Honda Car Forum

" dbu,." <nsp@einp.com> wrote in message
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> In article <AnOhi.11291$ya1.651@news02.roc.ny>,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
>> news:eYOdnYaNeJASLRrbnZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@sedona.net.. .
>> > "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> > news:cOudnfDPw_-APBvbnZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> >>
>> >> clearly, "safety" is not the true agenda - it's oil consumption. and
>> >> frankly, when we're buying it from a bunch of hostiles, that makes no
>> >> sense.
>> >
>> > Although, if you are talking about US imports, we don't buy much oil
>> > from
>> > hostiles - Venezuela is the top of the hostile oil supplier list at 13%
>> > of
>> > our imports. Canada is our #1 source of imported oil at 22%, Mexico is
>> > #2
>> > at 19%, Saudi Arabia is #3 at 16%. It's been that way for a long time.
>> > In
>> > fact, according to the US Dept of Energy, 55% of our oil imports come
>> > from
>> > the western hemisphere.
>>
>>
>> For further clarification of "hemisphere", I'll share some enlightenment
>> from the commander in chief:
>>
>> "Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature
>> because
>> it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods."—Austin, Texas,
>> Dec.
>> 20, 2000
>
> Did you know if you drill deep enough you can find natural gas anywhere,
> even in your own backyard? Bet you, JSB didn't know that.


If you believed that cutting off your pecker would somehow distract from
your master's foolishness, you'd have the cleaver out instantly. :-)

Notice how Mike Hunter totally avoided conversation on this piece. He cannot
conversate outside of his swift comments and run routine.


"GO Mavs" <GoMavs@MavvZ.com> wrote in message
newsZkhi.672$Pv2.197@trnddc03...
> "In the latest crash figures available from 2003, provided by the
> Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, there were 142 fatalities per
> million registered vehicles for the smallest cars. That figure drops to
> 108 fatalities for the next larger class of cars. For large sedans, that
> number drops to 61 per million. For small SUVs, the figure was 75 deaths
> per million as compared with 62 for large SUVs. For pickups, totals
> increased to 124 per million for small trucks and 102 per million for
> large."
>
>
> Technically Mike is right, but the numbers are still so low that even a
> half a percent change is not very much.
>
> Secondly, there are more small cars on the road than larger cars.
>
> Furthermore, how many of those accidents are more deadly because a gas
> hogging driver, in a large SUV, hits a small car?
>
> So basically what Mike is asking small car owners to do is to accomidate
> him because he is a pussy. So instead of buiying a 15 thousand dollar gas
> saver, you should buy a 30 thousand dollar SUV (this difference is what
> Mike calls "Saving a few bucks vs safety")
>
> This way, Mike does not feel so guilty when he crushes a smaller car with
> his Mormon sized family in his Chevy Tahoe!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Why do you find it necessary to smoke when you mow the lawn?


<rantonrave@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1183253752.302913.202860@z28g2000prd.googlegr oups.com...
>
I don't mow the lawn without safety shoes or smoke.
>

Do what I do!! I try to ALWAYS travel more than 30 miles from home, since
my insurance agent told me most accidents happen within 30 miles of where
one lives

mike

"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4687bb94$0$3155

>>
>> Exactly- I know plenty of well-educated people who don't wear their
>> seatbelts routinely. They only wear them for the highway, which is
>> stupid, since most fatalities happen within 30 minutes of one's home.
>> Dunno why that is; my guess is that on the highway, people tend to be
>> more alert.
>
> Actually, it's quite simple; most travel is within 30 minutes of one's
> home. Additionally, longer distances usually imply highway miles.
> Interstate highways don't have intersections or opposing traffic (on the
> same roadway) and are much, much safer than city streets.
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen

Finding NG is not the problem, getting it to market is the problem. If you
ever fly over the Gulf of Mexico, look down. All those fires you will see
are the oil wells burning off millions of CF of NG every year, because the
environmental laws, pushed by the environuts in the US, prevent it from
being distributed through the country. Typical stupid 'go good' thinking of
the lefty kooks

mike

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:YhThi.11298$ya1.6970@news02.roc.ny...
>" dbu,." <nsp@einp.com> wrote in message
>news:nsp-9C21EF.11222801072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> In article <AnOhi.11291$ya1.651@news02.roc.ny>,

>>
>> Did you know if you drill deep enough you can find natural gas anywhere,
>> even in your own backyard? Bet you, JSB didn't know that.
>
>
> If you believed that cutting off your pecker would somehow distract from
> your master's foolishness, you'd have the cleaver out instantly. :-)
>

" dbu,." <nsp@einp.com> wrote in message
news:nsp-9C21EF.11222801072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <AnOhi.11291$ya1.651@news02.roc.ny>,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
>> news:eYOdnYaNeJASLRrbnZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@sedona.net.. .
>> > "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> > news:cOudnfDPw_-APBvbnZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> >>
>> >> clearly, "safety" is not the true agenda - it's oil consumption. and
>> >> frankly, when we're buying it from a bunch of hostiles, that makes no
>> >> sense.
>> >
>> > Although, if you are talking about US imports, we don't buy much oil
>> > from
>> > hostiles - Venezuela is the top of the hostile oil supplier list at 13%
>> > of
>> > our imports. Canada is our #1 source of imported oil at 22%, Mexico is
>> > #2
>> > at 19%, Saudi Arabia is #3 at 16%. It's been that way for a long time.
>> > In
>> > fact, according to the US Dept of Energy, 55% of our oil imports come
>> > from
>> > the western hemisphere.
>>
>>
>> For further clarification of "hemisphere", I'll share some enlightenment
>> from the commander in chief:
>>
>> "Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature
>> because
>> it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods."—Austin, Texas,
>> Dec.
>> 20, 2000
>
> Did you know if you drill deep enough you can find natural gas anywhere,
> even in your own backyard? Bet you, JSB didn't know that.


Further hemispheric clarification:

"Anyway, I'm so thankful, and so gracious—I'm gracious that my brother Jeb
is concerned about the hemisphere as well."—Miami, Fla., June 4, 2001

I do not now, or have I ever owned an SUV. I am retired now and what I do
have is fifteen years of my thirty years experience, as an automotive
structural design engineer, designing automobile crumple zones and test
crashing hundreds of all types of vehicles and observing the result on crash
dummies.

Whether one chooses to agree or not is immaterial, the fact is one can not
defy the laws of physics. The fact remains the larger the vehicle, the more
efficient the crumple zones, and the safety features are in absorbing the
forces a collision and thus much less likely for properly belted passengers
to be injured or killed by the "third collision" where ones
organs strike ones skeleton, period.

One is free to believe whatever one wishes and buy whatever one chooses.
For me, I choose to never be caught dead in a small car, to save a
relatively few hundred dollars on fuel annually.


mike

"Go Mavz" <GoMavz@Mavs.net> wrote in message
news:esUhi.3773$vG2.684@trnddc02...
> Notice how Mike Hunter totally avoided conversation on this piece. He
> cannot conversate outside of his swift comments and run routine.
>
>
> "GO Mavs" <GoMavs@MavvZ.com> wrote in message
> newsZkhi.672$Pv2.197@trnddc03...
>> "In the latest crash figures available from 2003, provided by the
>> Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, there were 142 fatalities per
>> million registered vehicles for the smallest cars. That figure drops to
>> 108 fatalities for the next larger class of cars. For large sedans, that
>> number drops to 61 per million. For small SUVs, the figure was 75 deaths
>> per million as compared with 62 for large SUVs. For pickups, totals
>> increased to 124 per million for small trucks and 102 per million for
>> large."
>>
>>
>> Technically Mike is right, but the numbers are still so low that even a
>> half a percent change is not very much.
>>
>> Secondly, there are more small cars on the road than larger cars.
>>
>> Furthermore, how many of those accidents are more deadly because a gas
>> hogging driver, in a large SUV, hits a small car?
>>
>> So basically what Mike is asking small car owners to do is to accomidate
>> him because he is a pussy. So instead of buiying a 15 thousand dollar gas
>> saver, you should buy a 30 thousand dollar SUV (this difference is what
>> Mike calls "Saving a few bucks vs safety")
>>
>> This way, Mike does not feel so guilty when he crushes a smaller car with
>> his Mormon sized family in his Chevy Tahoe!

Mike Hunter wrote:
> I do not now, or have I ever owned an SUV. I am retired now and what I do
> have is fifteen years of my thirty years experience, as an automotive
> structural design engineer, designing automobile crumple zones and test
> crashing hundreds of all types of vehicles and observing the result on crash
> dummies.

From your comments, it looks like you volunteered at one point. That
would explain your brain damage. ;-)

> Whether one chooses to agree or not is immaterial, the fact is one can not
> defy the laws of physics. The fact remains the larger the vehicle, the more
> efficient the crumple zones, and the safety features are in absorbing the
> forces a collision and thus much less likely for properly belted passengers
> to be injured or killed by the "third collision" where ones
> organs strike ones skeleton, period.

The fact is that the smaller the vehicle, the fewer forces there are to
absorb.

The fact is that many small cars have fewer fatalities per million
miles driven than big cars.


> One is free to believe whatever one wishes and buy whatever one chooses.

One can even believe a clueless twit.

> For me, I choose to never be caught dead in a small car, to save a
> relatively few hundred dollars on fuel annually.

And for me, I choose to drive a same small car, so that I won't be
caught dead in a rollover crash.

> mike
>
> "Go Mavz" <GoMavz@Mavs.net> wrote in message
> news:esUhi.3773$vG2.684@trnddc02...
>> Notice how Mike Hunter totally avoided conversation on this piece. He
>> cannot conversate outside of his swift comments and run routine.
>>
>>
>> "GO Mavs" <GoMavs@MavvZ.com> wrote in message
>> newsZkhi.672$Pv2.197@trnddc03...
>>> "In the latest crash figures available from 2003, provided by the
>>> Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, there were 142 fatalities per
>>> million registered vehicles for the smallest cars. That figure drops to
>>> 108 fatalities for the next larger class of cars. For large sedans, that
>>> number drops to 61 per million. For small SUVs, the figure was 75 deaths
>>> per million as compared with 62 for large SUVs. For pickups, totals
>>> increased to 124 per million for small trucks and 102 per million for
>>> large."
>>>
>>>
>>> Technically Mike is right, but the numbers are still so low that even a
>>> half a percent change is not very much.
>>>
>>> Secondly, there are more small cars on the road than larger cars.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, how many of those accidents are more deadly because a gas
>>> hogging driver, in a large SUV, hits a small car?
>>>
>>> So basically what Mike is asking small car owners to do is to accomidate
>>> him because he is a pussy. So instead of buiying a 15 thousand dollar gas
>>> saver, you should buy a 30 thousand dollar SUV (this difference is what
>>> Mike calls "Saving a few bucks vs safety")
>>>
>>> This way, Mike does not feel so guilty when he crushes a smaller car with
>>> his Mormon sized family in his Chevy Tahoe!
>
>

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:eYOdnYaNeJASLRrbnZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@sedona.net.. .

> > Although, if you are talking about US imports, we don't buy much oil from
> > hostiles - Venezuela is the top of the hostile oil supplier list at 13% of
> > our imports. Canada is our #1 source of imported oil at 22%, Mexico is #2
> > at 19%, Saudi Arabia is #3 at 16%. It's been that way for a long time. In
> > fact, according to the US Dept of Energy, 55% of our oil imports come from
> > the western hemisphere.
>
>
> For further clarification of "hemisphere", I'll share some enlightenment
> from the commander in chief:
>
> "Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature because
> it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods."-Austin, Texas, Dec.
> 20, 2000

As a public service, please accompany any quotes of George W. Bush
with his blood alcohol level at the time he spoke those words.

<beerspill@whoever.com> wrote in message
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>
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
>> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
>> news:eYOdnYaNeJASLRrbnZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@sedona.net.. .
>
>> > Although, if you are talking about US imports, we don't buy much oil
>> > from
>> > hostiles - Venezuela is the top of the hostile oil supplier list at 13%
>> > of
>> > our imports. Canada is our #1 source of imported oil at 22%, Mexico is
>> > #2
>> > at 19%, Saudi Arabia is #3 at 16%. It's been that way for a long time.
>> > In
>> > fact, according to the US Dept of Energy, 55% of our oil imports come
>> > from
>> > the western hemisphere.
>>
>>
>> For further clarification of "hemisphere", I'll share some enlightenment
>> from the commander in chief:
>>
>> "Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature
>> because
>> it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods."-Austin, Texas,
>> Dec.
>> 20, 2000
>
> As a public service, please accompany any quotes of George W. Bush
> with his blood alcohol level at the time he spoke those words.
>

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