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Old 29 Mar 2012, 08:32 am
Peter Kemp
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Default Starting electrical problem

Yesterday my wife got in her car and it wouldn't start. She had someone
jump her and drove the car home. When she got in the garage, she turned
off and tried to start it and we discovered that the car's electrical
system was completely dead -- no lights or sounds at all. I started
investigating and checked the main fuse under the hood - not blown. I
removed the + terminal and cleaned and reconnected. Car started up just
fine. Sent her on her way to church.

15 minutes later she calls and the car just stopped running. I went and
did the same thing and it started up again. Switched cars and drove it
home with a stop at O-Reilly. Wouldn't start after pulling into parking
space. Had them do an electrical test. Battery and alternator working
as they should. After he tested the battery, the car started up again
for the alternator test.

Drove it home. Discovered that I could go through a couple of start
stop and then on the next sart I here a click under the hood and the
electrical is dead. I left the terminal loose and pulled it off and put
it back on. The car starts. The above procedure consistently ends in
the same results.

I'm thinking there must be a relay that is sticking and removing the
current causes the relay to release. Not sure where that would be.

Does this sound familiar to anyone and can you let me know how to solve it?

THanks in advance for any help that can be given.

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Old 29 Mar 2012, 01:35 pm
Jim Yanik
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Peter Kemp <peterkemp@verizon.net> wrote in
news:2012032908323037524-peterkemp@verizonnet:

> Yesterday my wife got in her car and it wouldn't start. She had
> someone jump her and drove the car home. When she got in the garage,
> she turned off and tried to start it and we discovered that the car's
> electrical system was completely dead -- no lights or sounds at all. I
> started investigating and checked the main fuse under the hood - not
> blown. I removed the + terminal and cleaned and reconnected. Car
> started up just fine. Sent her on her way to church.
>
> 15 minutes later she calls and the car just stopped running. I went
> and did the same thing and it started up again. Switched cars and
> drove it home with a stop at O-Reilly. Wouldn't start after pulling
> into parking space. Had them do an electrical test. Battery and
> alternator working as they should. After he tested the battery, the
> car started up again for the alternator test.
>
> Drove it home. Discovered that I could go through a couple of start
> stop and then on the next sart I here a click under the hood and the
> electrical is dead. I left the terminal loose and pulled it off and
> put it back on. The car starts. The above procedure consistently ends
> in the same results.
>
> I'm thinking there must be a relay that is sticking and removing the
> current causes the relay to release. Not sure where that would be.
>
> Does this sound familiar to anyone and can you let me know how to
> solve it?
>
> THanks in advance for any help that can be given.
>
>


what kind of car?
make,model,year,auto or stick,that is all ESSENTIAL information anyone
would need to even begin research.

also,did you try to GOOGLE your problem?


BTW,at the next failure,you might try measuring the voltage on the battery
cable with a DMM BEFORE you pull the connector and "reset".
maybe you have a cracked battery post or other internal battery
intermittent.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
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Old 29 Mar 2012, 04:48 pm
Peter Kemp
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Default Re: Starting electrical problem

Doh! Got so wrapped up in the story, I forgot about the car.

03 Accord Coupe w/ V6.

The battery is a diehard that's less than a year old.

After this post this morning, I took the car to my mechanic and -- of
course -- the car worked fine and I couldn't reproduce the problem. 10
minutes ago, I went to start the car and there goes the click and the
dead electrical system.

Hope you have an answer.

On 2012-03-29 18:35:20 +0000, Jim Yanik said:

> Peter Kemp <peterkemp@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:2012032908323037524-peterkemp@verizonnet:
>
>> Yesterday my wife got in her car and it wouldn't start. She had
>> someone jump her and drove the car home. When she got in the garage,
>> she turned off and tried to start it and we discovered that the car's
>> electrical system was completely dead -- no lights or sounds at all. I
>> started investigating and checked the main fuse under the hood - not
>> blown. I removed the + terminal and cleaned and reconnected. Car
>> started up just fine. Sent her on her way to church.
>>
>> 15 minutes later she calls and the car just stopped running. I went
>> and did the same thing and it started up again. Switched cars and
>> drove it home with a stop at O-Reilly. Wouldn't start after pulling
>> into parking space. Had them do an electrical test. Battery and
>> alternator working as they should. After he tested the battery, the
>> car started up again for the alternator test.
>>
>> Drove it home. Discovered that I could go through a couple of start
>> stop and then on the next sart I here a click under the hood and the
>> electrical is dead. I left the terminal loose and pulled it off and
>> put it back on. The car starts. The above procedure consistently ends
>> in the same results.
>>
>> I'm thinking there must be a relay that is sticking and removing the
>> current causes the relay to release. Not sure where that would be.
>>
>> Does this sound familiar to anyone and can you let me know how to
>> solve it?
>>
>> THanks in advance for any help that can be given.
>>
>>

>
> what kind of car?
> make,model,year,auto or stick,that is all ESSENTIAL information anyone
> would need to even begin research.
>
> also,did you try to GOOGLE your problem?
>
>
> BTW,at the next failure,you might try measuring the voltage on the battery
> cable with a DMM BEFORE you pull the connector and "reset".
> maybe you have a cracked battery post or other internal battery
> intermittent.



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Old 29 Mar 2012, 07:51 pm
Jim Yanik
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Peter Kemp <peterkemp@verizon.net> wrote in
news:2012032916483567053-peterkemp@verizonnet:

> Doh! Got so wrapped up in the story, I forgot about the car.
>
> 03 Accord Coupe w/ V6.
>
> The battery is a diehard that's less than a year old.
>
> After this post this morning, I took the car to my mechanic and -- of
> course -- the car worked fine and I couldn't reproduce the problem. 10
> minutes ago, I went to start the car and there goes the click and the
> dead electrical system.
>
> Hope you have an answer.
>
> On 2012-03-29 18:35:20 +0000, Jim Yanik said:
>
>> Peter Kemp <peterkemp@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:2012032908323037524-peterkemp@verizonnet:
>>
>>> Yesterday my wife got in her car and it wouldn't start. She had
>>> someone jump her and drove the car home. When she got in the garage,
>>> she turned off and tried to start it and we discovered that the
>>> car's electrical system was completely dead -- no lights or sounds
>>> at all. I started investigating and checked the main fuse under the
>>> hood - not blown. I removed the + terminal and cleaned and
>>> reconnected. Car started up just fine. Sent her on her way to
>>> church.
>>>
>>> 15 minutes later she calls and the car just stopped running. I went
>>> and did the same thing and it started up again. Switched cars and
>>> drove it home with a stop at O-Reilly. Wouldn't start after pulling
>>> into parking space. Had them do an electrical test. Battery and
>>> alternator working as they should. After he tested the battery, the
>>> car started up again for the alternator test.
>>>
>>> Drove it home. Discovered that I could go through a couple of start
>>> stop and then on the next sart I here a click under the hood and the
>>> electrical is dead. I left the terminal loose and pulled it off and
>>> put it back on. The car starts. The above procedure consistently
>>> ends in the same results.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking there must be a relay that is sticking and removing the
>>> current causes the relay to release. Not sure where that would be.
>>>
>>> Does this sound familiar to anyone and can you let me know how to
>>> solve it?
>>>
>>> THanks in advance for any help that can be given.
>>>
>>>

>>
>> what kind of car?
>> make,model,year,auto or stick,that is all ESSENTIAL information
>> anyone would need to even begin research.
>>
>> also,did you try to GOOGLE your problem?
>>
>>
>> BTW,at the next failure,you might try measuring the voltage on the
>> battery cable with a DMM BEFORE you pull the connector and "reset".
>> maybe you have a cracked battery post or other internal battery
>> intermittent.

>
>
>


after doing a GOOGLE search,it could be a bad battery CABLE or part of the
wiring harness,since you aren't getting power to your lights or other
stuff.
you'll have to wait until it fails again,and then start measuring with a
voltmeter(DMM;digital multimeter)to see if you're getting voltage to the
OTHER end of the main battery cables.
like voltage at the main fuse box and to the starter.
Don't overlook the negative (ground) cable or ground wiring. you might just
have a loose or corroded ground wire.(or worse,more than one bad ground)

perhaps when you remove the battery connector,you re-establish a connection
in the cable. In one guy's post,he had a corroded cable.
another guy,it sounded like he had a bad ignition switch,but that would not
affect your lights.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
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Old 29 Mar 2012, 08:09 pm
Jim Yanik
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Peter Kemp <peterkemp@verizon.net> wrote in
news:2012032916483567053-peterkemp@verizonnet:

> Doh! Got so wrapped up in the story, I forgot about the car.
>
> 03 Accord Coupe w/ V6.
>
> The battery is a diehard that's less than a year old.
>
> After this post this morning, I took the car to my mechanic and -- of
> course -- the car worked fine and I couldn't reproduce the problem. 10
> minutes ago, I went to start the car and there goes the click and the
> dead electrical system.
>
> Hope you have an answer.
>
> On 2012-03-29 18:35:20 +0000, Jim Yanik said:
>
>> Peter Kemp <peterkemp@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:2012032908323037524-peterkemp@verizonnet:
>>
>>> Yesterday my wife got in her car and it wouldn't start. She had
>>> someone jump her and drove the car home. When she got in the garage,
>>> she turned off and tried to start it and we discovered that the
>>> car's electrical system was completely dead -- no lights or sounds
>>> at all. I started investigating and checked the main fuse under the
>>> hood - not blown. I removed the + terminal and cleaned and
>>> reconnected. Car started up just fine. Sent her on her way to
>>> church.
>>>
>>> 15 minutes later she calls and the car just stopped running. I went
>>> and did the same thing and it started up again. Switched cars and
>>> drove it home with a stop at O-Reilly. Wouldn't start after pulling
>>> into parking space. Had them do an electrical test. Battery and
>>> alternator working as they should. After he tested the battery, the
>>> car started up again for the alternator test.
>>>
>>> Drove it home. Discovered that I could go through a couple of start
>>> stop and then on the next sart I here a click under the hood and the
>>> electrical is dead. I left the terminal loose and pulled it off and
>>> put it back on. The car starts. The above procedure consistently
>>> ends in the same results.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking there must be a relay that is sticking and removing the
>>> current causes the relay to release. Not sure where that would be.
>>>
>>> Does this sound familiar to anyone and can you let me know how to
>>> solve it?
>>>
>>> THanks in advance for any help that can be given.
>>>
>>>

>>
>> what kind of car?
>> make,model,year,auto or stick,that is all ESSENTIAL information
>> anyone would need to even begin research.
>>
>> also,did you try to GOOGLE your problem?
>>
>>
>> BTW,at the next failure,you might try measuring the voltage on the
>> battery cable with a DMM BEFORE you pull the connector and "reset".
>> maybe you have a cracked battery post or other internal battery
>> intermittent.

>
>
>


another hint;
you can use one of your jumper cables to connect directly to the negative
battery post and then the other end to various points on the frame or
engine to see if that completes the ground and then your lights work and/or
your engine starts. then you know you have a bad negative battery cable or
ground connection.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
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Old 31 Mar 2012, 08:57 am
Peter Kemp
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On 2012-03-30 01:09:38 +0000, Jim Yanik said:

> Peter Kemp <peterkemp@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:2012032916483567053-peterkemp@verizonnet:
>
>> Doh! Got so wrapped up in the story, I forgot about the car.
>>
>> 03 Accord Coupe w/ V6.
>>
>> The battery is a diehard that's less than a year old.
>>
>> After this post this morning, I took the car to my mechanic and -- of
>> course -- the car worked fine and I couldn't reproduce the problem. 10
>> minutes ago, I went to start the car and there goes the click and the
>> dead electrical system.
>>
>> Hope you have an answer.
>>
>> On 2012-03-29 18:35:20 +0000, Jim Yanik said:
>>
>>> Peter Kemp <peterkemp@verizon.net> wrote in
>>> news:2012032908323037524-peterkemp@verizonnet:
>>>
>>>> Yesterday my wife got in her car and it wouldn't start. She had
>>>> someone jump her and drove the car home. When she got in the garage,
>>>> she turned off and tried to start it and we discovered that the
>>>> car's electrical system was completely dead -- no lights or sounds
>>>> at all. I started investigating and checked the main fuse under the
>>>> hood - not blown. I removed the + terminal and cleaned and
>>>> reconnected. Car started up just fine. Sent her on her way to
>>>> church.
>>>>
>>>> 15 minutes later she calls and the car just stopped running. I went
>>>> and did the same thing and it started up again. Switched cars and
>>>> drove it home with a stop at O-Reilly. Wouldn't start after pulling
>>>> into parking space. Had them do an electrical test. Battery and
>>>> alternator working as they should. After he tested the battery, the
>>>> car started up again for the alternator test.
>>>>
>>>> Drove it home. Discovered that I could go through a couple of start
>>>> stop and then on the next sart I here a click under the hood and the
>>>> electrical is dead. I left the terminal loose and pulled it off and
>>>> put it back on. The car starts. The above procedure consistently
>>>> ends in the same results.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking there must be a relay that is sticking and removing the
>>>> current causes the relay to release. Not sure where that would be.
>>>>
>>>> Does this sound familiar to anyone and can you let me know how to
>>>> solve it?
>>>>
>>>> THanks in advance for any help that can be given.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> what kind of car?
>>> make,model,year,auto or stick,that is all ESSENTIAL information
>>> anyone would need to even begin research.
>>>
>>> also,did you try to GOOGLE your problem?
>>>
>>>
>>> BTW,at the next failure,you might try measuring the voltage on the
>>> battery cable with a DMM BEFORE you pull the connector and "reset".
>>> maybe you have a cracked battery post or other internal battery
>>> intermittent.

>>
>>
>>

>
> another hint;
> you can use one of your jumper cables to connect directly to the negative
> battery post and then the other end to various points on the frame or
> engine to see if that completes the ground and then your lights work and/or
> your engine starts. then you know you have a bad negative battery cable or
> ground connection.


Found the problem -- slightly loose and corroded negative terminal
connection. A good cleaning solved the problem. Thanks to all who
responded to my request.

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Old 01 Apr 2012, 02:20 pm
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"Peter Kemp" <peterkemp@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:2012033108574373736-peterkemp@verizonnet...
> On 2012-03-30 01:09:38 +0000, Jim Yanik said:
>
>> Peter Kemp <peterkemp@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:2012032916483567053-peterkemp@verizonnet:
>>
>>> Doh! Got so wrapped up in the story, I forgot about the car.
>>>
>>> 03 Accord Coupe w/ V6.
>>>
>>> The battery is a diehard that's less than a year old.
>>>
>>> After this post this morning, I took the car to my mechanic and -- of
>>> course -- the car worked fine and I couldn't reproduce the problem. 10
>>> minutes ago, I went to start the car and there goes the click and the
>>> dead electrical system.
>>>
>>> Hope you have an answer.
>>>
>>> On 2012-03-29 18:35:20 +0000, Jim Yanik said:
>>>
>>>> Peter Kemp <peterkemp@verizon.net> wrote in
>>>> news:2012032908323037524-peterkemp@verizonnet:
>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday my wife got in her car and it wouldn't start. She had
>>>>> someone jump her and drove the car home. When she got in the garage,
>>>>> she turned off and tried to start it and we discovered that the
>>>>> car's electrical system was completely dead -- no lights or sounds
>>>>> at all. I started investigating and checked the main fuse under the
>>>>> hood - not blown. I removed the + terminal and cleaned and
>>>>> reconnected. Car started up just fine. Sent her on her way to
>>>>> church.
>>>>>
>>>>> 15 minutes later she calls and the car just stopped running. I went
>>>>> and did the same thing and it started up again. Switched cars and
>>>>> drove it home with a stop at O-Reilly. Wouldn't start after pulling
>>>>> into parking space. Had them do an electrical test. Battery and
>>>>> alternator working as they should. After he tested the battery, the
>>>>> car started up again for the alternator test.
>>>>>
>>>>> Drove it home. Discovered that I could go through a couple of start
>>>>> stop and then on the next sart I here a click under the hood and the
>>>>> electrical is dead. I left the terminal loose and pulled it off and
>>>>> put it back on. The car starts. The above procedure consistently
>>>>> ends in the same results.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking there must be a relay that is sticking and removing the
>>>>> current causes the relay to release. Not sure where that would be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this sound familiar to anyone and can you let me know how to
>>>>> solve it?
>>>>>
>>>>> THanks in advance for any help that can be given.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> what kind of car?
>>>> make,model,year,auto or stick,that is all ESSENTIAL information
>>>> anyone would need to even begin research.
>>>>
>>>> also,did you try to GOOGLE your problem?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW,at the next failure,you might try measuring the voltage on the
>>>> battery cable with a DMM BEFORE you pull the connector and "reset".
>>>> maybe you have a cracked battery post or other internal battery
>>>> intermittent.
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> another hint;
>> you can use one of your jumper cables to connect directly to the negative
>> battery post and then the other end to various points on the frame or
>> engine to see if that completes the ground and then your lights work
>> and/or
>> your engine starts. then you know you have a bad negative battery cable
>> or
>> ground connection.

>
> Found the problem -- slightly loose and corroded negative terminal
> connection. A good cleaning solved the problem. Thanks to all who
> responded to my request.
>
>

Pretty classic presentation for bad ground.

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Old 04 Apr 2012, 05:12 am
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs MG wrote:
> "Peter Kemp" <peterkemp@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:2012033108574373736-peterkemp@verizonnet...

[snip]
>> Found the problem -- slightly loose and corroded negative terminal
>> connection. A good cleaning solved the problem. Thanks to all who
>> responded to my request.
>>

> Pretty classic presentation for bad ground.


Yep. Simple stuff.

I see there's concern over kids and the internet, not having to learn
anything (or troubleshooting skills) as they just Google it. There's a book
called "The Dumbest Generation" and it makes scary reading. In a world where
most answers are at your ingertips why bother thinking? It makes a case for
shutting down the internet, or at least restricting it until folks have
learnt basic skills.

Seems it's not just the kids, although they're not likely as polite as
Peter. :-/
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Shaun.

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cozy little classification in the DSM."
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Old 04 Apr 2012, 06:02 pm
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On 4/4/2012 3:12 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:

> I see there's concern over kids and the internet, not having to learn
> anything (or troubleshooting skills) as they just Google it. There's a book
> called "The Dumbest Generation" and it makes scary reading. In a world where
> most answers are at your ingertips why bother thinking? It makes a case for
> shutting down the internet, or at least restricting it until folks have
> learnt basic skills.
>
> Seems it's not just the kids, although they're not likely as polite as
> Peter. :-/


Sad, but true. Most kids are totally clueless without having access to
Google and Wikipedia. This generation could not restart civilisation if
a major EMP disaster wiped out all things electric.
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Old 04 Apr 2012, 06:47 pm
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs cameo wrote:
> On 4/4/2012 3:12 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
>
>> I see there's concern over kids and the internet, not having to learn
>> anything (or troubleshooting skills) as they just Google it. There's
>> a book called "The Dumbest Generation" and it makes scary reading.
>> In a world where most answers are at your ingertips why bother
>> thinking? It makes a case for shutting down the internet, or at
>> least restricting it until folks have learnt basic skills.
>>
>> Seems it's not just the kids, although they're not likely as polite
>> as Peter. :-/

>
> Sad, but true. Most kids are totally clueless without having access to
> Google and Wikipedia. This generation could not restart civilisation
> if a major EMP disaster wiped out all things electric.


Yep. As draconian as it seems, if I had my way the internet would be
reserved for adults - a rite of passage if you like, getting your first
internet access. By then they've learned how to learn, as well as having
learned a bunch of stuff that will see them do well in later life.

I dread the day when all of us oldies who were bought up without computers
are gone and all of the forums will be full of morons with no cognitive
skills (not to mention the streets!). Heh! Not that I'll be here but it
doesn't bode well for humanity.

To get slightly back on topic, I think that my Honda City would be OK after
an EMP. It has capacitor-discharge ignition but there are no
micro-processors involved there. Not even a transistor.
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Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
cozy little classification in the DSM."
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