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Old 26 Jul 2007, 09:39 pm
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Good day.

The filler neck tube on my other car (93 altima) is starting to rust through.

Instead of replacing with a dealer part, could I cut the rusty part of the
tube out and put a rubber (fuel proof) hose in between?

For now, we put some rubber around the area with the hole and put hose clamps
around it.

Any ideas or thoughts are appreciated!

t

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Old 28 Jul 2007, 05:14 am
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:39:41 +0000, loewent via CarKB.com wrote:

> Good day.
>
> The filler neck tube on my other car (93 altima) is starting to rust
> through.
>
> Instead of replacing with a dealer part, could I cut the rusty part of the
> tube out and put a rubber (fuel proof) hose in between?
>
> For now, we put some rubber around the area with the hole and put hose
> clamps around it.
>
> Any ideas or thoughts are appreciated!
>
> t



Buy the Real Deal.
I *CAN'T* for my '88 Supra and am having a HELL of a time trying to patch
it with various methods.


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Old 28 Jul 2007, 11:38 am
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well the part is over $300 from the dealer. Guess I'm looking for a more
cost effective solution.

If I had your supra, on the other hand, I would agree.

The Altima is just a commuter though, not a collectors item.

I'm heading to the wrecker to see if I can find one in better shape than mine.
I think I will get lucky, as there is a rubber hose after the filler neck
going to the tank, so when they remove the tank, I'm thinking they must cut
the rubber hose and not the filler neck. Here's hoping anyways!

Either that, or I will try to find the right size hose. The only issue with
the hose is that without a flare on the end of the tube, I don't know if a
rubber hose will stay on with just a hose clamp.

Thanks for the response!

t

Hachiroku * wrote:
>> Good day.
>>

>[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>
>> t

>
>Buy the Real Deal.
>I *CAN'T* for my '88 Supra and am having a HELL of a time trying to patch
>it with various methods.


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Old 28 Jul 2007, 02:40 pm
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
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> I *CAN'T* for my '88 Supra and am having a HELL of a time trying to patch
> it with various methods.


Hachi,
Perhaps you need to think outside the, er, chassis a bit. In the final
analysis it's just a thin wall steel tube with various bends is it not?
Perhaps there's an inner "burp" tube as well.

I'd start with talking to the local exhaust shop and see if they can bend up
a suitable piece. If not, or exhaust tube is too thick, check local metal
shops or hotrod fabricators for someone with a mandrel tube bender.

The final issue is getting the new tube protected from rust. Again, look
for a local metal plating place to zinc plate it inside and out. Or buy one
of the small part home plating kits you can find on the net. Get the outside
powder or epoxy painted if you like.

Stewart DIBBS


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Old 29 Jul 2007, 07:22 am
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"loewent via CarKB.com" wrote:
>
> Good day.
>
> The filler neck tube on my other car (93 altima) is starting to rust
> through.
>
> Instead of replacing with a dealer part, could I cut the rusty part of the
> tube out and put a rubber (fuel proof) hose in between?
>
> For now, we put some rubber around the area with the hole and put hose
> clamps around it.
>
> Any ideas or thoughts are appreciated!


There is likely rust in areas of the filler neck other than just where it's
leaking. This rust will continue to spread. It will contaminate the rest
of your fuel system, fuel pump, filter, and injectors. It's best to just
fix it and be done with it.

Eric
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Old 29 Jul 2007, 03:09 pm
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Default Re: filler neck tube

so would replacing the rusted steel pipe with a rubber hose work?

Eric wrote:
>> Good day.
>>

>[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
>> Any ideas or thoughts are appreciated!

>
>There is likely rust in areas of the filler neck other than just where it's
>leaking. This rust will continue to spread. It will contaminate the rest
>of your fuel system, fuel pump, filter, and injectors. It's best to just
>fix it and be done with it.
>
>Eric


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Old 30 Jul 2007, 10:42 pm
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OK so I ended up going to the local wrecker. Found a car that someone had
obviously taken care of well, the bolts I needed to undo for the filler neck
came out very easily. Compared to the ones on my car that snapped both bolt
heads off. (Drill, tap, repeat...) Every time I have to get a bolt off on
that car, I snap one at least. I even use impact (lightly) instead of just a
wrench. Frustrating....

I took the tube to the car wash and very carefully washed the dirt and loose
crap off of it. Got home, and lightly used a steel brush to remove more crap.
This was also a good opportunity to ensure that this tube was sound.

After I cleaned it, I applied rust killer primer to the entire surface of the
tube. After that I applied spray rubber to the entire surface. Reason
behind this was because the mounting holes for the protective plastic shield
had rusted off. The filler neck is now exposed to rocks and debris coming
from the tires, and I thought it would be wise to give the tube a little
cushion. After all the treatment that this part got, I am assuming it will
be the last sound part on the car!

Mounted it all up, and every thing appears to be OK. The moment of truth
will be when I fill it with gas tomorrow.... very carefully! I am certain
its OK though.

If this solution fails, my next try will be some Eaton Aeroquip FC300 or
FC350 hose. This is what we use as diesel fuel lines at my work on Touring
coaches, It won't collapse, and it is fuel proof.

Thanks for all suggestions, any comments are appreciated.

t

loewent wrote:
>so would replacing the rusted steel pipe with a rubber hose work?
>
>>> Good day.
>>>

>[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
>>Eric


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Old 31 Jul 2007, 05:31 am
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:38:09 +0000, loewent via CarKB.com wrote:

> well the part is over $300 from the dealer. Guess I'm looking for a more
> cost effective solution.



HOLY CRAP!!!!! The tube for the Supra, if I could get it, is $135!!!! I
thought *THAT* was a lot!!!

Try looking on line for dealers that sell over the Internet at wholesale
prices. You should be able to beat this price like a red-headed stepchild!!!



>
> If I had your supra, on the other hand, I would agree.
>
> The Altima is just a commuter though, not a collectors item.
>
> I'm heading to the wrecker to see if I can find one in better shape than
> mine. I think I will get lucky, as there is a rubber hose after the filler
> neck going to the tank, so when they remove the tank, I'm thinking they
> must cut the rubber hose and not the filler neck. Here's hoping anyways!
>
> Either that, or I will try to find the right size hose. The only issue
> with the hose is that without a flare on the end of the tube, I don't know
> if a rubber hose will stay on with just a hose clamp.
>
> Thanks for the response!
>
> t
>
> Hachiroku * wrote:
>>> Good day.
>>>

>>[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>>
>>> t

>>
>>Buy the Real Deal.
>>I *CAN'T* for my '88 Supra and am having a HELL of a time trying to patch
>>it with various methods.


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Old 31 Jul 2007, 05:32 am
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:40:58 -0400, Stewart DIBBS wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:IFEqi.128$9I3.103@trndny06...
>> I *CAN'T* for my '88 Supra and am having a HELL of a time trying to
>> patch it with various methods.

>
> Hachi,
> Perhaps you need to think outside the, er, chassis a bit. In the final
> analysis it's just a thin wall steel tube with various bends is it not?
> Perhaps there's an inner "burp" tube as well.
>
> I'd start with talking to the local exhaust shop and see if they can bend
> up a suitable piece. If not, or exhaust tube is too thick, check local
> metal shops or hotrod fabricators for someone with a mandrel tube bender.
>
> The final issue is getting the new tube protected from rust. Again, look
> for a local metal plating place to zinc plate it inside and out. Or buy
> one of the small part home plating kits you can find on the net. Get the
> outside powder or epoxy painted if you like.
>
> Stewart DIBBS



(Didn't you used to frequent the Toyota group???)

Yeah, I was thinking about that. There is a 'burp' tube inside, too.

The other alternative is that there is a race car builder in my area that
makes fuel cells; one of these days I'll actually call him!!!


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Old 31 Jul 2007, 09:54 pm
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
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> (Didn't you used to frequent the Toyota group???)


Yup, still do, also this one, and the mitsubishi group, as I have a Summit
Wagon AWD and a "Talonized" Summit GTX coupe.

SD


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