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Old 14 Aug 2012, 10:52 pm
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Default Acura TL's good crash test rating

All 3 major TV news channels reported this in their evening news
tonight: the Acura TL came out on top with Volvo S60 in the latest
partial frontal crash tests.
Because some of you stated before that the Acura models are
esentially Honda models with more expensive look and feel. So, I wonder
which Honda model corresponds to the Acura TL.

<http://wot.motortrend.com/acura-tl-aces-stricter-iihs-frontal-crash-test-vw-cc-loses-a-door-246439.html>
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Old 15 Aug 2012, 09:57 am
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:52:31 -0700, cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid>
wrote:

> All 3 major TV news channels reported this in their evening news
>tonight: the Acura TL came out on top with Volvo S60 in the latest
>partial frontal crash tests.
> Because some of you stated before that the Acura models are
>esentially Honda models with more expensive look and feel. So, I wonder
>which Honda model corresponds to the Acura TL.
>
><http://wot.motortrend.com/acura-tl-aces-stricter-iihs-frontal-crash-test-vw-cc-loses-a-door-246439.html>


Accord, esp w 6-cylinder engines but probably all have basically the
same front framework, afaik.

I've been watching the Mercedes and others for years moving the front
wheels to the very corner of the bodywork, where any accident is going
to bend the suspension. And now, it turns out, the driver, too.

A lot of the tiny cars are going to suffer from this as well, the
Fiats and Mini-Coopers. Have to get a hundred pounds of steel out
ahead of the tires old-school. Not sure how even the Civics are going
to do on this kind of test.

J.

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Old 15 Aug 2012, 12:52 pm
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Default Re: Acura TL's good crash test rating

cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote in news:k0f69b$5gu$1@dont-email.me:

> Because some of you stated before that the Acura models are
> esentially Honda models with more expensive look and feel. So, I
> wonder which Honda model corresponds to the Acura TL.



European Accord, a model thet's otherwise not sold here.

Honda has two "Accord" platforms: the "European" and the "American". The
American one is larger and is one that's sold as an "Accord" here.


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Old 15 Aug 2012, 12:59 pm
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Default Re: Acura TL's good crash test rating

On 8/15/2012 7:57 AM, JRStern wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:52:31 -0700, cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> All 3 major TV news channels reported this in their evening news
>> tonight: the Acura TL came out on top with Volvo S60 in the latest
>> partial frontal crash tests.
>> Because some of you stated before that the Acura models are
>> esentially Honda models with more expensive look and feel. So, I wonder
>> which Honda model corresponds to the Acura TL.
>>
>> <http://wot.motortrend.com/acura-tl-aces-stricter-iihs-frontal-crash-test-vw-cc-loses-a-door-246439.html>

>
> Accord, esp w 6-cylinder engines but probably all have basically the
> same front framework, afaik.


What are you afraid of? Isn't it a good news that buying the much
cheaper Accord gives you the same protection as the Acura TL?

> I've been watching the Mercedes and others for years moving the front
> wheels to the very corner of the bodywork, where any accident is going
> to bend the suspension. And now, it turns out, the driver, too.


Now Mercedes is protesting the method of the crash test. The results
must be just a bit embarrassing for them, I guess.



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Old 15 Aug 2012, 04:46 pm
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Default Re: Acura TL's good crash test rating

On 8/15/2012 10:52 AM, Tegger wrote:
> cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote in news:k0f69b$5gu$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> Because some of you stated before that the Acura models are
>> esentially Honda models with more expensive look and feel. So, I
>> wonder which Honda model corresponds to the Acura TL.

>
>
> European Accord, a model thet's otherwise not sold here.
>
> Honda has two "Accord" platforms: the "European" and the "American". The
> American one is larger and is one that's sold as an "Accord" here.
>

Thanks, Tegger. So how is that model called in Europe?
Interesting though, that Honda (just as Ford used to) think that
Americans can be satisfied with lesser models than Europeans.
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Old 15 Aug 2012, 05:18 pm
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cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote in news:k0h57a$85e$1@dont-email.me:

> On 8/15/2012 10:52 AM, Tegger wrote:
>> cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote in news:k0f69b$5gu$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Because some of you stated before that the Acura models are
>>> esentially Honda models with more expensive look and feel. So, I
>>> wonder which Honda model corresponds to the Acura TL.

>>
>>
>> European Accord, a model thet's otherwise not sold here.
>>
>> Honda has two "Accord" platforms: the "European" and the "American". The
>> American one is larger and is one that's sold as an "Accord" here.
>>

> Thanks, Tegger. So how is that model called in Europe?




Honda Accord.


> Interesting though, that Honda (just as Ford used to) think that
> Americans can be satisfied with lesser models than Europeans.
>



A lot of that has to do with regulations. Half the cars in Europe cannot be
sold here in any case because they don't meet American safety regulations,
and the expected market isn't big enough to justify the cost of compliance.

Remember that the European market itself is entirely shaped by their own
regulations, which have the effect of making that market's cars a lot
smaller than they otherwise might be. And small cars tend to be a hard sell
over here.


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Old 15 Aug 2012, 10:52 pm
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Default Re: Acura TL's good crash test rating

In article <XnsA0B08D17EC44Ategger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:

> > Because some of you stated before that the Acura models are
> > esentially Honda models with more expensive look and feel. So, I
> > wonder which Honda model corresponds to the Acura TL.

>
>
> European Accord, a model thet's otherwise not sold here.


no, you're thinking TSX.

TL is a US Accord wearing a more expensive suit.
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Old 16 Aug 2012, 06:18 am
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
BE8D6E.23525415082012@news.eternal-september.org:

> In article <XnsA0B08D17EC44Ategger@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:
>
>> > Because some of you stated before that the Acura models are
>> > esentially Honda models with more expensive look and feel. So, I
>> > wonder which Honda model corresponds to the Acura TL.

>>
>>
>> European Accord, a model thet's otherwise not sold here.

>
> no, you're thinking TSX.
>
> TL is a US Accord wearing a more expensive suit.
>



You're right. My mistake.


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Old 16 Aug 2012, 05:45 pm
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Default Re: Acura TL's good crash test rating

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:59:27 -0700, cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid>
wrote:

>On 8/15/2012 7:57 AM, JRStern wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:52:31 -0700, cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All 3 major TV news channels reported this in their evening news
>>> tonight: the Acura TL came out on top with Volvo S60 in the latest
>>> partial frontal crash tests.
>>> Because some of you stated before that the Acura models are
>>> esentially Honda models with more expensive look and feel. So, I wonder
>>> which Honda model corresponds to the Acura TL.
>>>
>>> <http://wot.motortrend.com/acura-tl-aces-stricter-iihs-frontal-crash-test-vw-cc-loses-a-door-246439.html>

>>
>> Accord, esp w 6-cylinder engines but probably all have basically the
>> same front framework, afaik.

>
>What are you afraid of? Isn't it a good news that buying the much
>cheaper Accord gives you the same protection as the Acura TL?
>
>> I've been watching the Mercedes and others for years moving the front
>> wheels to the very corner of the bodywork, where any accident is going
>> to bend the suspension. And now, it turns out, the driver, too.

>
>Now Mercedes is protesting the method of the crash test. The results
>must be just a bit embarrassing for them, I guess.


Afraid of what? I'm a little afraid of corner-collisions, and that
zippy-looking but probably ill-advised design is one of about 50,000
reasons I don't buy the Merc or even cheaper models with the same
design.

I don't know that it's a huge safety problem but it has to be a fairly
large insurance problem, a relatively minor collision is going to make
the care unrepairable, unless the frame has replaceable sections which
I strongly doubt.

J.

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Old 16 Aug 2012, 09:38 pm
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Default Re: Acura TL's good crash test rating

On 08/16/2012 03:45 PM, JRStern wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:59:27 -0700, cameo<cameo@unreal.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/15/2012 7:57 AM, JRStern wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:52:31 -0700, cameo<cameo@unreal.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All 3 major TV news channels reported this in their evening news
>>>> tonight: the Acura TL came out on top with Volvo S60 in the latest
>>>> partial frontal crash tests.
>>>> Because some of you stated before that the Acura models are
>>>> esentially Honda models with more expensive look and feel. So, I wonder
>>>> which Honda model corresponds to the Acura TL.
>>>>
>>>> <http://wot.motortrend.com/acura-tl-aces-stricter-iihs-frontal-crash-test-vw-cc-loses-a-door-246439.html>
>>>
>>> Accord, esp w 6-cylinder engines but probably all have basically the
>>> same front framework, afaik.

>>
>> What are you afraid of? Isn't it a good news that buying the much
>> cheaper Accord gives you the same protection as the Acura TL?
>>
>>> I've been watching the Mercedes and others for years moving the front
>>> wheels to the very corner of the bodywork, where any accident is going
>>> to bend the suspension. And now, it turns out, the driver, too.

>>
>> Now Mercedes is protesting the method of the crash test. The results
>> must be just a bit embarrassing for them, I guess.

>
> Afraid of what? I'm a little afraid of corner-collisions, and that
> zippy-looking but probably ill-advised design is one of about 50,000
> reasons I don't buy the Merc or even cheaper models with the same
> design.
>
> I don't know that it's a huge safety problem but it has to be a fairly
> large insurance problem, a relatively minor collision is going to make
> the care unrepairable, unless the frame has replaceable sections which
> I strongly doubt.
>
> J.
>


you're falling for the bull injection dude. go to a junkyard. look at
some crashed cars. the ones you see [frod, g.m.] with collapsed
passenger cells, those are the ones to avoid. the ones you see getting
all f'ed up all over but that keep an intact passenger cell, they're the
ones you want. ignore all this "insurance rating" f[r]iction.

regarding any mercedes fud, the fact is, germans are experts at high
speed crashes. especially late at night on country roads when they've
been drinking. german cars are consequentially very good in real world
crash performance. all this b.s. about more and more esoteric ways of
"testing" cars so they end up getting heavier and heavier is merely the
back-door means by which the oilco's manage to keep consumption high
when improving engine efficiency would otherwise be starving their sorry
asses.

oh, and don't forget the dirty little secret of the "safer" car world -
a 3500lb car on a set of 225 wide tires has a much longer stopping
distance than a 2300lb car on the same size tires. all this extra
weight is /increasing/ crash propensity because of poorer
maneuverability and longer stopping distances.


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