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Old 08 Jul 2012, 08:00 pm
jim beam
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On 07/08/2012 07:01 PM, cameo wrote:
> I've been thinking of getting rid off my non-metric wrenches and sockets
> I accummulated over decades but I am not sure if all the new cars are
> now metric. I don't want to be sorry if my next car is not.
> Anybody knows?


i know what i don't know, and it's kind of important - what car you're
thinking of buying.


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Old 08 Jul 2012, 09:01 pm
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Default Metric issue

I've been thinking of getting rid off my non-metric wrenches and sockets
I accummulated over decades but I am not sure if all the new cars are
now metric. I don't want to be sorry if my next car is not.
Anybody knows?
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Old 09 Jul 2012, 02:27 am
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On 7/8/2012 6:00 PM, jim beam wrote:
> i know what i don't know, and it's kind of important - what car you're
> thinking of buying.


Either Subaru or Ford.


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Old 09 Jul 2012, 11:50 am
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"cameo" <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote in message
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> I've been thinking of getting rid off my non-metric wrenches and sockets I
> accummulated over decades but I am not sure if all the new cars are now
> metric. I don't want to be sorry if my next car is not.
> Anybody knows?


Add to your current set but buy tools that go to the 1/32 level. With a
good set the tools are virtually interchangeable. I've had a few
manufactures that deliberlty screwed with the fitting sizes (they wanted to
sell their tools) but the 1/32 trick worked even on their stuff.


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Old 09 Jul 2012, 12:27 pm
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On 07/09/2012 09:50 AM, NotMe wrote:
> "cameo"<cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote in message
> news:jtddu2$rkg$1@dont-email.me...
>> I've been thinking of getting rid off my non-metric wrenches and sockets I
>> accummulated over decades but I am not sure if all the new cars are now
>> metric. I don't want to be sorry if my next car is not.
>> Anybody knows?

>
> Add to your current set but buy tools that go to the 1/32 level. With a
> good set the tools are virtually interchangeable. I've had a few
> manufactures that deliberlty screwed with the fitting sizes (they wanted to
> sell their tools) but the 1/32 trick worked even on their stuff.


if manufacturers abandoned fractional decades ago and went metric, and
if, because they're commonly used, metric tools are cheaper than 32'nd
fractional, why on earth would anyone not use them? is it a nostalgia
thing? or is decimal math just too hard?


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Old 09 Jul 2012, 12:27 pm
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On 07/09/2012 12:27 AM, cameo wrote:
> On 7/8/2012 6:00 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> i know what i don't know, and it's kind of important - what car you're
>> thinking of buying.

>
> Either Subaru or Ford.


both are metric.


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Old 09 Jul 2012, 03:00 pm
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In article <jtddu2$rkg$1@dont-email.me>, cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid>
wrote:

> I've been thinking of getting rid off my non-metric wrenches and sockets
> I accummulated over decades but I am not sure if all the new cars are
> now metric. I don't want to be sorry if my next car is not.
> Anybody knows?


I wouldn't dump them, there is still a lot of fractional stuff out
there; not all necessarily automotive related.

If they are in the way, give them a light coat of oil, and store them
out of the way somewhere... they'll likely come in handy some day.

Erik
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Old 09 Jul 2012, 03:58 pm
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On 07/09/2012 03:03 PM, cameo wrote:
> On 7/9/2012 10:27 AM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 07/09/2012 12:27 AM, cameo wrote:
>>> On 7/8/2012 6:00 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>> i know what i don't know, and it's kind of important - what car you're
>>>> thinking of buying.
>>>
>>> Either Subaru or Ford.

>>
>> both are metric.

>
> Great, thanks. I suspected Ford might be, if for nothing else than for
> their CEO Alan Mulally, who was also very good at Boeing in eliminating
> waste.


they've been metric since the 70's afaik - nothing to do with mulally.


> I suppose with the Fiat takeover, Chrysler might also become
> metric


they've been metric for ages too afaik.


> but I don't know about GM.


gm started going metric int he 80's. pretty much last as usual.


> But I don't really care for their
> cars, anyway.





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Old 09 Jul 2012, 04:00 pm
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On 07/09/2012 01:00 PM, Erik wrote:
> In article<jtddu2$rkg$1@dont-email.me>, cameo<cameo@unreal.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> I've been thinking of getting rid off my non-metric wrenches and sockets
>> I accummulated over decades but I am not sure if all the new cars are
>> now metric. I don't want to be sorry if my next car is not.
>> Anybody knows?

>
> I wouldn't dump them, there is still a lot of fractional stuff out
> there; not all necessarily automotive related.


good point - plumbing for instance. but automotive is going/has gone
metric pretty much completely. most imported stuff is metric. and with
more and more industrial production being done overseas, that trend is
set to continue for non-automotive stuff too.

personally, i think metric is a good thing. apart from more obvious
screw-ups like nasa's asteroid impact failure and the gross cost
inefficiency of the nation's service techs keeping two sets of tools, i
think failure to go metric has stunted our national export success. we
may not have cared or noticed back in the day, but it sure as heck
matters now. i mean, if you're a metric nation and are metric tooled,
wtf would you buy american fractional equipment if metric equivalents
were available? as for the so-called "difficulty" of our adoption of
metric, how hard is it to do decimal math? for my money, it's a damned
sight easier than fractional.

the classic example of that has to be military ordnance ranging. before
laser range finders, which you still may not want to use for tactical
reasons, optical range estimation was done with scopes and the "mil-dot"
system, or variants thereof. bottom line, if you use metric, mil-dot
ranging is beyond simple - 1 meter [1000mm] at 1000 meters distance is
one dot width on the scope, thus the mm/m ratio really couldn't be
simpler. but ranging in inches and yards is nothing short of goat sex,
and everybody who tries to do it that way gets tied up in knots and has
a very high probability of getting it wrong. and you certainly don't
want to be taking your eye off the target and fumbling in your pocket
for a calculator in a live engagement. for this reason if no other,
metric should be the one and only system we use. all the math is
simple. end of story.


>
> If they are in the way, give them a light coat of oil, and store them
> out of the way somewhere... they'll likely come in handy some day.
>
> Erik



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Old 09 Jul 2012, 05:03 pm
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On 7/9/2012 10:27 AM, jim beam wrote:
> On 07/09/2012 12:27 AM, cameo wrote:
>> On 7/8/2012 6:00 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>> i know what i don't know, and it's kind of important - what car you're
>>> thinking of buying.

>>
>> Either Subaru or Ford.

>
> both are metric.


Great, thanks. I suspected Ford might be, if for nothing else than for
their CEO Alan Mulally, who was also very good at Boeing in eliminating
waste. I suppose with the Fiat takeover, Chrysler might also become
metric but I don't know about GM. But I don't really care for their
cars, anyway.


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