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Old 23 Feb 2012, 08:21 pm
Peabody
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Default 2012 Civic - 7500 mile scheduled maintenance?

I got a letter from the dealer about this. I can see an oil
change, and maybe rotate the tires. What else would need to be
done?

Anyone had this done, and remember what they did and what
they charged?


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Old 23 Feb 2012, 09:45 pm
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Default Re: 2012 Civic - 7500 mile scheduled maintenance?

More info on this. The car is 8 months old and just turned 7500
miles, the great majority of which was highway driving. When I go
into the Maintenance section in the multi-info display, it says the
oil has 30% remaining. That means 21-30%, and if it's really 25%,
that would put the total oil life at 10,000 miles. That seems a
bit much, but maybe not for mostly highway miles.

In any case, it appears I don't really need to take it in until the
Maintenance Minder says I need to. So the "7500 mile scheduled
maintenance" is just the dealer's idea. Does that sound right?
And the tire rotation should certainly wait a while longer.


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Old 23 Feb 2012, 10:24 pm
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On 02/23/2012 07:45 PM, Peabody wrote:
> More info on this. The car is 8 months old and just turned 7500
> miles, the great majority of which was highway driving. When I go
> into the Maintenance section in the multi-info display, it says the
> oil has 30% remaining. That means 21-30%, and if it's really 25%,
> that would put the total oil life at 10,000 miles. That seems a
> bit much, but maybe not for mostly highway miles.
>
> In any case, it appears I don't really need to take it in until the
> Maintenance Minder says I need to. So the "7500 mile scheduled
> maintenance" is just the dealer's idea. Does that sound right?
> And the tire rotation should certainly wait a while longer.


the dealer is putting their kids through college at your expense.
instead, pay attention to the sophisticated and reliable device your
vehicle's manufacturer spent millions of dollars developing and which
they gave you as an integral part - the maintenance minder.

not only have motor oils gotten better, but with the modern engine
management systems we have today, oil is not getting loaded with
over-sooty blow-by from poor fuel mixture like it used to. if you did
oil analysis, you'd almost certainly find that even 10k miles is
conservative and that the oil could last much longer.


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Old 24 Feb 2012, 05:13 am
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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Default Re: 2012 Civic - 7500 mile scheduled maintenance?

In article <20120224-022149.984.0@news.astraweb.com>,
Peabody <waybackNO784SPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I got a letter from the dealer about this. I can see an oil
> change, and maybe rotate the tires. What else would need to be
> done?
>
> Anyone had this done, and remember what they did and what
> they charged?


ummmm....so let me get this straight:

the dealership, which is an independent business, sent you a card to
come in solely because your car hit some mileage figure. And, he
suggested things that you should pay him to do.

Correct?

Allow me to stretch a bit here and assume that you have never, not once,
opened the owner's manual to your shiny new $20,000 toy.
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Old 24 Feb 2012, 07:53 am
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Elmo P. Shagnasty says...

> ummmm....so let me get this straight:


> the dealership, which is an independent business, sent
> you a card to come in solely because your car hit some
> mileage figure. And, he suggested things that you
> should pay him to do.


> Correct?


> Allow me to stretch a bit here and assume that you have
> never, not once, opened the owner's manual to your shiny
> new $20,000 toy.


Completely incorrect. I went through the manual thoroughly
when I bought the car, and again last week. Unlike my
previous car, a 94 Accord, this manual basically says
nothing about maintenance except how to check the fluids,
and to follow the maintenace minder. There are no tables
showing how often to do what maintenance. So since it's
been 18 years since I last bought a new car, I didn't know
if there was a particular reason why I needed to bring this
car in at 7500 miles. And that's why I asked here.

But I'd like to ask a favor of you, Elmo. You are so, uh,
knowledgeable, and your responses to questions in here are
so far over my head, that in the future I would appreciate
it if you would just ignore any post I might make, and not
respond to it. Could you do that for me? As I said, I
would appreciate it, and of course it would prevent your
wasting your valuable time on someone who doesn't find your
reponses particularly useful.

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Old 24 Feb 2012, 07:55 am
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jim beam says...

> the dealer is putting their kids through college at your
> expense. instead, pay attention to the sophisticated and
> reliable device your vehicle's manufacturer spent
> millions of dollars developing and which they gave you
> as an integral part - the maintenance minder.


Thanks very much. That's what I suspected. I appreciate the
helpful response.


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Old 24 Feb 2012, 08:13 am
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On 02/24/2012 05:53 AM, Peabody wrote:
> Elmo P. Shagnasty says...
>
> > ummmm....so let me get this straight:

>
> > the dealership, which is an independent business, sent
> > you a card to come in solely because your car hit some
> > mileage figure. And, he suggested things that you
> > should pay him to do.

>
> > Correct?

>
> > Allow me to stretch a bit here and assume that you have
> > never, not once, opened the owner's manual to your shiny
> > new $20,000 toy.

>
> Completely incorrect. I went through the manual thoroughly
> when I bought the car, and again last week. Unlike my
> previous car, a 94 Accord, this manual basically says
> nothing about maintenance except how to check the fluids,
> and to follow the maintenace minder.


ok...


> There are no tables
> showing how often to do what maintenance.


so, you either /haven't/ actually read the part about how to follow the
maintenance minder, or you didn't understand it.


> So since it's
> been 18 years since I last bought a new car, I didn't know
> if there was a particular reason why I needed to bring this
> car in at 7500 miles. And that's why I asked here.


so what you're really asking is whether you should go ahead and ignore
the multi-million dollar tool carefully installed on your car which you
say you know but clearly /don't/ know how to use, or just stick with the
program of paying college fees for someone else's kids. doesn't seem
like a hard decision to me.


>
> But I'd like to ask a favor of you, Elmo. You are so, uh,
> knowledgeable, and your responses to questions in here are
> so far over my head, that in the future I would appreciate
> it if you would just ignore any post I might make, and not
> respond to it. Could you do that for me? As I said, I
> would appreciate it, and of course it would prevent your
> wasting your valuable time on someone who doesn't find your
> reponses particularly useful.
>


ok, so please explain how the **** it makes sense to ask for information
if you don't actually want to know it??????


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Old 24 Feb 2012, 08:16 am
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On 02/24/2012 05:55 AM, Peabody wrote:
> jim beam says...
>
> > the dealer is putting their kids through college at your
> > expense. instead, pay attention to the sophisticated and
> > reliable device your vehicle's manufacturer spent
> > millions of dollars developing and which they gave you
> > as an integral part - the maintenance minder.

>
> Thanks very much. That's what I suspected. I appreciate the
> helpful response.


no you don't - otherwise you'd have said the same thing to elmo because
he gave you exactly the same information.


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Old 24 Feb 2012, 10:38 am
Douglas C. Neidermeyer
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On 2/24/12 8:53 AM, Peabody wrote:
> Elmo P. Shagnasty says...
>
> > ummmm....so let me get this straight:

>
> > the dealership, which is an independent business, sent
> > you a card to come in solely because your car hit some
> > mileage figure. And, he suggested things that you
> > should pay him to do.

>
> > Correct?

>
> > Allow me to stretch a bit here and assume that you have
> > never, not once, opened the owner's manual to your shiny
> > new $20,000 toy.

>
> Completely incorrect. I went through the manual thoroughly
> when I bought the car, and again last week. Unlike my
> previous car, a 94 Accord, this manual basically says
> nothing about maintenance except how to check the fluids,
> and to follow the maintenace minder. There are no tables
> showing how often to do what maintenance. So since it's
> been 18 years since I last bought a new car, I didn't know
> if there was a particular reason why I needed to bring this
> car in at 7500 miles. And that's why I asked here.
>
> But I'd like to ask a favor of you, Elmo. You are so, uh,
> knowledgeable, and your responses to questions in here are
> so far over my head, that in the future I would appreciate
> it if you would just ignore any post I might make, and not
> respond to it. Could you do that for me? As I said, I
> would appreciate it, and of course it would prevent your
> wasting your valuable time on someone who doesn't find your
> reponses particularly useful.
>


What I've seen in this NG is that there's one ace mechanic who knows
about everything there is to know about Hondas and consistently offers
accurate, on-point, succinct advice and solutions. There's also a few
fairly knowledgeable wrench turners who usually have something
constructive to offer.

Then there's the usual assortment of NG adolescents, wannabes, angry
boys, and hip shooting generic butt-heads who rarely have anything to
add-- but insist on posting anyway. They make the most noise here...kind
of like a machine badly in need of lubrication.

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Faithfully submitted,
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Old 24 Feb 2012, 01:23 pm
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Peabody, wrote the following at or about 2/24/2012 7:53 AM:

[snip]

> Completely incorrect. I went through the manual thoroughly
> when I bought the car, and again last week. Unlike my
> previous car, a 94 Accord, this manual basically says
> nothing about maintenance except how to check the fluids,
> and to follow the maintenace minder.


And that seems to be the Golden Rule for Honda's (as well as any other
car). When dealers are forced to cut their profits on sales to the bone
to bring in customers, they gotta make it up somewhere and that
somewhere is the service bay.

Your dealer is actually pretty decent. Following the maintenance minder
on my 2006 Accord (~ 87,000 mi), I find I'm changing the oil - on
average - around 8,000 miles. It's been as low as 6,800 and as high,
IIRC, as 9,500. When I've had the change at the Honda shop, they tell
me I'm due in 3,000, same as the quick lube joints. Screw them!

The other dealerships are just as bad. I recall seeing a GM service
bulletin in the early 2000's PLEADING with their dealerships to follow
the service minder installed in the cars rather than trying to rope
their customers in for unneeded service.


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