Honda Car Forum

Seth wrote:
> "random electron" <fake@fake.net> wrote in message
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>> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:eyfmi.115$DJ2.61@newsfe12.lga:
>>
>>> "random electron" <fake@fake.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns996DD5304A18Cfakefakenet@140.99.99.130...
>>>> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in newsW4mi.4$Kf1.0
>>>> @newsfe12.lga:
>>>>
>>>>> "random electron" <fake@fake.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Xns996D50464AEA3fakefakenet@140.99.99.130...
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the Pilot capable of remote start? If so, can it be activated?
>>>>>
>>>>> You have to install an auto-start unit first.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the response. Can you tell me more?
>>>
>>> Unless you are asking for a step-by-step walkthrough of installing a
>>> unit, no, not really.
>>>
>>> You want to add a remote control starter to your car, you will have to
>>> buy an appropriate unit and install it. There are many makes and
>>> models.
>>>
>> No, I'm not looking for a step by step. More precisely, I am
>> interested in
>> adding OEM equipment. So if it were a matter of buying the radio, or
>> enabling a feature in the Honda computer or buying a Honda key with a
>> remote start button.... That's what I was really looking for.
>
>
> I know of no OEM unit to do this.

because it's not necessary and it's bad for the engine!

> That's why I say there are many makes
> and models. This is an aftermarket device.
>

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> Seth wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:GdydnWA1I7NARAfbnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>
>>> oh, and remote start also requires you leave a key near the ignition
>>> sensor so the security chip can disarm the computer lock.
>>
>>
>> This part hasn't been true in a long time (at least when dealing with a
>> decent brand and reputable shop). The better brands have add-on modules
>> that memorize your key's signature and re-broadcast it when it receives a
>> proper signal from the starter's main module. It lies dormant otherwise.
>
> fair enough. but now i can capture the code from /that/ transmitter
> instead and i /still/ don't need the key!


But how are you going to capture it from that transmitter? It only
transmits when told to by it's controller and it's short distance (you need
to be in the car, near the column, ready to receive when the auto-start is
triggered remotely).

Pretty small window of exposure as opposed to reading the original key
signature by brushing past the car owner as they walk away from the car.

Seth wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:lb6dnUZ64f3qrgHbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Seth wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>> news:GdydnWA1I7NARAfbnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>>
>>>> oh, and remote start also requires you leave a key near the ignition
>>>> sensor so the security chip can disarm the computer lock.
>>>
>>>
>>> This part hasn't been true in a long time (at least when dealing with
>>> a decent brand and reputable shop). The better brands have add-on
>>> modules that memorize your key's signature and re-broadcast it when
>>> it receives a proper signal from the starter's main module. It lies
>>> dormant otherwise.
>>
>> fair enough. but now i can capture the code from /that/ transmitter
>> instead and i /still/ don't need the key!
>
>
> But how are you going to capture it from that transmitter? It only
> transmits when told to by it's controller

if i can capture the key code, i'm /definitely/ capable of transmitting
the handshake that initiates it!

> and it's short distance (you
> need to be in the car, near the column, ready to receive when the
> auto-start is triggered remotely).
>
> Pretty small window of exposure as opposed to reading the original key
> signature by brushing past the car owner as they walk away from the car.
>

the point is, remote start leaves the tools of the job in the car. no
remote start means you need to access the driver instead - not something
most high tech car thieves are interested in doing.

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> Seth wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:lb6dnUZ64f3qrgHbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>> Seth wrote:
>>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:GdydnWA1I7NARAfbnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>>>
>>>>> oh, and remote start also requires you leave a key near the ignition
>>>>> sensor so the security chip can disarm the computer lock.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This part hasn't been true in a long time (at least when dealing with a
>>>> decent brand and reputable shop). The better brands have add-on
>>>> modules that memorize your key's signature and re-broadcast it when it
>>>> receives a proper signal from the starter's main module. It lies
>>>> dormant otherwise.
>>>
>>> fair enough. but now i can capture the code from /that/ transmitter
>>> instead and i /still/ don't need the key!
>>
>>
>> But how are you going to capture it from that transmitter? It only
>> transmits when told to by it's controller
>
> if i can capture the key code, i'm /definitely/ capable of transmitting
> the handshake that initiates it!
>
>> and it's short distance (you need to be in the car, near the column,
>> ready to receive when the auto-start is triggered remotely).
>>
>> Pretty small window of exposure as opposed to reading the original key
>> signature by brushing past the car owner as they walk away from the car.
>>
>
> the point is, remote start leaves the tools of the job in the car. no
> remote start means you need to access the driver instead - not something
> most high tech car thieves are interested in doing.


They'd flatbed the car before going through the trouble you describe.

Seth wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:P8WdncneXpYsDQDbnZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Seth wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>> news:lb6dnUZ64f3qrgHbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>> Seth wrote:
>>>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:GdydnWA1I7NARAfbnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> oh, and remote start also requires you leave a key near the
>>>>>> ignition sensor so the security chip can disarm the computer lock.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This part hasn't been true in a long time (at least when dealing
>>>>> with a decent brand and reputable shop). The better brands have
>>>>> add-on modules that memorize your key's signature and re-broadcast
>>>>> it when it receives a proper signal from the starter's main
>>>>> module. It lies dormant otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> fair enough. but now i can capture the code from /that/ transmitter
>>>> instead and i /still/ don't need the key!
>>>
>>>
>>> But how are you going to capture it from that transmitter? It only
>>> transmits when told to by it's controller
>>
>> if i can capture the key code, i'm /definitely/ capable of
>> transmitting the handshake that initiates it!
>>
>>> and it's short distance (you need to be in the car, near the column,
>>> ready to receive when the auto-start is triggered remotely).
>>>
>>> Pretty small window of exposure as opposed to reading the original
>>> key signature by brushing past the car owner as they walk away from
>>> the car.
>>>
>>
>> the point is, remote start leaves the tools of the job in the car. no
>> remote start means you need to access the driver instead - not
>> something most high tech car thieves are interested in doing.
>
>
> They'd flatbed the car before going through the trouble you describe.
>
that's common, but if i were a tech geek with a little code capture box,
it would take me literally seconds to retrieve the code. skeleton key,
code box, drive away. much easier than flatbed.

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> Seth wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:lb6dnUZ64f3qrgHbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>> Seth wrote:
>>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:GdydnWA1I7NARAfbnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>>>
>>>>> oh, and remote start also requires you leave a key near the ignition
>>>>> sensor so the security chip can disarm the computer lock.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This part hasn't been true in a long time (at least when dealing with a
>>>> decent brand and reputable shop). The better brands have add-on
>>>> modules that memorize your key's signature and re-broadcast it when it
>>>> receives a proper signal from the starter's main module. It lies
>>>> dormant otherwise.
>>>
>>> fair enough. but now i can capture the code from /that/ transmitter
>>> instead and i /still/ don't need the key!
>>
>>
>> But how are you going to capture it from that transmitter? It only
>> transmits when told to by it's controller
>
> if i can capture the key code, i'm /definitely/ capable of transmitting
> the handshake that initiates it!

Which of the 4.3 billion codes are you going to capture? Different code
sent everytime. You would need to capture the current code and the seed key
and then know which algorythm to use to compute the next keycode.

>> and it's short distance (you need to be in the car, near the column,
>> ready to receive when the auto-start is triggered remotely).
>>
>> Pretty small window of exposure as opposed to reading the original key
>> signature by brushing past the car owner as they walk away from the car.
>>
>
> the point is, remote start leaves the tools of the job in the car. no
> remote start means you need to access the driver instead - not something
> most high tech car thieves are interested in doing.

And when running on remote start the steering wheel is still locked, if an
automatic the transmission is still locked and as soon as you step on the
brake or rev the engine to 3x idle it cuts out.

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> Seth wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:P8WdncneXpYsDQDbnZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>> Seth wrote:
>>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:lb6dnUZ64f3qrgHbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>>> Seth wrote:
>>>>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:GdydnWA1I7NARAfbnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> oh, and remote start also requires you leave a key near the ignition
>>>>>>> sensor so the security chip can disarm the computer lock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This part hasn't been true in a long time (at least when dealing with
>>>>>> a decent brand and reputable shop). The better brands have add-on
>>>>>> modules that memorize your key's signature and re-broadcast it when
>>>>>> it receives a proper signal from the starter's main module. It lies
>>>>>> dormant otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> fair enough. but now i can capture the code from /that/ transmitter
>>>>> instead and i /still/ don't need the key!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But how are you going to capture it from that transmitter? It only
>>>> transmits when told to by it's controller
>>>
>>> if i can capture the key code, i'm /definitely/ capable of transmitting
>>> the handshake that initiates it!
>>>
>>>> and it's short distance (you need to be in the car, near the column,
>>>> ready to receive when the auto-start is triggered remotely).
>>>>
>>>> Pretty small window of exposure as opposed to reading the original key
>>>> signature by brushing past the car owner as they walk away from the
>>>> car.
>>>>
>>>
>>> the point is, remote start leaves the tools of the job in the car. no
>>> remote start means you need to access the driver instead - not something
>>> most high tech car thieves are interested in doing.
>>
>>
>> They'd flatbed the car before going through the trouble you describe.
>>
> that's common, but if i were a tech geek with a little code capture box,
> it would take me literally seconds to retrieve the code. skeleton key,
> code box, drive away. much easier than flatbed.


If you knew the technology behind today's remote start units, you'd agree a
flatbed is easier.

Seth wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:P8WdncneXpYsDQDbnZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Seth wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>> news:lb6dnUZ64f3qrgHbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>> Seth wrote:
>>>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:GdydnWA1I7NARAfbnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> oh, and remote start also requires you leave a key near the
>>>>>> ignition sensor so the security chip can disarm the computer lock.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This part hasn't been true in a long time (at least when dealing
>>>>> with a decent brand and reputable shop). The better brands have
>>>>> add-on modules that memorize your key's signature and re-broadcast
>>>>> it when it receives a proper signal from the starter's main
>>>>> module. It lies dormant otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> fair enough. but now i can capture the code from /that/ transmitter
>>>> instead and i /still/ don't need the key!
>>>
>>>
>>> But how are you going to capture it from that transmitter? It only
>>> transmits when told to by it's controller
>>
>> if i can capture the key code, i'm /definitely/ capable of
>> transmitting the handshake that initiates it!
>
> Which of the 4.3 billion codes are you going to capture? Different code
> sent everytime. You would need to capture the current code and the seed
> key and then know which algorythm to use to compute the next keycode.
>
>>> and it's short distance (you need to be in the car, near the column,
>>> ready to receive when the auto-start is triggered remotely).
>>>
>>> Pretty small window of exposure as opposed to reading the original
>>> key signature by brushing past the car owner as they walk away from
>>> the car.
>>>
>>
>> the point is, remote start leaves the tools of the job in the car. no
>> remote start means you need to access the driver instead - not
>> something most high tech car thieves are interested in doing.
>
> And when running on remote start the steering wheel is still locked, if
> an automatic the transmission is still locked and as soon as you step on
> the brake or rev the engine to 3x idle it cuts out.
>

if you don't have the technology, flat bed would be easier, yes. but i
assure you, there are kids out there that do this stuff the techy way,
just for the geekiness of it. and remote start with prolonged cold idle
is still a bad for the motor.

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> Seth wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:P8WdncneXpYsDQDbnZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>> Seth wrote:
>>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:lb6dnUZ64f3qrgHbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>>> Seth wrote:
>>>>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:GdydnWA1I7NARAfbnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> oh, and remote start also requires you leave a key near the ignition
>>>>>>> sensor so the security chip can disarm the computer lock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This part hasn't been true in a long time (at least when dealing with
>>>>>> a decent brand and reputable shop). The better brands have add-on
>>>>>> modules that memorize your key's signature and re-broadcast it when
>>>>>> it receives a proper signal from the starter's main module. It lies
>>>>>> dormant otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> fair enough. but now i can capture the code from /that/ transmitter
>>>>> instead and i /still/ don't need the key!
>>>>
>>>> But how are you going to capture it from that transmitter? It only
>>>> transmits when told to by it's controller
>>>
>>> if i can capture the key code, i'm /definitely/ capable of transmitting
>>> the handshake that initiates it!
>>
>> Which of the 4.3 billion codes are you going to capture? Different code
>> sent everytime. You would need to capture the current code and the seed
>> key and then know which algorythm to use to compute the next keycode.
>>
>>>> and it's short distance (you need to be in the car, near the column,
>>>> ready to receive when the auto-start is triggered remotely).
>>>>
>>>> Pretty small window of exposure as opposed to reading the original key
>>>> signature by brushing past the car owner as they walk away from the
>>>> car.
>>>>
>>>
>>> the point is, remote start leaves the tools of the job in the car. no
>>> remote start means you need to access the driver instead - not something
>>> most high tech car thieves are interested in doing.
>>
>> And when running on remote start the steering wheel is still locked, if
>> an automatic the transmission is still locked and as soon as you step on
>> the brake or rev the engine to 3x idle it cuts out.
>
> if you don't have the technology, flat bed would be easier, yes. but i
> assure you, there are kids out there that do this stuff the techy way,
> just for the geekiness of it.

You're still underestimating the complexity of the job. I doubt they'd
spend the $$$ for the equipment just for the geekiness of it. I used to
install these things for a living (owned my own car stereo/alarm/custom
shop).

> and remote start with prolonged cold idle is still a bad for the motor.

No argument on that.

Seth wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:--ednUDyYJ-h7zzbnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> Seth wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>> news:P8WdncneXpYsDQDbnZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>> Seth wrote:
>>>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:lb6dnUZ64f3qrgHbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>>>> Seth wrote:
>>>>>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:GdydnWA1I7NARAfbnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> oh, and remote start also requires you leave a key near the
>>>>>>>> ignition sensor so the security chip can disarm the computer lock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This part hasn't been true in a long time (at least when dealing
>>>>>>> with a decent brand and reputable shop). The better brands have
>>>>>>> add-on modules that memorize your key's signature and
>>>>>>> re-broadcast it when it receives a proper signal from the
>>>>>>> starter's main module. It lies dormant otherwise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fair enough. but now i can capture the code from /that/
>>>>>> transmitter instead and i /still/ don't need the key!
>>>>>
>>>>> But how are you going to capture it from that transmitter? It only
>>>>> transmits when told to by it's controller
>>>>
>>>> if i can capture the key code, i'm /definitely/ capable of
>>>> transmitting the handshake that initiates it!
>>>
>>> Which of the 4.3 billion codes are you going to capture? Different
>>> code sent everytime. You would need to capture the current code and
>>> the seed key and then know which algorythm to use to compute the next
>>> keycode.
>>>
>>>>> and it's short distance (you need to be in the car, near the
>>>>> column, ready to receive when the auto-start is triggered remotely).
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty small window of exposure as opposed to reading the original
>>>>> key signature by brushing past the car owner as they walk away from
>>>>> the car.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the point is, remote start leaves the tools of the job in the car.
>>>> no remote start means you need to access the driver instead - not
>>>> something most high tech car thieves are interested in doing.
>>>
>>> And when running on remote start the steering wheel is still locked,
>>> if an automatic the transmission is still locked and as soon as you
>>> step on the brake or rev the engine to 3x idle it cuts out.
>>
>> if you don't have the technology, flat bed would be easier, yes. but
>> i assure you, there are kids out there that do this stuff the techy
>> way, just for the geekiness of it.
>
> You're still underestimating the complexity of the job. I doubt they'd
> spend the $$$ for the equipment just for the geekiness of it. I used to
> install these things for a living (owned my own car stereo/alarm/custom
> shop).

i'm not arguing against you dude, just pointing out that some people do
this because they can. just like some people spend countless freakin'
hours busting drm codes on a $15 dvd.


>
>> and remote start with prolonged cold idle is still a bad for the motor.
>
> No argument on that.