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Old 15 Jul 2007, 08:06 am
Hachiroku ハチロク
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Default (Anecdotal) Fit only getting 27 MPG?

I was at a gas station/convenience store getting a cuppa and flirting with
the 20 year olds behind the counter when a Fit came in. At fisrt I thought
it was an Si and then saw the 4 doors.

"Nice Car"

"Honda lied"

"How so?"

The guy had driven from Connecticut to near the Vt border at highway
speeds, a trip of 75 miles, and had to put in 2.76 gallons of gas.

75/2.76=27.17 MPG HUH?! I get 21 MPG overall with an older Supra that
isn't quite running 100% and has a marginal AT besides!

I said jokinigly that he should keep his foot out of it! He said he barely
gets over 30 MPG overall, and since this is his first real trip with the
car he expected to at least be in the high 30's. It wasn't that warm and
he didn't have the AC one when he pulled in for gas.

Now, with an '87 Corolla Carb'd on a 95 degree day, I got 45 MPG at 75 MPH
with the AC on full blast, back in the day!

He also said when it's cold he barely makes it to 28 MPG...

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Old 15 Jul 2007, 11:27 am
Michael Pardee
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:hZomi.4158$225.3840@trndny03...
>I was at a gas station/convenience store getting a cuppa and flirting with
> the 20 year olds behind the counter when a Fit came in. At fisrt I thought
> it was an Si and then saw the 4 doors.
>
> "Nice Car"
>
> "Honda lied"
>
> "How so?"
>
> The guy had driven from Connecticut to near the Vt border at highway
> speeds, a trip of 75 miles, and had to put in 2.76 gallons of gas.
>
> 75/2.76=27.17 MPG HUH?! I get 21 MPG overall with an older Supra that
> isn't quite running 100% and has a marginal AT besides!
>
> I said jokinigly that he should keep his foot out of it! He said he barely
> gets over 30 MPG overall, and since this is his first real trip with the
> car he expected to at least be in the high 30's. It wasn't that warm and
> he didn't have the AC one when he pulled in for gas.
>
> Now, with an '87 Corolla Carb'd on a 95 degree day, I got 45 MPG at 75 MPH
> with the AC on full blast, back in the day!
>
> He also said when it's cold he barely makes it to 28 MPG...
>
>

There is a distinct possibility something is wrong with his Fit. Off and on
bad fuel economy (usually not even breaking 40 mpg) is a topic on Toyota
Prius forums and a few common causes have been identified. There is the
perennial problem of underinflated tires and the "operator error" of leaving
the defroster on (not knowing that means the A/C is running in mild
weather). Parking brake misadjustment has taken it's toll, and some Prius
cars have suddenly improved fuel economy 20-30% when the injectors were
replaced. Sometimes the cause is never found.

Mike



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Old 15 Jul 2007, 02:06 pm
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Default Re: (Anecdotal) Fit only getting 27 MPG?

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:06:21 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@AE86.gts>
wrote:

>The guy had driven from Connecticut to near the Vt border at highway
>speeds, a trip of 75 miles, and had to put in 2.76 gallons of gas.
>
>75/2.76=27.17 MPG HUH?! I get 21 MPG overall with an older Supra that
>isn't quite running 100% and has a marginal AT besides!


Why would anyone put in 2.76 gallons?

Gives you a big margin for error, different pumps will top out a
half-gallon off, easily, that would take it to 33mpg or so, still not
brilliant, but maybe in a believable range. Maybe the 75 was off by a
few, too. Make it 81 miles on 2.25 gallons and it's 36mpg.

My 2007 Accord EX4 is still not getting 30mpg, when the 2004 model
easily got 32mpg on a full tank, nearly regardless of speed.

Knock 500 pounds of weight off the Fit and it will get 20% better
mileage, too. Honda *has* to start paying attention to weight.

J.

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Old 15 Jul 2007, 02:33 pm
jim beam
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JXStern wrote:
<snip for clarity>
> Knock 500 pounds of weight off the Fit and it will get 20% better
> mileage, too. Honda *has* to start paying attention to weight.


they pretty much can't. no manufacturer can unless los federales stop
serving the oilcos's interests by requiring heavier & heavier vehicles
in the name of "safety". if "safety" were the real goal, helmets,
5-point harnesses and roll cages would be mandatory.
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Old 15 Jul 2007, 04:46 pm
Robert A. Cunningham
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:hZomi.4158$225.3840@trndny03...
>I was at a gas station/convenience store getting a cuppa and flirting with
> the 20 year olds behind the counter when a Fit came in. At fisrt I thought
> it was an Si and then saw the 4 doors.
>
> "Nice Car"
>
> "Honda lied"
>
> "How so?"
>
> The guy had driven from Connecticut to near the Vt border at highway
> speeds, a trip of 75 miles, and had to put in 2.76 gallons of gas.
>
> 75/2.76=27.17 MPG HUH?! I get 21 MPG overall with an older Supra that
> isn't quite running 100% and has a marginal AT besides!
>
> I said jokinigly that he should keep his foot out of it! He said he barely
> gets over 30 MPG overall, and since this is his first real trip with the
> car he expected to at least be in the high 30's. It wasn't that warm and
> he didn't have the AC one when he pulled in for gas.
>
> Now, with an '87 Corolla Carb'd on a 95 degree day, I got 45 MPG at 75 MPH
> with the AC on full blast, back in the day!
>
> He also said when it's cold he barely makes it to 28 MPG...


Well, since we are talking anecdotal mileage, I should report that so far I
have averaged 35.69 MPH with just over 1065 miles. I have a Fit Sport 5
speed manual transmission. I'm always conscious of driving for economy, and
I try to time the stoplight, whenever possible and practical. I am more than
satisfield with my mileage, but it would be less if I drove with a heavy
foot. Consumer Reports averaged 34 MPH overall with their 5 speed.

Robert A. Cunningham
>



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Old 15 Jul 2007, 04:53 pm
Jim Yanik
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"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:XOSdnbdZi6VC1wfbnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@sedona.net:

> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:hZomi.4158$225.3840@trndny03...
>>I was at a gas station/convenience store getting a cuppa and flirting
>>with
>> the 20 year olds behind the counter when a Fit came in. At fisrt I
>> thought it was an Si and then saw the 4 doors.
>>
>> "Nice Car"
>>
>> "Honda lied"
>>
>> "How so?"
>>
>> The guy had driven from Connecticut to near the Vt border at highway
>> speeds, a trip of 75 miles, and had to put in 2.76 gallons of gas.
>>
>> 75/2.76=27.17 MPG HUH?! I get 21 MPG overall with an older Supra
>> that isn't quite running 100% and has a marginal AT besides!
>>
>> I said jokinigly that he should keep his foot out of it! He said he
>> barely gets over 30 MPG overall, and since this is his first real
>> trip with the car he expected to at least be in the high 30's. It
>> wasn't that warm and he didn't have the AC one when he pulled in for
>> gas.
>>
>> Now, with an '87 Corolla Carb'd on a 95 degree day, I got 45 MPG at
>> 75 MPH with the AC on full blast, back in the day!
>>
>> He also said when it's cold he barely makes it to 28 MPG...
>>
>>

> There is a distinct possibility something is wrong with his Fit. Off
> and on bad fuel economy (usually not even breaking 40 mpg) is a topic
> on Toyota Prius forums and a few common causes have been identified.
> There is the perennial problem of underinflated tires and the
> "operator error" of leaving the defroster on (not knowing that means
> the A/C is running in mild weather). Parking brake misadjustment has
> taken it's toll, and some Prius cars have suddenly improved fuel
> economy 20-30% when the injectors were replaced. Sometimes the cause
> is never found.
>
> Mike
>


Some drivers unconsciously speed up and slow down;it seems they cannot
maintain a constant speed even on a level roadway.That will adversely
affect mileage.
I've ridden with more than a few of them,and it's very annoying.
Driving behind them is even more annoying.


Also,the Fit may not have been fully "broken in" yet.

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Old 15 Jul 2007, 04:59 pm
Phil
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"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:9qOdnWy7b4gI6wfbnZ2dnUVZ_rK3nZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> JXStern wrote:
> <snip for clarity>
>> Knock 500 pounds of weight off the Fit and it will get 20% better
>> mileage, too. Honda *has* to start paying attention to weight.

>
> they pretty much can't. no manufacturer can unless los federales stop
> serving the oilcos's interests by requiring heavier & heavier vehicles in
> the name of "safety". if "safety" were the real goal, helmets, 5-point
> harnesses and roll cages would be mandatory.


At the expense of creature comforts and ease of use. But I agree with ya...

--
Phil


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Old 15 Jul 2007, 05:01 pm
Jim Yanik
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"Robert A. Cunningham" <infojunkie@dslextreme.com> wrote in
news:139l5gff1d3331b@corp.supernews.com:

>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:hZomi.4158$225.3840@trndny03...
>>I was at a gas station/convenience store getting a cuppa and flirting
>>with
>> the 20 year olds behind the counter when a Fit came in. At fisrt I
>> thought it was an Si and then saw the 4 doors.
>>
>> "Nice Car"
>>
>> "Honda lied"
>>
>> "How so?"
>>
>> The guy had driven from Connecticut to near the Vt border at highway
>> speeds, a trip of 75 miles, and had to put in 2.76 gallons of gas.
>>
>> 75/2.76=27.17 MPG HUH?! I get 21 MPG overall with an older Supra
>> that isn't quite running 100% and has a marginal AT besides!
>>
>> I said jokinigly that he should keep his foot out of it! He said he
>> barely gets over 30 MPG overall, and since this is his first real
>> trip with the car he expected to at least be in the high 30's. It
>> wasn't that warm and he didn't have the AC one when he pulled in for
>> gas.
>>
>> Now, with an '87 Corolla Carb'd on a 95 degree day, I got 45 MPG at
>> 75 MPH with the AC on full blast, back in the day!
>>
>> He also said when it's cold he barely makes it to 28 MPG...

>
> Well, since we are talking anecdotal mileage, I should report that so
> far I have averaged 35.69 MPH


Miles per HOUR? ;-)
that makes for a really long trip.....almost 30 hrs to go 1065 miles! ;-)
(I know you meant MPG..)

> with just over 1065 miles. I have a Fit
> Sport 5 speed manual transmission. I'm always conscious of driving
> for economy, and I try to time the stoplight, whenever possible and
> practical. I am more than satisfield with my mileage, but it would be
> less if I drove with a heavy foot. Consumer Reports averaged 34 MPH
> overall with their 5 speed.
>
> Robert A. Cunningham
>>

>
>
>


It's odd that a person would stop for a fill-up that was less than 3
gallons.

What's the tank capacity on your Fit?

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at
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Old 15 Jul 2007, 05:35 pm
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"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
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> "Robert A. Cunningham" <infojunkie@dslextreme.com> wrote in
> news:139l5gff1d3331b@corp.supernews.com:
>
>>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:hZomi.4158$225.3840@trndny03...
>>>I was at a gas station/convenience store getting a cuppa and flirting
>>>with
>>> the 20 year olds behind the counter when a Fit came in. At fisrt I
>>> thought it was an Si and then saw the 4 doors.
>>>
>>> "Nice Car"
>>>
>>> "Honda lied"
>>>
>>> "How so?"
>>>
>>> The guy had driven from Connecticut to near the Vt border at highway
>>> speeds, a trip of 75 miles, and had to put in 2.76 gallons of gas.
>>>
>>> 75/2.76=27.17 MPG HUH?! I get 21 MPG overall with an older Supra
>>> that isn't quite running 100% and has a marginal AT besides!
>>>
>>> I said jokinigly that he should keep his foot out of it! He said he
>>> barely gets over 30 MPG overall, and since this is his first real
>>> trip with the car he expected to at least be in the high 30's. It
>>> wasn't that warm and he didn't have the AC one when he pulled in for
>>> gas.
>>>
>>> Now, with an '87 Corolla Carb'd on a 95 degree day, I got 45 MPG at
>>> 75 MPH with the AC on full blast, back in the day!
>>>
>>> He also said when it's cold he barely makes it to 28 MPG...

>>
>> Well, since we are talking anecdotal mileage, I should report that so
>> far I have averaged 35.69 MPH

>
> Miles per HOUR? ;-)
> that makes for a really long trip.....almost 30 hrs to go 1065 miles! ;-)
> (I know you meant MPG..)
>
>> with just over 1065 miles. I have a Fit
>> Sport 5 speed manual transmission. I'm always conscious of driving
>> for economy, and I try to time the stoplight, whenever possible and
>> practical. I am more than satisfield with my mileage, but it would be
>> less if I drove with a heavy foot. Consumer Reports averaged 34 MPH
>> overall with their 5 speed.
>>
>> Robert A. Cunningham
>>>

>>
>>
>>

>
> It's odd that a person would stop for a fill-up that was less than 3
> gallons.
>
> What's the tank capacity on your Fit?
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net


The manual says the fuel capacity is 10.83 gallons. When the low fuel
indicator lights up there is around 2 gallons remaining. You're correct, it
is odd to fill up that soon. Obviously, the more times you fill up, the
more accurate the overall mileage is. If I were the owner, I would not be
concerned on any mileage figure that was based upon less than ten gallons,
let alone three. OH, and yes, I meant to say 35.69 MPG, not MPH. I drive
a little slow, BUT NOT THAT SLOW

Robert A. Cunningham


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Old 15 Jul 2007, 07:49 pm
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Robert A. Cunningham wrote:

> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:hZomi.4158$225.3840@trndny03...
>
>>I was at a gas station/convenience store getting a cuppa and flirting with
>>the 20 year olds behind the counter when a Fit came in. At fisrt I thought
>>it was an Si and then saw the 4 doors.
>>
>>"Nice Car"
>>
>>"Honda lied"
>>
>>"How so?"
>>
>>The guy had driven from Connecticut to near the Vt border at highway
>>speeds, a trip of 75 miles, and had to put in 2.76 gallons of gas.
>>
>>75/2.76=27.17 MPG HUH?! I get 21 MPG overall with an older Supra that
>>isn't quite running 100% and has a marginal AT besides!
>>
>>I said jokinigly that he should keep his foot out of it! He said he barely
>>gets over 30 MPG overall, and since this is his first real trip with the
>>car he expected to at least be in the high 30's. It wasn't that warm and
>>he didn't have the AC one when he pulled in for gas.
>>
>>Now, with an '87 Corolla Carb'd on a 95 degree day, I got 45 MPG at 75 MPH
>>with the AC on full blast, back in the day!
>>
>>He also said when it's cold he barely makes it to 28 MPG...

>
>
> Well, since we are talking anecdotal mileage, I should report that so far I
> have averaged 35.69 MPH with just over 1065 miles. I have a Fit Sport 5
> speed manual transmission. I'm always conscious of driving for economy, and
> I try to time the stoplight, whenever possible and practical. I am more than
> satisfield with my mileage, but it would be less if I drove with a heavy
> foot. Consumer Reports averaged 34 MPH overall with their 5 speed.
>
> Robert A. Cunningham
>
>
>


I drove a Fit, and it seemed like an OK, car, but the Civic LX
*automatic* parked next to it was rated at 40mpg highway, while the 5
speed Fit I drove was rated at 36. I think it's short gearing at fault.
Ironically, my '95 Civic EX has gearing that is way too tall, but at
least it gets great mileage...
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