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Old 19 Jun 2012, 09:38 am
Douglas C. Neidermeyer
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Default A/T Maintenance

Took my Accord V6, A/T, 39.000 miles in to dealer for routine "A2"
maintenance and the service writer weasel said I also needed a
transmission flush.

I passed because transmission fluid replacement is a "3" in the
maintenance minder. Also, the owner's manual says with severe service,
it should be changed at 60,000 miles-- so I'm assuming with normal
driving (my usage), fluid replacement is a good bit more than 60K.

So what is the typical mileage range for a "3" to display calling for
fluid change? I'm just wondering how badly the weasel was trying to
stick it to me?


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Old 19 Jun 2012, 03:58 pm
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Default Re: A/T Maintenance

In article <jrq2u1$frn$1@news.albasani.net>,
"Douglas C. Neidermeyer" <sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> wrote:

> Took my Accord V6, A/T, 39.000 miles in to dealer for routine "A2"
> maintenance and the service writer weasel said I also needed a
> transmission flush.


hmmmmm, "wallet" doesn't usually start with a "t"....
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Old 20 Jun 2012, 12:55 am
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Default Re: A/T Maintenance

On 06/19/2012 07:38 AM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
> Took my Accord V6, A/T, 39.000 miles in to dealer for routine "A2"
> maintenance and the service writer weasel said I also needed a
> transmission flush.
>
> I passed because transmission fluid replacement is a "3" in the
> maintenance minder. Also, the owner's manual says with severe service,
> it should be changed at 60,000 miles-- so I'm assuming with normal
> driving (my usage), fluid replacement is a good bit more than 60K.
>
> So what is the typical mileage range for a "3" to display calling for
> fluid change? I'm just wondering how badly the weasel was trying to
> stick it to me?


as elmo says, the only people benefiting from any "flushing" are the
shop from your wallet. honda factory [who is not the dealer who just
gets paid on selling you stuff] specifically say /not/ to flush, only
drain and fill.

as to mileage, it depends on the age of your vehicle. if it's one of
the ones with all the transmission problems, you are definitely best
advised to go with a frequent change schedule. i can't recall the
problem years, and you can probably look them up just as quickly as i
can, but if you have any doubts, do the drain and fill, and try to be
present when the drain plug is removed. if the plug magnet is badly
fouled with metal particles, you might want to consider installing an
in-line filter on the oil cooler line. if not, then just make a note of
the fact that the 60k schedule is going to be just fine.


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Old 20 Jun 2012, 03:44 am
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Default Re: A/T Maintenance

jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:jrrokk$q4m$1@dont-email.me:

> On 06/19/2012 07:38 AM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
>> Took my Accord V6, A/T, 39.000 miles in to dealer for routine "A2"
>> maintenance and the service writer weasel said I also needed a
>> transmission flush.
>>
>> I passed because transmission fluid replacement is a "3" in the
>> maintenance minder. Also, the owner's manual says with severe service,
>> it should be changed at 60,000 miles-- so I'm assuming with normal
>> driving (my usage), fluid replacement is a good bit more than 60K.
>>
>> So what is the typical mileage range for a "3" to display calling for
>> fluid change? I'm just wondering how badly the weasel was trying to
>> stick it to me?

>
> as elmo says, the only people benefiting from any "flushing" are the
> shop from your wallet. honda factory [who is not the dealer who just
> gets paid on selling you stuff] specifically say /not/ to flush, only
> drain and fill.
>
> as to mileage, it depends on the age of your vehicle. if it's one of
> the ones with all the transmission problems, you are definitely best
> advised to go with a frequent change schedule. i can't recall the
> problem years, and you can probably look them up just as quickly as i
> can, but if you have any doubts, do the drain and fill, and try to be
> present when the drain plug is removed. if the plug magnet is badly
> fouled with metal particles, you might want to consider installing an
> in-line filter on the oil cooler line. if not, then just make a note

of
> the fact that the 60k schedule is going to be just fine.

I agree completely with the previous posters but would add: Pull the
tranny dipstick and look at the condition of the fluid. Is it dark,
brown, smells burnt, and is there any indication of contaminates/bubbles
etc. Your fluid condition should tell you if there is a reason to "drain
and refill". I would definitely stay away from any sort of "flush".
DaveD
>
>


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Old 20 Jun 2012, 05:20 am
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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In article <jrrokk$q4m$1@dont-email.me>, jim beam <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

> as elmo says, the only people benefiting from any "flushing" are the
> shop from your wallet...


> as to mileage, it depends on the age of your vehicle. if it's one of
> the ones with all the transmission problems, you are definitely best
> advised to go with a frequent change schedule.


To be fair:

a) Honda did have (I'm being gentle here) problematic transmissions for
a number of years. V6 vehicles. Generally, the 98 through mid-04
models.

b) as jim says, Honda says specifically not to "flush"--but Honda does
specify a routine for a more complete exchange of old fluid for new,
should you want to do that. It's a simple drain/fill/drive cycle
repeated three times.
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Old 20 Jun 2012, 08:14 am
Douglas C. Neidermeyer
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Default Re: A/T Maintenance

On 6/20/12 6:20 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<jrrokk$q4m$1@dont-email.me>, jim beam<me@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>> as elmo says, the only people benefiting from any "flushing" are the
>> shop from your wallet...

>
>> as to mileage, it depends on the age of your vehicle. if it's one of
>> the ones with all the transmission problems, you are definitely best
>> advised to go with a frequent change schedule.

>
> To be fair:
>
> a) Honda did have (I'm being gentle here) problematic transmissions for
> a number of years. V6 vehicles. Generally, the 98 through mid-04
> models.
>
> b) as jim says, Honda says specifically not to "flush"--but Honda does
> specify a routine for a more complete exchange of old fluid for new,
> should you want to do that. It's a simple drain/fill/drive cycle
> repeated three times.


a) It's a 2007. The most recent Consumer Reports frequency of repair
stats-- based on 5 years of history-- show a less than 1% incidence of
major transmission problems and a 1%-2% rate for minor problems-- so I
guess I'm outside the problem range.

b) Do you recall where you saw the "don't flush" warning-- owner's
manual, TSB, news article? I'd really like to read it.


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Old 20 Jun 2012, 09:02 am
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On 6/20/2012 8:14 AM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
>
> b) Do you recall where you saw the "don't flush" warning-- owner's
> manual, TSB, news article? I'd really like to read it.


You can probably Google it and come up with more information than you
really want.

FWIW, my own mechanic - 35+ years with dealerships and now on his own -
told me several stories about the obscene profit margin to the dealers
on that single facet of the business. He laughs and says it's really a
great deal for the dealers and, at best, "maybe won't mess up your
transmission." The fluids used for the flushing aren't all that
expensive but even so, the manufacturer/distributors GIVES the expensive
equipment to the dealership just to get them to buy their product, mark
it up like gold, and sell it to the unsuspecting public.

Pretty much the Gillette principal. Give them the razor and sell them
the blades!



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Old 20 Jun 2012, 09:37 am
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On 06/20/2012 06:14 AM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
> On 6/20/12 6:20 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> In article<jrrokk$q4m$1@dont-email.me>, jim beam<me@privacy.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> as elmo says, the only people benefiting from any "flushing" are the
>>> shop from your wallet...

>>
>>> as to mileage, it depends on the age of your vehicle. if it's one of
>>> the ones with all the transmission problems, you are definitely best
>>> advised to go with a frequent change schedule.

>>
>> To be fair:
>>
>> a) Honda did have (I'm being gentle here) problematic transmissions for
>> a number of years. V6 vehicles. Generally, the 98 through mid-04
>> models.
>>
>> b) as jim says, Honda says specifically not to "flush"--but Honda does
>> specify a routine for a more complete exchange of old fluid for new,
>> should you want to do that. It's a simple drain/fill/drive cycle
>> repeated three times.

>
> a) It's a 2007. The most recent Consumer Reports frequency of repair
> stats-- based on 5 years of history-- show a less than 1% incidence of
> major transmission problems and a 1%-2% rate for minor problems-- so I
> guess I'm outside the problem range.


you might be out of the range, but, with respect, any form of reliance
on "consumer reports" is simply insane.


>
> b) Do you recall where you saw the "don't flush" warning-- owner's
> manual, TSB, news article? I'd really like to read it.


dig through the tsb's on tegger's website.


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Old 20 Jun 2012, 10:28 am
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jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 06/20/2012 06:14 AM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
>> On 6/20/12 6:20 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> In article<jrrokk$q4m$1@dont-email.me>, jim beam<me@privacy.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> as elmo says, the only people benefiting from any "flushing" are the
>>>> shop from your wallet...
>>>
>>>> as to mileage, it depends on the age of your vehicle. if it's one of
>>>> the ones with all the transmission problems, you are definitely best
>>>> advised to go with a frequent change schedule.
>>>
>>> To be fair:
>>>
>>> a) Honda did have (I'm being gentle here) problematic transmissions for
>>> a number of years. V6 vehicles. Generally, the 98 through mid-04
>>> models.
>>>
>>> b) as jim says, Honda says specifically not to "flush"--but Honda does
>>> specify a routine for a more complete exchange of old fluid for new,
>>> should you want to do that. It's a simple drain/fill/drive cycle
>>> repeated three times.

>>
>> a) It's a 2007. The most recent Consumer Reports frequency of repair
>> stats-- based on 5 years of history-- show a less than 1% incidence of
>> major transmission problems and a 1%-2% rate for minor problems-- so I
>> guess I'm outside the problem range.

>
> you might be out of the range, but, with respect, any form of reliance on
> "consumer reports" is simply insane.
>
>
>>
>> b) Do you recall where you saw the "don't flush" warning-- owner's
>> manual, TSB, news article? I'd really like to read it.

>
> dig through the tsb's on tegger's website.
>



Reliance on some of CR's conclusions and recommendations which are often
grounded in their underlying socialistic, "government regulation is good"
ideology is insane-- but me drawing my own conclusions based on their
presentation of substantial auto reliability data (albeit based on
subscriber self-report) puts me on pretty solid ground and far from a
straight-jacket wardrobe...
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Old 20 Jun 2012, 08:12 pm
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"Douglas C. Neidermeyer" <sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> wrote in news:jrsibo
$4od$1@news.albasani.net:


> b) Do you recall where you saw the "don't flush" warning-- owner's
> manual, TSB, news article? I'd really like to read it.
>
>



From the February 2006 issue of "Honda Service News", the publication
produced by Honda for its franchised American dealers (the Canadian edition
is called "Shop Talk", or "Le Talk du Shop", in French):

Flush Systems: A Big Taboo
--------------------------
In Honda vehicles, the transmission, as well as the
systems that handle lubrication, cooling, fuel, and
power steering, are designed to give thousands of
miles of trouble-free service if you follow the
maintenance schedule to the letter.
Flush systems are a popular aftermarket offering
these days. These products look impressive and
make lots of claims, but American Honda strongly
recommends you avoid using them on any Honda
vehicle. Here’s why:
• The maintenance schedule neither requires
nor approves of aftermarket flush systems.
• Flush systems take time to do; this adds to
your service customer’s wait time.
• Flush systems haven’t demonstrated an
improvement in vehicle performance or
reliability.
• Flush systems using solvents may leave
solvent in the system you’re flushing. This will
dilute the fluid or lubricant and degrade its
performance.
• Flush systems using filters can filter out vital
additives and degrade the fluid’s or lubricant’s
performance. This is particularly true for
coolant.
• Any damage caused by flush systems isn’t
covered by warranty.


PS: I might have made up the French name for the Canadian edition...

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