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Old 06 Jun 2007, 08:55 am
H.Daccor
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Default Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye

San Jose Mercury News http://doiop.com/jukf3i

On Tuesday, Honda said it would drop the Accord hybrid
http://doiop.com/Accord_hybrid from its lineup after the 2007 model
year.

The decision wasn't a surprise, as sales of the Accord hybrid have been
tepid since it arrived in 2004. Most analysts blame the model's failure
on Honda's decision to pair electric components with a V-6 engine
instead of with a higher-mileage four-cylinder gasoline motor.

In the United States, Honda dealers sold just 5,598 Accord hybrids last
year, and just 439 last month. Rival Toyota sold 24,009 Prius hybrids
in May, the car's best sales month in history, and 106,971 in 2006...

Not only did the Accord not get the fuel economy of the Prius, it was
more expensive, too...

Honda dropped another hybrid, the two-seat Insight, in 2006.

That leaves it with just one hybrid, the Civic, http://doiop.com/Civic-
hybrid at a time when that market segment continues to bloom...

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Old 07 Jun 2007, 01:11 am
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On Jun 6, 6:55 am, H.Daccor <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
Header@[127.1]> wrote:
> Most analysts blame the model's failure
> on Honda's decision to pair electric components with a V-6 engine
> instead of with a higher-mileage four-cylinder gasoline motor.


That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.

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Old 07 Jun 2007, 04:22 am
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Bucky wrote:
> On Jun 6, 6:55 am, H.Daccor <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
> Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
>>Most analysts blame the model's failure
>>on Honda's decision to pair electric components with a V-6 engine
>>instead of with a higher-mileage four-cylinder gasoline motor.

>
>
> That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
> which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.
>



I think the MR-2 Hybrid will sell well, if it comes out. What hybrid
buyers *don't* look for is powerful, large-ish sedans that get only
decent MPG, at a premium price.
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Old 07 Jun 2007, 05:26 pm
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"mjc13<REMOVETHIS> @verizon.net>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS> wrote in message
news:G7Q9i.7061$UD4.5014@trndny07...
> Bucky wrote:
>> On Jun 6, 6:55 am, H.Daccor <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
>> Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>>
>>>Most analysts blame the model's failure
>>>on Honda's decision to pair electric components with a V-6 engine
>>>instead of with a higher-mileage four-cylinder gasoline motor.

>>
>>
>> That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
>> which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.
>>

>
>
> I think the MR-2 Hybrid will sell well, if it comes out. What hybrid
> buyers *don't* look for is powerful, large-ish sedans that get only decent
> MPG, at a premium price.


They should have made an Acura version instead of the Accord. That is what
Toyota is doing for Lexus.


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Old 07 Jun 2007, 07:12 pm
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:26:25 GMT, "Art"
<begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:

>
>"mjc13<REMOVETHIS> @verizon.net>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS> wrote in message
>news:G7Q9i.7061$UD4.5014@trndny07...
>> Bucky wrote:
>>> On Jun 6, 6:55 am, H.Daccor <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
>>> Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Most analysts blame the model's failure
>>>>on Honda's decision to pair electric components with a V-6 engine
>>>>instead of with a higher-mileage four-cylinder gasoline motor.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
>>> which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.
>>>

>>
>>
>> I think the MR-2 Hybrid will sell well, if it comes out. What hybrid
>> buyers *don't* look for is powerful, large-ish sedans that get only decent
>> MPG, at a premium price.

>
>They should have made an Acura version instead of the Accord. That is what
>Toyota is doing for Lexus.


The performance hybrid does make a lot of sense. Performance car
drivers are willing to pay a premium for increased performance. The
fact that you might save enough on gas (premium gas, no less) to
offset the cost is a bonus. The low rpm boost would complement the
high rpm horsepower of the performance engine. It adds a little to
the techno factor that appeals to some performance drivers.

To sum up, HEY HONDA, WHERE'S MY INTEGRA GS-R HYBRID???




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Old 08 Jun 2007, 12:22 am
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On Jun 7, 5:12 pm, Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:26:25 GMT, "Art"
>
>
>
> <begunaNOSPAMPLE...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >"mjc13<REMOVETHIS> @verizon.net>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS> wrote in message
> >news:G7Q9i.7061$UD4.5014@trndny07...
> >> Bucky wrote:
> >>> On Jun 6, 6:55 am, H.Daccor <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
> >>> Header@[127.1]> wrote:

>
> >>>>Most analysts blame the model's failure
> >>>>on Honda's decision to pair electric components with a V-6 engine
> >>>>instead of with a higher-mileage four-cylinder gasoline motor.

>
> >>> That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
> >>> which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.

>
> >> I think the MR-2 Hybrid will sell well, if it comes out. What hybrid
> >> buyers *don't* look for is powerful, large-ish sedans that get only decent
> >> MPG, at a premium price.

>
> >They should have made an Acura version instead of the Accord. That is what
> >Toyota is doing for Lexus.

>
> The performance hybrid does make a lot of sense. Performance car
> drivers are willing to pay a premium for increased performance. The
> fact that you might save enough on gas (premium gas, no less) to
> offset the cost is a bonus. The low rpm boost would complement the
> high rpm horsepower of the performance engine. It adds a little to
> the techno factor that appeals to some performance drivers.
>
> To sum up, HEY HONDA, WHERE'S MY INTEGRA GS-R HYBRID???


Dear Mr. McGrew,

thank you for contacting Honda North America.
Heavy pigs we make come only in midsize front wheel drive packages.
we are trying hard not to bastardize too much the lightweight
platforms people like[d]. may we suggest that you consider a civic
hybrid and pimp it out to your liking? Unfortunately all the other
perverts are shopping at ToMoCo and we see not much demand
for the product you are requesting.

Yours faithfully,
Honda Motor Company PR department

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Old 08 Jun 2007, 08:59 am
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Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in
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>
> To sum up, HEY HONDA, WHERE'S MY INTEGRA GS-R HYBRID???
>


there's hardly any room under the hood for the current GSR motor,where are
they going to put the electric motor/generator? (and how would you work on
it?)

I -do- wish Honda would bring back the Integra and Prelude,don't really
care about a hybrid electric.
Honda/Acura doesn't currently make any autos I would be interested in.

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Old 08 Jun 2007, 10:43 am
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> Honda/Acura doesn't currently make any autos I would be interested in.


Certainly not their supposed pickup, the Ridgeline.
--
Bearman

"Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in
a swimming pool."


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Old 08 Jun 2007, 02:20 pm
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:11:30 -0700, Bucky <uw_badgers@email.com>
wrote:
>That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
>which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.


Performance buyers want PERFORMANCE, not just a half-second off the
standard model's quarter mile time.

As done it was an interesting play by Honda, but it never made a lot
of sense or had much odds of success. I salute the effort, sort of.
Probably would sell more on the Accord 4, but better yet to keep it on
the Civic, and maybe move it up to the Acuras for laffs.

J.

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Old 08 Jun 2007, 02:30 pm
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On 8 Jun 2007 13:59:33 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

>Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in
>news:316h63pt5tnofbtfg16if5ptotmnj8nmnd@4ax.com :
>
>
>
>>
>> To sum up, HEY HONDA, WHERE'S MY INTEGRA GS-R HYBRID???
>>

>
>there's hardly any room under the hood for the current GSR motor,where are
>they going to put the electric motor/generator? (and how would you work on
>it?)


Well, the GS-R has been out of production for about seven years so
obviously I am talking about a new car. I haven't checked under the
hood of the current Civic Si, but I am sure it is tight. Still, that
is the beauty of the Honda IMA, it is very compact adding only about 3
or 4 inches of width to the drive train. Seems like it would be
possible for the Honda team, especially if the next generation Civic
was designed with this in mind.

>I -do- wish Honda would bring back the Integra and Prelude,don't really
>care about a hybrid electric.
>Honda/Acura doesn't currently make any autos I would be interested in.


In this category, only the Civic Si is a contender. Not bad, but not
attractive enough to get me out of my '94 GS-R.

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