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Old 30 Jun 2012, 02:12 pm
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Default Honda's switch from carbs to fuel injection

What year did Honda totally abandon engines with carb? I suppose not the
same time for each model, but I can't find a good info on it anywhere. I
figure the process took several years across the model lines, just as
switching from RWD to FWD.
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Old 30 Jun 2012, 05:05 pm
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cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote in news:jsniut$kfn$1@dont-email.me:

> What year did Honda totally abandon engines with carb? I suppose not the
> same time for each model, but I can't find a good info on it anywhere. I
> figure the process took several years across the model lines, just as
> switching from RWD to FWD.
>



It did. And it differed between markets. North-American vehicles were the
first to lose their carbs. Some other markets, with more relaxed emissions
laws, had them until nearly the 2000s.

North-American Civic-based models last had carbs in 1987. Accord-based
models last had carbs in 1990.

Non-Si Civics had throttle-body injection for 1988 to 1991. They called it
"DPFI", or Dual Point Fuel Injection. Confusingly, this device resembled a
carburetor, and had a carb-type air-cleaner.

I believe all Acura models since the beginning in 1986 have always had port
fuel-injection.

I think Honda only ever made one RWD car, the S600; all other Honda cars
until the S2000 were FWD, or AWD.

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Old 30 Jun 2012, 06:04 pm
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Default Re: Honda's switch from carbs to fuel injection

On 6/30/2012 3:05 PM, Tegger wrote:

> It did. And it differed between markets. North-American vehicles were the
> first to lose their carbs. Some other markets, with more relaxed emissions
> laws, had them until nearly the 2000s.
>
> North-American Civic-based models last had carbs in 1987. Accord-based
> models last had carbs in 1990.
>
> Non-Si Civics had throttle-body injection for 1988 to 1991. They called it
> "DPFI", or Dual Point Fuel Injection. Confusingly, this device resembled a
> carburetor, and had a carb-type air-cleaner.
>
> I believe all Acura models since the beginning in 1986 have always had port
> fuel-injection.
>
> I think Honda only ever made one RWD car, the S600; all other Honda cars
> until the S2000 were FWD, or AWD.


I didn't know about the '80s Hondas 'cause at that time I had an '83
Toyota Corolla which had carb and RWD. Interestingly though Toyota also
made a FWD Corolla that year, I think the first time. I wonder if Toyota
also switched to fuel injection about the same time as Honda.

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Old 30 Jun 2012, 06:48 pm
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Default Re: Honda's switch from carbs to fuel injection

cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote in news:jso0h0$v0h$1@dont-email.me:


>
> I didn't know about the '80s Hondas 'cause at that time I had an '83
> Toyota Corolla which had carb and RWD.



The very first of the AE models!

I had two of those, and '81 and an '82. But both of them had the old T-
series engines, so they were TE instead of AE. Both were Liftbacks (TE72).

Which one did you have? The 4-door Sedan, the 4-door Wagon, the 2-door
Sedan, the 2-door Notchback, the 3-door Coupe, or the 3-door Liftback?



> Interestingly though Toyota also made a FWD Corolla that year,




1983 was actually the last year for RWD-only. 1984 was the first year for
both FWD and RWD platforms. The FWD body was a different model from AE. I'm
too lazy to Google it at the moment...



> I think the first time. I wonder if
> Toyota also switched to fuel injection about the same time as Honda.
>



For Corollas, 1990 was the last carbed model.


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Old 01 Jul 2012, 06:13 pm
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Default Re: Honda's switch from carbs to fuel injection

On 6/30/2012 4:48 PM, Tegger wrote:
>> I didn't know about the '80s Hondas 'cause at that time I had an '83
>> Toyota Corolla which had carb and RWD.

>
>
> The very first of the AE models!
>
> I had two of those, and '81 and an '82. But both of them had the old T-
> series engines, so they were TE instead of AE. Both were Liftbacks (TE72).
>
> Which one did you have? The 4-door Sedan, the 4-door Wagon, the 2-door
> Sedan, the 2-door Notchback, the 3-door Coupe, or the 3-door Liftback?


Actually, none of those. It was a 2-door SR5 sport coupe.

> 1983 was actually the last year for RWD-only. 1984 was the first year for
> both FWD and RWD platforms. The FWD body was a different model from AE. I'm
> too lazy to Google it at the moment...


I think you're right because I bought the car new in the fall of '83 and
it was then already the '84 model. My bad. My memory is not what it used
to be. This is how it looked like (the silver-black two tone model below
the top picture, on the left. I really liked that little car, both
mechanically and look-wise.

<http://www.examiner.com/article/1984-87-toyota-corolla-sport-coupe-a-last-rear-wheel-drive-economy-car-classic>

> For Corollas, 1990 was the last carbed model.


I see. Thanks.

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Old 01 Jul 2012, 06:53 pm
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cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote in news:jsqleh$bf5$1@dont-email.me:

> On 6/30/2012 4:48 PM, Tegger wrote:


>>
>> Which one did you have? The 4-door Sedan, the 4-door Wagon, the
>> 2-door Sedan, the 2-door Notchback, the 3-door Coupe, or the 3-door
>> Liftback?

>
> Actually, none of those. It was a 2-door SR5 sport coupe.
> I bought the car new in the fall of '83 and it was then already the
> '84 model.



The '84 Coupe was what was known as the Notchback in the '80-'83
generation, except that it lacked the hardtop windows of the '80-'83
generation.


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Old 04 Jul 2012, 02:52 pm
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On 06/30/2012 03:05 PM, Tegger wrote:
> cameo<cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote in news:jsniut$kfn$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> What year did Honda totally abandon engines with carb? I suppose not the
>> same time for each model, but I can't find a good info on it anywhere. I
>> figure the process took several years across the model lines, just as
>> switching from RWD to FWD.
>>

>
>
> It did. And it differed between markets. North-American vehicles were the
> first to lose their carbs. Some other markets, with more relaxed emissions
> laws, had them until nearly the 2000s.
>
> North-American Civic-based models last had carbs in 1987. Accord-based
> models last had carbs in 1990.
>
> Non-Si Civics had throttle-body injection for 1988 to 1991. They called it
> "DPFI", or Dual Point Fuel Injection. Confusingly, this device resembled a
> carburetor,


how was it "confusing"? it was vertically mounted, not horizontally
like the 4-point injected engines of that time. but other than that,
the two fuel injector connections sticking out at the front should have
been a give-away - unless they'd never seen or heard about a fuel
injected vehicle before.

but even mounting orientation shouldn't be confusing - there are
horizontal [side draft] carbs like dcoe webers, and there are 4-point
vertical throttle bodies like the 2000 civic.


> and had a carb-type air-cleaner.


what is a "carb type" air cleaner??? dpfi had exactly the same air
cleaner as the 4-point injected si of the same years [look up the part
numbers], and was the same general type as all their contemporaneous
injected engines.


>
> I believe all Acura models since the beginning in 1986 have always had port
> fuel-injection.
>
> I think Honda only ever made one RWD car, the S600; all other Honda cars
> until the S2000 were FWD, or AWD.


let's re-phrase this:
"honda only ever made /two/ rwd cars, the s600 and the s2000. all other
honda cars were fwd or awd.


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Old 05 Jul 2012, 07:13 am
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In article <XnsA082B80FB3953tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:

> I think Honda only ever made one RWD car, the S600; all other Honda cars
> until the S2000 were FWD, or AWD.


NSX.
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Old 05 Jul 2012, 07:19 am
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
news:elmop-9795E2.08132105072012@news.eternal-september.org:

> In article <XnsA082B80FB3953tegger@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:
>
>> I think Honda only ever made one RWD car, the S600; all other Honda
>> cars until the S2000 were FWD, or AWD.

>
>
> NSX.
>



Forgot about that one.


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Old 06 Jul 2012, 03:56 am
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On 07/06/2012 06:24 AM, Tegger wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty"<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
> 505296.09105406072012@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>
>>
>> Shoot, even Honda's pretty much forgotten about that one. Of all the
>> cars to forget about...
>>

>
>
> Wasn't that Honda's first rear-engine car? And the first with a V6? And the
> first with VTEC?


vtec was pretty much simultaneous on the b-series and d-series, in
addition to the nsx's c-series engines. not all were sold here in the
same timeframe of course, but that's a different matter.

and don't forget honda's involvement in f1. in the 80's their engines
supplied lotus, mclaren and williams iirc and were regular winners.


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