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Old 06 Jun 2012, 04:51 pm
jaynews@verizon.net
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Default Do I really need new timing belt on '03 TL w/ only 23.8K miles??

I have a 2003 Acura TL (purchased in November 2002) with 23,800 miles
on it. The dealer is recommending I have the timing belt
changed,because the manual says it should be done every 7 years
regardless of the mileage. It costs around $840 with their current
$100 discount, and this includes the timing belt, water pump, drive
belt, and I think up to 1 gallon of coolant.

NOTE: The dealer told me there is no way to inspect the condition of
the belt because it is hidden.

Do I REALLY need to have this done on a car with only 23,800 miles on
it (even though the manual does say it should be done every 7 years
regardless of the mileage) or should I wait? If so, then when should
I get it done? Let me know what you recommend.


Thanks,


Jay

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Old 06 Jun 2012, 05:04 pm
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Default Re: Do I really need new timing belt on '03 TL w/ only 23.8K miles??


<jaynews@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1efa75b4-b06b-4f81-9325-60b55a0c866d@f7g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> I have a 2003 Acura TL (purchased in November 2002) with 23,800 miles
> on it. The dealer is recommending I have the timing belt
> changed,because the manual says it should be done every 7 years
> regardless of the mileage. It costs around $840 with their current
> $100 discount, and this includes the timing belt, water pump, drive
> belt, and I think up to 1 gallon of coolant.
>
> NOTE: The dealer told me there is no way to inspect the condition of
> the belt because it is hidden.


Correct.

> Do I REALLY need to have this done on a car with only 23,800 miles on
> it (even though the manual does say it should be done every 7 years
> regardless of the mileage) or should I wait? If so, then when should
> I get it done? Let me know what you recommend.


Yes, you are past due. The timing belt does deteriorate over time hence why
they give a mileage and time value, whichever comes first. If it will
actually snap or not is a gamble. If it goes bad it could do a little
damage to your engine, it could do a lot. Your call on if you want to take
that risk.

As for the price, shop around. A good independent shop could come in at a
much lower price. And yes, you do want to do the water pump at the same
time.




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Old 06 Jun 2012, 05:17 pm
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Default Re: Do I really need new timing belt on '03 TL w/ only 23.8K miles??

On 6/6/12 5:51 PM, jaynews@verizon.net wrote:
> I have a 2003 Acura TL (purchased in November 2002) with 23,800 miles
> on it. The dealer is recommending I have the timing belt
> changed,because the manual says it should be done every 7 years
> regardless of the mileage. It costs around $840 with their current
> $100 discount, and this includes the timing belt, water pump, drive
> belt, and I think up to 1 gallon of coolant.
>
> NOTE: The dealer told me there is no way to inspect the condition of
> the belt because it is hidden.
>
> Do I REALLY need to have this done on a car with only 23,800 miles on
> it (even though the manual does say it should be done every 7 years
> regardless of the mileage) or should I wait? If so, then when should
> I get it done? Let me know what you recommend.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Jay
>


RTFM and DWIS.

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Old 06 Jun 2012, 05:27 pm
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> Yes, you are past due. *The timing belt does deteriorate over time hence why
> they give a mileage and time value, whichever comes first. *If it will
> actually snap or not is a gamble. *If it goes bad it could do a little
> damage to your engine, it could do a lot. *Your call on if you want to take
> that risk.
>
> As for the price, shop around. *A good independent shop could come in at a
> much lower price. *And yes, you do want to do the water pump at the same
> time.


Thanks. Is there any correlation between the condition of the visible
rubber belt(s) under the hood versus the timing belt. In other words,
if the belt(s) that are visible look okay, then is it likely that the
timing belt is still okay, or is there no correlation?
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Old 06 Jun 2012, 05:50 pm
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Default Re: Do I really need new timing belt on '03 TL w/ only 23.8K miles??


<jaynews@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:4d0548f0-0dbc-459a-b6f5-ecacfe0f637f@o17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

> Yes, you are past due. The timing belt does deteriorate over time
> hence why
> they give a mileage and time value, whichever comes first. If it
> will
> actually snap or not is a gamble. If it goes bad it could do a
> little
> damage to your engine, it could do a lot. Your call on if you want
> to take
> that risk.
>
> As for the price, shop around. A good independent shop could come in
> at a
> much lower price. And yes, you do want to do the water pump at the
> same
> time.


Thanks. Is there any correlation between the condition of the visible
rubber belt(s) under the hood versus the timing belt. In other words,
if the belt(s) that are visible look okay, then is it likely that the
timing belt is still okay, or is there no correlation?
-------
Pretty informative.....

http://www.youngsgarage.uk.com/timin..._and_myths.htm


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Old 06 Jun 2012, 07:04 pm
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Default Re: Do I really need new timing belt on '03 TL w/ only 23.8K miles??

In article
<1efa75b4-b06b-4f81-9325-60b55a0c866d@f7g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
jaynews@verizon.net wrote:

> I have a 2003 Acura TL (purchased in November 2002) with 23,800 miles
> on it. The dealer is recommending I have the timing belt
> changed,because the manual says it should be done every 7 years
> regardless of the mileage.


So far so good.


> It costs around $840


what does that have to do with anything?


> NOTE: The dealer told me there is no way to inspect the condition of
> the belt because it is hidden.


....and because there is no way to inspect the condition of the belt even
if it were in plain sight. You cannot evaluate the level of material
degradation simply by looking at it.



> Do I REALLY need to have this done on a car with only 23,800 miles on
> it (even though the manual does say it should be done every 7 years
> regardless of the mileage)


Why are you questioning the owner's manual?

Oh, wait--you mentioned $840...got it.

Fact: tires last no longer than 5 years before they become unsafe, and
your TB also degrades over time.

It has nothing to do with use.

BTW, ask your dealer what are the consequences of your NOT changing the
belt, and then it breaks while you're driving it. Hint: $840 will
suddenly seem like a very small amount of money.
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Old 06 Jun 2012, 07:06 pm
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Default Re: Do I really need new timing belt on '03 TL w/ only 23.8K miles??

In article
<4d0548f0-0dbc-459a-b6f5-ecacfe0f637f@o17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
jaynews@verizon.net wrote:

> Is there any correlation between the condition of the visible
> rubber belt(s) under the hood versus the timing belt. In other words,
> if the belt(s) that are visible look okay, then is it likely that the
> timing belt is still okay


man, you are REALLY pulling shit out of thin air here, desperate to
avoid having to maintain the car you bought.

How about looking at the tires? How about looking at the power steering
fluid? Maybe you want to try to correlate the condition of your floor
mats with the timing belt--"hey, look, floor mats are OK, therefore the
TB is OK!"

You can solve this entire problem simply by leasing a new car every
three years. No maintenance involved; problem solved.
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Old 06 Jun 2012, 07:57 pm
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Default Re: Do I really need new timing belt on '03 TL w/ only 23.8K miles??

jaynews@verizon.net wrote in news:4d0548f0-0dbc-459a-b6f5-
ecacfe0f637f@o17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:

>
>> Yes, you are past due. *The timing belt does deteriorate over time henc

> e why
>> they give a mileage and time value, whichever comes first. *If it will
>> actually snap or not is a gamble. *If it goes bad it could do a little
>> damage to your engine, it could do a lot. *Your call on if you want to

> take
>> that risk.
>>
>> As for the price, shop around. *A good independent shop could come in a

> t a
>> much lower price. *And yes, you do want to do the water pump at the sam

> e
>> time.

>
> Thanks. Is there any correlation between the condition of the visible
> rubber belt(s) under the hood versus the timing belt.




No.


> In other words,
> if the belt(s) that are visible look okay, then is it likely that the
> timing belt is still okay, or is there no correlation?




No correlation. You can't go by the appearance of the belt. The belt fails
because the carcass weakens, not because the teeth become visibly worn.

The belt is a combination of rubber and fabric, with the fabric being the
structural medium. But rubber ages. As it does so, it begins to delaminate
from the rubber, which eventually causes the teeth to strip. You can't see
this with the naked eye until after the event.

If the teeth should strip, you're looking at about a 50-50 chance of valve
damage. That puts the cost of belt replacement at least double what it
would have been. Are you a gamblin' man?


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Old 06 Jun 2012, 08:22 pm
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Default Re: Do I really need new timing belt on '03 TL w/ only 23.8K miles??

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:51:13 -0700 (PDT), jaynews@verizon.net wrote:

>I have a 2003 Acura TL (purchased in November 2002) with 23,800 miles
>on it. The dealer is recommending I have the timing belt
>changed,because the manual says it should be done every 7 years
>regardless of the mileage. It costs around $840 with their current
>$100 discount, and this includes the timing belt, water pump, drive
>belt, and I think up to 1 gallon of coolant.
>
>NOTE: The dealer told me there is no way to inspect the condition of
>the belt because it is hidden.
>
>Do I REALLY need to have this done on a car with only 23,800 miles on
>it (even though the manual does say it should be done every 7 years
>regardless of the mileage) or should I wait? If so, then when should
>I get it done? Let me know what you recommend.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Jay


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Old 06 Jun 2012, 08:24 pm
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J.L.Hemmer <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in
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>
> Do you feel lucky? Well, do you?
>
>




You forgot the "punk", Callahan.


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