that's with
the four-cylinder engine and the CVT transmission. Also comes with a
handy instantaneous and trip mileage indicator, first time I've had
that (and about time). I haven't even filled the tank up yet, have
been driving sparingly the last few weeks. But here are a few
observations.

The rated mileage is supposed to be something like 27/36, up from last
model's 23/34, or thereabouts. Problem was on the old model I never
got more than 30 mpg on a tank, even with over 90% unobstructed
freeway driving. And worse, around town (or in stop-and-go) it was a
dog, often getting under 22 mpg. So I had high hopes for the new one.

Have they been met? Yes and no.

It was not yet a full tank test, but on a 100 mile freeway round trip
the indicated aggregate mileage was over 33. Assuming the indicator
is accurate, that's more than 10% better than the previous model.
Cruising at 70-80mph, the mileage is better yet.

On the other hand, around town the new model is no better - and may be
worse. If you miss a couple of lights, the aggregate drifts below 20
mpg. Ouch.

FWIW, this is without trying the "economy mode" button but otherwise
driving with a very light foot, guided by the instantaneous rating.
Something the car seems to hate is feathering in acceleration, what
seems to work better is giving it a small burst and the coasting, the
CVT seems *very* aggressive about dropping the RPM to nothing when it
can.

So, it looks to me like the direct-injection and CVT system could use
a little more tuning. Hey, do you think standard maintenance will
include a software update at some point?

J.

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Old 22 Oct 2012, 06:26 pm
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Default Re: Accord 2013 mileage - yes and no

On 10/22/2012 3:41 PM, JRStern wrote:

Thanks for the report. How is the road noise?
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Old 22 Oct 2012, 11:27 pm
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:26:52 -0700, cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid>
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>On 10/22/2012 3:41 PM, JRStern wrote:
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>Thanks for the report. How is the road noise?


Much quieter and smoother than my 2010, which did not have the active
cancellation (apparently the 2012 did).

The front suspension is also a success, I think, and even the rear
suspension tuning is much different that the previous models, small
road noises that Honda has *intentionally* passed through up until
now, are gone. And without going all land-yacht soggy like the old
Camry ... I haven't driven a recent Camry so can't comment on that.

Turning onto my block from the main street there is a small negative
camber, and the new car takes it noticeably smoother than before.
Also the car seems to ride over foot-wide rain gutters even better
than before, and it was good before!

The drive-by-wire steering is very light, but after getting used to it
for a few days it seems fine.

--

So far I'm liking it pretty well, it's a real step up - and a good
thing!

J.

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Old 23 Oct 2012, 05:20 am
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Default Re: Accord 2013 mileage - yes and no

In article <73ib88lnpudu0j3kn4msd3qies9q5mc9pm@4ax.com>,
JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:

> FWIW, this is without trying the "economy mode" button


I guarantee you the testing on the EPA route was done with the economy
button on.
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Old 23 Oct 2012, 10:22 am
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 06:20:13 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <73ib88lnpudu0j3kn4msd3qies9q5mc9pm@4ax.com>,
> JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:
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>> FWIW, this is without trying the "economy mode" button

>
>I guarantee you the testing on the EPA route was done with the economy
>button on.


I thought I'd read, not.

Anyway for myself, I'm going to empty the first tank and get a "real"
reading, before I press it.

Car has a lot of buttons, ...

J.


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Old 23 Oct 2012, 01:01 pm
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On 10/23/2012 8:22 AM, JRStern wrote:
> Car has a lot of buttons, ...


Not just the Eco button? ;-)

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Old 23 Oct 2012, 01:51 pm
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:01:19 -0700, cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid>
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>On 10/23/2012 8:22 AM, JRStern wrote:
>> Car has a lot of buttons, ...

>
>Not just the Eco button? ;-)


It's like that Civic ad on tv, only it's the Honda that has start
button and camera button and touch screen radio controls, an obnoxious
set of climate control buttons, and seat memory buttons and door lock
buttons and trunk open buttons and I just dunno how many more buttons
inside and outside and hidden and obvious and marked and unmarked,
with lights and without lights, and I haven't even gotten into all the
computer messages and warning lights and beeps and squawks that yes I
wanted and paid for but even so it's like riding in a PacMan game
sometimes.

J.

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Old 24 Oct 2012, 05:04 pm
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This morning I test drove an EX sedan with CVT. On one straight stretch of
60 mph highway, the [gas] mileage indicator was showing as high as 50 mpg.
That can't be possible...

In a nutshell, I was very impressed with the car. It has so many new
features that impress me, though the sound system in my 2004 so far seems a
lot better. (Maybe the stock speakers can be replaced? In any case it's not
a deal-breaker.) I am strongly considering buying a 2013 to replace my 2004
EX sedan, but will not buy any earlier than next spring. I want to find out
if there are any issues with this first year new model.

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Old 24 Oct 2012, 08:42 pm
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:04:50 -0400, "Howard Lester"
<howardxtlester@verizon.net> wrote:

>This morning I test drove an EX sedan with CVT. On one straight stretch of
>60 mph highway, the [gas] mileage indicator was showing as high as 50 mpg.
>That can't be possible...
>
>In a nutshell, I was very impressed with the car. It has so many new
>features that impress me, though the sound system in my 2004 so far seems a
>lot better. (Maybe the stock speakers can be replaced? In any case it's not
>a deal-breaker.) I am strongly considering buying a 2013 to replace my 2004
>EX sedan, but will not buy any earlier than next spring. I want to find out
>if there are any issues with this first year new model.



I have a 2003 LX and thinking of the same except not until 2014 or 15.
Unless I have to, I'm leary of buying a first year model and my Accord
is running too well to get rid of.
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Old 24 Oct 2012, 08:44 pm
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:04:50 -0400, "Howard Lester"
<howardxtlester@verizon.net> wrote:

>This morning I test drove an EX sedan with CVT. On one straight stretch of
>60 mph highway, the [gas] mileage indicator was showing as high as 50 mpg.
>That can't be possible...


It can briefly peg at 60mpg even at speed if you let up on the
accelerator a bit on a flat or even downhill. That's not particularly
unique, but I think they do try to tune the engine/tranny to do that.

Now that you mention it I can mention that I did notice less than
expected engine braking coming down Sepulveda pass towards the 101,
when I took my foot off the gas.

>In a nutshell, I was very impressed with the car. It has so many new
>features that impress me, though the sound system in my 2004 so far seems a
>lot better. (Maybe the stock speakers can be replaced? In any case it's not
>a deal-breaker.) I am strongly considering buying a 2013 to replace my 2004
>EX sedan, but will not buy any earlier than next spring. I want to find out
>if there are any issues with this first year new model.


Big jump from the 2004 (that I also owned) to this new model!

Don't blame you for waiting, right now there are no deals or financing
offered and you have to do the ol' Greco-Roman wrestling with the
dealer to get a half-decent price.

They do have a pretty good deal on the LX tho, which is up-featured
waaaaaay more than the LX used to go. But yeah there's lots of new
stuff, not a bad idea to wait a while.

J.

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