Honda Car Forum

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:24:56 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>> lower profile tires also make for a harder ride,the shorter sidewalls of
>> a 60 series tire transmit more impact
>
> kinda. depends more on the tire itself though. from personal experience
> i can tell you that 65 michelin hydroedge will batter your brains out. 60
> dunlop sp sports are like butter. [great tire.]


I agree with jim b on this one. The SP Sports are a good tire.
But I haven't owned Michelins for years.

Currently on my Supra I have a 205/50-16, as specified by Toyota (I
usually go 10mm wider than spec, but these tires were a deal!)
The Supra is a Pop-Top (Targa) so I was concerned about road noise, but
the tires are quiet. The /50 means a harsher ride; if I had gone with 60's
or 65's the ride would be softer, but I wanted handling!

The tire? Hankook K106. $70 each. Third year on the tire, negligible wear,
really good handling in wet or dry. They are supposed to be All Season,
but you can bet the Supra hasn't seen a single *flake* of snow!

sam8988378 wrote:

> At the TinyUrl link http://www.tiny.cc/qnJlb to the Michelin site
> where the tires were selected by model, make & year, they have
> P195/60R15 ( 615x195, 24.2x7.7 )
> "Correct size for Accord. 87T". They also list P185/70R14 ( 616x185,
> 24.3x7.3 )
> Correct size for Accord. 87T. But the price difference between the
> smaller and larger size is $16.35 per tire. This makes me think that
> the smaller size choice was due to cost.

For what it's worth, my '93 Accord (Canadian LX, similar to U.S. base DX)
had a specified stock size of 185/70R14 87S. But for higher end models,
195/60R15 was specified (don't remember speed and load rating).

Apparently, alternating between these 2 sizes has virtually zero effect on
speedometer and odometer accuracy. I would get 195's for all-season tires.
If you have winter weather in your area, get 185's for winter tires.

Moreover, you'll have a greater selection of tires to choose from in the
195/60R15 size.

Wow, apparently my last 2 posts bit the dust. I checked out the
Dunlop Sports (apparently there are many Dunlop Sports) at the website
where I was reading the reviews (http://www.1010tires.com). All but
the 3000A DSST were reviewed, and the main complaints seem to be about
treadwear, and those who drove in snow
rated them pretty low. While we mainly only have serious snow a
couple of times during the winter, I visit people down south who
regularly have serious snow. So the snow factor is important. My
slipshod notepad chart of the reviews (5/5 =100%) follows:

Dry Wet Snow Handling
Comfort Noise Treadwear R
Dunlop SP Sport 5000 4.2 3 2.2 3.9
3.6 3.4 2.5 3.3
Dunlop SP Sport 5000 DSST 3 3 1 3.5
3 3 2.5 2.8 2 reviews 1 snow n/a
Dunlop SP Sport A2 Plus 3.9 3.2 2.2 3.6
3.1 2.7 1.7 3 14 reviews 9-all treadwr
Dunlop Sport 4000 DSST 2.6 2 1.6 2.2
2 1.7 1.1 1.9 9 reviews
Dunlop SP Sport 5000A DSST 5 4 2.5 4
3 3 2.3 3.4 3 specif on treadwr
Dunlop SP Sport 3000A DSST no review
Dunlop SP Sport 01 4.3 4 2.6 4
4.3 4.2 3.6 4 32 reviews
Dunlop SP Sport 01 DSST 4 4 4
4 4 4 1 review

I decided to go with the Toyo Versado LX
Dry: 4.6 Wet: 4.5 Snow: 4.6 Handling: 4.6 Comfort: 5 Noise:
5 Treadwear: 4.6 8 reviews 4.7

but after hearing the Hanckook spoken so highly about, I went to the
site and found:
Hankook Ventus ST RH06
Dry Wet Snow Handling Comfort Noise Treadwear Rating
4.8 4.7 3.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.6

they are in the running.

BTW, I went out to the car and measured the diameter of the rim.
Definately 15", so I guess there was no funny business about it.

I also went to http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html, had my java
updated, but still had to use the old version. I listed the 195 60R15
as the stock tire, and the 185 70R14 as the new one. The result said
that the reading with the nonstock tire was 1% faster. When my speedo
reads 60mph, I'm actually going 60mph. OK, now I'm confused. Isn't
that the point?


On Jul 8, 2:53 pm, High Tech Misfit <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> sam8988378 wrote:
> > At the TinyUrl linkhttp://www.tiny.cc/qnJlbto the Michelin site
> > where the tires were selected by model, make & year, they have
> > P195/60R15 ( 615x195, 24.2x7.7 )
> > "Correct size for Accord. 87T". They also list P185/70R14 ( 616x185,
> > 24.3x7.3 )
> > Correct size for Accord. 87T. But the price difference between the
> > smaller and larger size is $16.35 per tire. This makes me think that
> > the smaller size choice was due to cost.
>
> For what it's worth, my '93 Accord (Canadian LX, similar to U.S. base DX)
> had a specified stock size of 185/70R14 87S. But for higher end models,
> 195/60R15 was specified (don't remember speed and load rating).
>
> Apparently, alternating between these 2 sizes has virtually zero effect on
> speedometer and odometer accuracy. I would get 195's for all-season tires.
> If you have winter weather in your area, get 185's for winter tires.
>
> Moreover, you'll have a greater selection of tires to choose from in the
> 195/60R15 size.

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:44:48 -0700, sam8988378 wrote:

> While we mainly only
> have serious snow a couple of times during the winter, I visit people down
> south who regularly have serious snow


Um, where the 'helk' *ARE* you?!?!

When *I* go 'down south', I can ditch my snow tires!

On Jul 8, 8:42 pm, Hachiroku <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:44:48 -0700, sam8988378 wrote:
> > While we mainly only
> > have serious snow a couple of times during the winter, I visit people down
> > south who regularly have serious snow
>
> Um, where the 'helk' *ARE* you?!?!
>
> When *I* go 'down south', I can ditch my snow tires!

lmao! West Virginia has had some serious snows. We took pics of
someone's car which had been completely buried after one nasty storm.
Driving outside of Hagerstown on Rt 81 was so bad once that you just
followed the rapidly disappearing tracks of the drivers ahead of you.

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:46:33 -0700, sam8988378 wrote:

> On Jul 8, 8:42 pm, Hachiroku <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:44:48 -0700, sam8988378 wrote:
>> > While we mainly only
>> > have serious snow a couple of times during the winter, I visit people
>> > down south who regularly have serious snow
>>
>> Um, where the 'helk' *ARE* you?!?!
>>
>> When *I* go 'down south', I can ditch my snow tires!
>
> lmao! West Virginia has had some serious snows. We took pics of someone's
> car which had been completely buried after one nasty storm. Driving
> outside of Hagerstown on Rt 81 was so bad once that you just followed the
> rapidly disappearing tracks of the drivers ahead of you.


LOL! North Carolina has, too. Three inches of snow and they shut the state
down!

I'm from Mass, and when I go down there I can't believe the number of
spin-offs I see! Of course, we're used to it up here!


So when you go 'south', you're heading up into the mountains?

Yes, definately serious snow in Mass. You're right, it is amazing to
see people panic at a couple of inches of snow. My fav was the
TransAm in front of me outside of Hagerstownwho couldn't adopt the
concept of driving @30mph or less on snow covered ice during a storm.
Everytime he lost it, went sideways and miraculously straightened out,
up he would go trying to speed.

Lately it hasn't been camping in the mountains of WV, but visiting in
the valley. Martinsburg is surrounded by mountains and gets as much
snow (if not more) than New York, and is hotter in the summers, too.

North Carolina is beautiful, though I've only been through it en route
to FL. I've heard that the Smokey Mountains are awesome.

On Jul 9, 5:22 pm, Hachiroku <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:46:33 -0700, sam8988378 wrote:
> > On Jul 8, 8:42 pm, Hachiroku <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:44:48 -0700, sam8988378 wrote:
> >> > While we mainly only
> >> > have serious snow a couple of times during the winter, I visit people
> >> > down south who regularly have serious snow
>
> >> Um, where the 'helk' *ARE* you?!?!
>
> >> When *I* go 'down south', I can ditch my snow tires!
>
> > lmao! West Virginia has had some serious snows. We took pics of someone's
> > car which had been completely buried after one nasty storm. Driving
> > outside of Hagerstown on Rt 81 was so bad once that you just followed the
> > rapidly disappearing tracks of the drivers ahead of you.
>
> LOL! North Carolina has, too. Three inches of snow and they shut the state
> down!
>
> I'm from Mass, and when I go down there I can't believe the number of
> spin-offs I see! Of course, we're used to it up here!
>
> So when you go 'south', you're heading up into the mountains?