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Old 22 Sep 2012, 12:11 am
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Default test drive Accord 2013 EX-L

Took a short look and test drive at the Accord 2013 today, a white
EX-L sedan, CVT, no nav.

Dashboard is updated to a zippier style, and all models now have
larger screen supporting more functions.

Some reviews say visibility is increased - at worst it is not
decreased, pretty much the same, I think.

Steering is MUCH lighter. Some review say it sucks particularly at
highway speeds, I may have to go back and test that out. The CVT is
MUCH more responsive to pedal input. All the reviews I've seen say
Honda has done the best job yet making the CVT driveable - even if
that does include having it pretend to pause at what would be gear
shift points. The salesman mumbled something about how the CVT is
meant to be more responsive, apparently it's a least a minor sales
point.

Only the sport model has paddle shifters, salesmen did not think they
could be added to the EX-L. There was no way to "instruct" the tranny
using the stick, which is still built as heavily as if it were
connected to something and wasn't just a fly-by-wire transducer. I
much prefer the new BMW stick, that feels more like the game
controller that it sort of is.

The new strut front suspension? Well, I didn't toss it around much on
a quick one-mile drive, and that numb steering doesn't really
encourage it. One review notes that even BMW M3 and Porsche have gone
to this, and it's supposed to help reduce noise, and the skidpad
numbers are actually improved. Well.

EX-L now has turn signal lights on the mirrors - a geegaw I've wanted
to have!

The lane change warning consists of the camera in the right mirror
suddenly appearing on your screen. What is warned is that you are
turning the wheel to the right - not that there is anything there!
WTF?

The Accord uses the stereo to produce noise-cancelling signals.

The car does ride more quietly. Apparently, all the reviews were
ragging on Honda for being "noisy", when it was really only following
its own 30+ year tradition of letting through a little more road noise
to be sportier, provide more feedback. Well, perhaps we've all
outgrown that now. I'm curious about wind noise, which has been a tad
higher in recent models than I'd liked - if that isn't just because
everything else has already been quieter, whatever the mags say.
Similarly I'm not in love with the zippier dash, I'd be OK with the 50
year old style of analog speedo and tach that my 2010 still has, but I
guess that's life in the 21st century. The heater and radio buttons
on the center dash are slightly better than last model, but still busy
and generic ... but then ergonomics for controls is just a totally
lost art these days everywhere you go.

The standard painted alloy wheels are ugly and cheap - though the
previous models' polished alloys weren't very nice, either. I might
inquire about options there, I dunno, though a nice set of wheels can
get costly.

Wheelbase is reduced an inch, overall length about three inches,
interior space is either slightly increased - or decreased, one review
said. Back seat legroom is supposed to be improved.

Overall, it's a few minor improvements over the previous. The big
question for me is the CVT. May just have to buy one and drive it for
three years to find out.

The car seems OK, but I have to say, that old Honda spirit is not in
evidence, but then it hasn't been for quite a while.

J.

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Old 22 Sep 2012, 05:24 am
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Default Re: test drive Accord 2013 EX-L

In article <f1hq58teivhttjb4qof3rqfs3idufk5k3s@4ax.com>,
JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:

> The big
> question for me is the CVT.


The big question for ALL Hondas is the transmission.

And Honda has a new one? Yeah, can't wait for THAT to settle itself
out. <snort>
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Old 22 Sep 2012, 07:46 am
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message
news:elmop-976512.06245822092012@news.eternal-september.org...

In article <f1hq58teivhttjb4qof3rqfs3idufk5k3s@4ax.com>,
JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:

> The big
> question for me is the CVT.


The big question for ALL Hondas is the transmission.

And Honda has a new one? Yeah, can't wait for THAT to settle itself
out. <snort>
The 6 speed manual is an alternative.

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Old 22 Sep 2012, 10:18 am
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In article <Bqi7s.23$4c6.14@newsfe10.iad>, "tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net>
wrote:

> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message
> news:elmop-976512.06245822092012@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> In article <f1hq58teivhttjb4qof3rqfs3idufk5k3s@4ax.com>,
> JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:
>
> > The big
> > question for me is the CVT.

>
> The big question for ALL Hondas is the transmission.
>
> And Honda has a new one? Yeah, can't wait for THAT to settle itself
> out. <snort>
> The 6 speed manual is an alternative.


Not on EX-L or above.

And I notice that the V6 models have geared trannies. YAY! says Honda.
We can continue to screw people over the old fashioned way!
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Old 22 Sep 2012, 10:27 am
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In article <Bqi7s.23$4c6.14@newsfe10.iad>, "tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net>
wrote:

> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message
> news:elmop-976512.06245822092012@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> In article <f1hq58teivhttjb4qof3rqfs3idufk5k3s@4ax.com>,
> JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:
>
> > The big
> > question for me is the CVT.

>
> The big question for ALL Hondas is the transmission.
>
> And Honda has a new one? Yeah, can't wait for THAT to settle itself
> out. <snort>
> The 6 speed manual is an alternative.


And they *still* won't put the ****ing garage door opener buttons on
anything lower than the V6.

Time was, people put up with Honda's quirks--shitty stereos, vinyl
seats, no memory on power seats, etc--because the underlying structure
and driveline were worth it, especially compared to the competition.
The competition chose to go after stupid people's money by using bells
and whistles instead of solid foundational engineeering.

Stupid people got the bells and whistles they deserved, plus the
continual car payments, and Honda buyers bought an aftermarket stereo
and moved on with their lives with bulletproof cars that kept their
value.

Now the competition is building damn fine foundational engineering like
it never has before. What does Honda do to compete and make money?
They go back to Chrysler's engineering playbook from 1977 in order to
cut costs so they can keep profits up.

Their idea of "making money" is to sell you shit and tell you how good
you should feel about it.

Put a ****ing garage door opener button in the 2013--TWO THOUSAND
THIRTEEN--model? No SIR. We'll just beef up the marketing and say it
louder, in the hopes that you won't realize you're buying the
engineering quality of a 77 Chrysler. You'll think you're still getting
the quality that we put into the Accord in 1983, and that way we can
keep the ten cents we would have otherwise spent on the ****ing garage
door opener. LOOK! MOAR PROFITS!
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Old 22 Sep 2012, 01:00 pm
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:27:04 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <Bqi7s.23$4c6.14@newsfe10.iad>, "tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net>
>wrote:
>
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message
>> news:elmop-976512.06245822092012@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> In article <f1hq58teivhttjb4qof3rqfs3idufk5k3s@4ax.com>,
>> JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > The big
>> > question for me is the CVT.

>>
>> The big question for ALL Hondas is the transmission.
>>
>> And Honda has a new one? Yeah, can't wait for THAT to settle itself
>> out. <snort>
>> The 6 speed manual is an alternative.

>
>And they *still* won't put the ****ing garage door opener buttons on
>anything lower than the V6.


Proof that the terrorists have already won.

>Time was, people put up with Honda's quirks--shitty stereos, vinyl
>seats, no memory on power seats, etc--because the underlying structure
>and driveline were worth it, especially compared to the competition.
>The competition chose to go after stupid people's money by using bells
>and whistles instead of solid foundational engineeering.
>
>Stupid people got the bells and whistles they deserved, plus the
>continual car payments, and Honda buyers bought an aftermarket stereo
>and moved on with their lives with bulletproof cars that kept their
>value.
>
>Now the competition is building damn fine foundational engineering like
>it never has before. What does Honda do to compete and make money?
>They go back to Chrysler's engineering playbook from 1977 in order to
>cut costs so they can keep profits up.


Landau roofs! Yes!

>Their idea of "making money" is to sell you shit and tell you how good
>you should feel about it.
>
>Put a ****ing garage door opener button in the 2013--TWO THOUSAND
>THIRTEEN--model? No SIR. We'll just beef up the marketing and say it
>louder, in the hopes that you won't realize you're buying the
>engineering quality of a 77 Chrysler. You'll think you're still getting
>the quality that we put into the Accord in 1983, and that way we can
>keep the ten cents we would have otherwise spent on the ****ing garage
>door opener. LOOK! MOAR PROFITS!


Shouldn't your iPhone open your door? Or maybe the Honda fob? Why
blame the car, when the door's the problem? LOL

How the hell does the fob work with the start button anyway, RFID?
Isn't that gonna give everyone cancer of the testicles? Well yeah,
everyone's doing it. Whoopee.

J.

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Old 22 Sep 2012, 04:54 pm
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On 09/22/2012 08:27 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<Bqi7s.23$4c6.14@newsfe10.iad>, "tww1491"<twaugh5@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message
>> news:elmop-976512.06245822092012@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> In article<f1hq58teivhttjb4qof3rqfs3idufk5k3s@4ax.com >,
>> JRStern<JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> The big
>>> question for me is the CVT.

>>
>> The big question for ALL Hondas is the transmission.
>>
>> And Honda has a new one? Yeah, can't wait for THAT to settle itself
>> out.<snort>
>> The 6 speed manual is an alternative.

>
> And they *still* won't put the ****ing garage door opener buttons on
> anything lower than the V6.
>
> Time was, people put up with Honda's quirks--shitty stereos, vinyl
> seats, no memory on power seats, etc--because the underlying structure
> and driveline were worth it, especially compared to the competition.
> The competition chose to go after stupid people's money by using bells
> and whistles instead of solid foundational engineeering.
>
> Stupid people got the bells and whistles they deserved, plus the
> continual car payments, and Honda buyers bought an aftermarket stereo
> and moved on with their lives with bulletproof cars that kept their
> value.
>
> Now the competition is building damn fine foundational engineering like
> it never has before. What does Honda do to compete and make money?
> They go back to Chrysler's engineering playbook from 1977 in order to
> cut costs so they can keep profits up.
>
> Their idea of "making money" is to sell you shit and tell you how good
> you should feel about it.
>
> Put a ****ing garage door opener button in the 2013--TWO THOUSAND
> THIRTEEN--model? No SIR. We'll just beef up the marketing and say it
> louder, in the hopes that you won't realize you're buying the
> engineering quality of a 77 Chrysler. You'll think you're still getting
> the quality that we put into the Accord in 1983, and that way we can
> keep the ten cents we would have otherwise spent on the ****ing garage
> door opener. LOOK! MOAR PROFITS!


well said.

meanwhile, kia and hyundai are making perfectly decent cars with all the
bells and whistles, and you don't feel jerked off about taking a chance
on a "newer brand" because the price is right. all while honda usa's
trojan horse management is driving the brand into the ground by
insisting on exactly the kind of corner cutting you describe, and
especially so by undermining the fundamentals of what used to be
unbeatable mechanical platforms.

i love my old hondas and will keep them running as long as feasible.
but when they're done, i'm moving on. nothing to see here any more.


--
fact check required
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Old 22 Sep 2012, 06:54 pm
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In article <k3lc26$27t$1@dont-email.me>, jim beam <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

> > Put a ****ing garage door opener button in the 2013--TWO THOUSAND
> > THIRTEEN--model? No SIR. We'll just beef up the marketing and say it
> > louder, in the hopes that you won't realize you're buying the
> > engineering quality of a 77 Chrysler. You'll think you're still getting
> > the quality that we put into the Accord in 1983, and that way we can
> > keep the ten cents we would have otherwise spent on the ****ing garage
> > door opener. LOOK! MOAR PROFITS!

>
> well said.
>
> meanwhile, kia and hyundai are making perfectly decent cars with all the
> bells and whistles, and you don't feel jerked off about taking a chance
> on a "newer brand" because the price is right.


heh. I just looked; the Kia Optima has the garage door opener button
available as an option on the BASE model, and STANDARD on the three
higher models.
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Old 23 Sep 2012, 01:33 pm
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On 9/22/2012 2:54 PM, jim beam wrote:
> i love my old hondas and will keep them running as long as feasible. but
> when they're done, i'm moving on. nothing to see here any more.


After what I'm reading here from some of you, I feel even better for
having spent a couple grands for the replacement of the AT on my '94
Accord instead of junking it and getting a new one. With this tranny it
feels like a new car again 'cause otherwise both the engine and the body
are in great condition.

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Old 23 Sep 2012, 01:41 pm
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 11:33:23 -0700, cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid>
wrote:

>On 9/22/2012 2:54 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> i love my old hondas and will keep them running as long as feasible. but
>> when they're done, i'm moving on. nothing to see here any more.

>
>After what I'm reading here from some of you, I feel even better for
>having spent a couple grands for the replacement of the AT on my '94
>Accord instead of junking it and getting a new one. With this tranny it
>feels like a new car again 'cause otherwise both the engine and the body
>are in great condition.


Well, part of it is a "crisis of rising expectations".

The technology really did improve in both Hondas and everyone else, in
the model years around 2000 and later. Really does make the old
models seem like go-carts. I mean, I'm nostalgic for my little red
wagon from when I was six years old, but it's not really an option I'd
choose over a new car.

And apparently Elmo has been locked out of his own garage for the past
fifteen years, at last we've learned what makes him so crusty.

J.

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