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Old 29 Sep 2012, 01:43 pm
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Default Ethanol vs No Ethanol Gas

I have been running non-ethanol gas in my S 2000 to see if there is any
difference from gas with ethanol. While mileage appears to have picked up a
mile or so at best and perhaps performance "seems" a little better, I must
admit the assessment is, at best, quite subjective. The price difference is
considerable -- right at .30 per gallon, so it would appear not to be cost
effective. What has been the "groups" experience on this subject.

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Old 29 Oct 2012, 05:42 pm
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On 9/29/2012 11:43 AM, tww1491 wrote:
> I have been running non-ethanol gas in my S 2000 to see if there is any
> difference from gas with ethanol. While mileage appears to have picked
> up a mile or so at best and perhaps performance "seems" a little better,
> I must admit the assessment is, at best, quite subjective. The price
> difference is considerable -- right at .30 per gallon, so it would
> appear not to be cost effective. What has been the "groups" experience
> on this subject.

My experience is that it has become difficult and some places impossible
to find gasoline without ethanol, especially during winter months.
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Old 30 Oct 2012, 10:30 am
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On 10/29/12 6:42 PM, Green Eggs & No Spam wrote:
> On 9/29/2012 11:43 AM, tww1491 wrote:
>> I have been running non-ethanol gas in my S 2000 to see if there is any
>> difference from gas with ethanol. While mileage appears to have picked
>> up a mile or so at best and perhaps performance "seems" a little better,
>> I must admit the assessment is, at best, quite subjective. The price
>> difference is considerable -- right at .30 per gallon, so it would
>> appear not to be cost effective. What has been the "groups" experience
>> on this subject.

> My experience is that it has become difficult and some places impossible
> to find gasoline without ethanol, especially during winter months.


The POI Factory has a custom POI (Garmin) for ethanol-free gas stations.
I've found it pretty accurate, at least in AL and GA. They may have one
for other GPS brands as well.

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Old 30 Oct 2012, 10:43 pm
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On 10/30/2012 8:30 AM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
> On 10/29/12 6:42 PM, Green Eggs & No Spam wrote:
>> On 9/29/2012 11:43 AM, tww1491 wrote:
>>> I have been running non-ethanol gas in my S 2000 to see if there is any
>>> difference from gas with ethanol. While mileage appears to have picked
>>> up a mile or so at best and perhaps performance "seems" a little better,
>>> I must admit the assessment is, at best, quite subjective. The price
>>> difference is considerable -- right at .30 per gallon, so it would
>>> appear not to be cost effective. What has been the "groups" experience
>>> on this subject.

>> My experience is that it has become difficult and some places impossible
>> to find gasoline without ethanol, especially during winter months.

>
> The POI Factory has a custom POI (Garmin) for ethanol-free gas stations.
> I've found it pretty accurate, at least in AL and GA. They may have one
> for other GPS brands as well.
>

OK. i suspect it's a state by state thing. In Oregon, they changed the
law to require 10% ethanol all year. I don't know if that applies to the
few gas stations on Indian land. The state ban on self-service gas doesn't.
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Old 31 Oct 2012, 01:10 pm
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On 10/30/2012 8:43 PM, Green Eggs & No Spam wrote:

> OK. i suspect it's a state by state thing. In Oregon, they changed the
> law to require 10% ethanol all year.


Same in Washington state. But they are already talking about 15%.

> I don't know if that applies to the
> few gas stations on Indian land. The state ban on self-service gas doesn't.


I 've been always wondering why Oregon prohibits self-service when
all other states I've been to allow it. Do the OR politicians think that
their people are too stupid for self-service?

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Old 31 Oct 2012, 02:59 pm
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On 10/31/12 2:10 PM, cameo wrote:
> On 10/30/2012 8:43 PM, Green Eggs & No Spam wrote:
>
>> OK. i suspect it's a state by state thing. In Oregon, they changed the
>> law to require 10% ethanol all year.

>
> Same in Washington state. But they are already talking about 15%.
>
>> I don't know if that applies to the
>> few gas stations on Indian land. The state ban on self-service gas
>> doesn't.

>
> I 've been always wondering why Oregon prohibits self-service when
> all other states I've been to allow it. Do the OR politicians think that
> their people are too stupid for self-service?
>


NJ doesn't allow self-service either.

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Old 01 Nov 2012, 02:30 am
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On 10/31/2012 12:59 PM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
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> NJ doesn't allow self-service either.
>

So what is the justification for that?
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Old 01 Nov 2012, 08:30 am
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On 11/1/12 3:30 AM, cameo wrote:
> On 10/31/2012 12:59 PM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
>>
>> NJ doesn't allow self-service either.
>>

> So what is the justification for that?


It results from political pressure from big contributors (and payback to
them) to keep gas prices higher than the free market would support. Main
culprit is state gasoline retailers trade association whose members
benefit from the higher prices.

In answer to questions like yours, always remember: Follow the money!

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Old 01 Nov 2012, 01:58 pm
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On 11/1/2012 6:30 AM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
> It results from political pressure from big contributors (and payback to
> them) to keep gas prices higher than the free market would support. Main
> culprit is state gasoline retailers trade association whose members
> benefit from the higher prices.
>
> In answer to questions like yours, always remember: Follow the money!


Actually, I thought perhaps some gas station attendant union is
involved in it and this rule would force the station owners to employ
more of them than they would otherwise. In either case, the reason is
politics, not a public safety issue, I think.

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Old 01 Nov 2012, 03:06 pm
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On 11/1/12 2:58 PM, cameo wrote:
> On 11/1/2012 6:30 AM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
>> It results from political pressure from big contributors (and payback to
>> them) to keep gas prices higher than the free market would support. Main
>> culprit is state gasoline retailers trade association whose members
>> benefit from the higher prices.
>>
>> In answer to questions like yours, always remember: Follow the money!

>
> Actually, I thought perhaps some gas station attendant union is
> involved in it and this rule would force the station owners to employ
> more of them than they would otherwise. In either case, the reason is
> politics, not a public safety issue, I think.
>


That too...

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