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Old 23 May 2007, 05:03 am
mjc13
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Default Major Service Intervals for '94 Civic EX

I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is the
125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt and
water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly serviced
and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm not sure the
water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer have done at 60k
and 90k miles?
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Old 23 May 2007, 06:20 am
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"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
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> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is the
> 125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt and
> water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly serviced
> and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm not sure the
> water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer have done at 60k
> and 90k miles?
>



Go here:
https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp
Choose "Owner's Manuals" from the menu at left, then navigate to your car.
No login required.

This will bring up the Owner's Manual for the '94 Civic. This manual will
contain the maintenance schedule.

The water pump should be replaced at the same time as the belt. If this is
the car's second change, the tensioner should be replaced as well.

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Old 23 May 2007, 07:52 am
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Default Re: Major Service Intervals for '94 Civic EX

mjc13<REMOVETHIS> wrote:
> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is the
> 125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt and
> water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly serviced
> and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm not sure the
> water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer have done at 60k
> and 90k miles?


unless you have a genuine service record, you cant assume /anything/ was
done on schedule. there's no reason why this can't be a perfectly fine
vehicle but you must pay a price that reflects the need to spend money
taking care of what's not definitely been maintained.
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Old 23 May 2007, 02:45 pm
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jim beam wrote:
> mjc13<REMOVETHIS> wrote:
>
>> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is the
>> 125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt
>> and water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly
>> serviced and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm not
>> sure the water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer have
>> done at 60k and 90k miles?

>
>
> unless you have a genuine service record, you cant assume /anything/ was
> done on schedule. there's no reason why this can't be a perfectly fine
> vehicle but you must pay a price that reflects the need to spend money
> taking care of what's not definitely been maintained.



I understand. I'll be looking at a fax of a dealer service stop, and
making an offer according to what it still needs.
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Old 23 May 2007, 02:45 pm
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Tegger wrote:

> "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:ujU4i.24961$xu.19233@trndny07:
>
>
>> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is the
>>125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt and
>>water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly serviced
>>and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm not sure the
>>water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer have done at 60k
>>and 90k miles?
>>

>
>
>
> Go here:
> https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp
> Choose "Owner's Manuals" from the menu at left, then navigate to your car.
> No login required.
>
> This will bring up the Owner's Manual for the '94 Civic. This manual will
> contain the maintenance schedule.
>
> The water pump should be replaced at the same time as the belt. If this is
> the car's second change, the tensioner should be replaced as well.
>


Thanks for the link and info.
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Old 23 May 2007, 02:49 pm
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Default Re: Major Service Intervals for '94 Civic EX

Tegger wrote:

> "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:ujU4i.24961$xu.19233@trndny07:
>
>
>> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is the
>>125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt and
>>water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly serviced
>>and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm not sure the
>>water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer have done at 60k
>>and 90k miles?
>>

>
>
>
> Go here:
> https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp
> Choose "Owner's Manuals" from the menu at left, then navigate to your car.
> No login required.
>
> This will bring up the Owner's Manual for the '94 Civic. This manual will
> contain the maintenance schedule.
>
> The water pump should be replaced at the same time as the belt. If this is
> the car's second change, the tensioner should be replaced as well.
>


I just checked that online manual, and unless the dealer was
proactive, the water pump was only "inspected," Great...
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Old 23 May 2007, 03:38 pm
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mjc13<REMOVETHIS> wrote:
> I just checked that online manual, and unless the dealer was
> proactive, the water pump was only "inspected," Great...


-------------------------

In Canada the dealers will tell you just about anything you need to
know. You walk in and tell the service writer that 'Joe' is selling /
has sold you his car and you know THEY serviced it, (you provide the
VIN) and eventually you walk out with reprints of the work orders that
they have. You can find the exact date it was sold and the dealership's
number too.

Done it about 6 times.

'Curly'
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Old 23 May 2007, 04:15 pm
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motsco_ wrote:
> mjc13<REMOVETHIS> wrote:
>
>> I just checked that online manual, and unless the dealer was
>> proactive, the water pump was only "inspected," Great...

>
>
> -------------------------
>
> In Canada the dealers will tell you just about anything you need to
> know. You walk in and tell the service writer that 'Joe' is selling /
> has sold you his car and you know THEY serviced it, (you provide the
> VIN) and eventually you walk out with reprints of the work orders that
> they have. You can find the exact date it was sold and the dealership's
> number too.
>
> Done it about 6 times.
>
> 'Curly'



As I wrote earlier, I'll be looking at a fax of a service order
tomorrow. The car was bought and serviced on the other side of the
country from where it is (and I am) now, so it's not as easy. Basically
I wanted to know how likely it was that the water pump was ever
replaced, and I'm disappointed to learn that Honda didn't give a
specific mileage for doing it, like every 90k miles. This gives
cheapskate owners a reason to skimp on service, and then act aggrieved
when I deduct the $600 for that service they never had done, from my
offer...
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Old 23 May 2007, 05:59 pm
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"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
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> Tegger wrote:
>
>> "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:ujU4i.24961$xu.19233@trndny07:
>>
>>
>>> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is
>>> the
>>>125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt
>>>and water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly
>>>serviced and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm
>>>not sure the water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer
>>>have done at 60k and 90k miles?
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>> Go here:
>> https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp
>> Choose "Owner's Manuals" from the menu at left, then navigate to your
>> car. No login required.
>>
>> This will bring up the Owner's Manual for the '94 Civic. This manual
>> will contain the maintenance schedule.
>>
>> The water pump should be replaced at the same time as the belt. If
>> this is the car's second change, the tensioner should be replaced as
>> well.
>>

>
> I just checked that online manual, and unless the dealer was
> proactive, the water pump was only "inspected," Great...




"Inspected" would mean the mechanic spun the pulley by hand to see how
it felt. You can tell if the pump's going bad just by doing that.

Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the coolant is
changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM fluid. IF...

The reason you change it every belt change is because you have to pull
the timing belt off to get at it in the first place, so the labor is
mostly the same. But, with a $60 part charge, $20 for coolant, and maybe
an additional hour's labor ($180 total for the pump), there's
considerable incentive for customers to skimp on the pump.

Dealers will change just the pump if that's what you want, but it's been
my experience that they will try to talk you into doing the pump too,
which is a great idea, regardless of the perceived "ripoff" factor.

I guess Honda assumes everybody will use Honda coolant and change it
when they're supposed to.

If you have no documented proof that the pump was changed, just keep an
ear/eye on your engine, especially at startup. If there are no strange
squealing noises, no coolant leaks on the ground at the timing belt end,
your pump is still OK.

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Old 23 May 2007, 06:44 pm
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Tegger wrote:
> "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:GV05i.24982$xu.3831@trndny07:
>
>
>>Tegger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
>>>news:ujU4i.24961$xu.19233@trndny07:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is
>>>> the
>>>>125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt
>>>>and water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly
>>>>serviced and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm
>>>>not sure the water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer
>>>>have done at 60k and 90k miles?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Go here:
>>>https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp
>>>Choose "Owner's Manuals" from the menu at left, then navigate to your
>>>car. No login required.
>>>
>>>This will bring up the Owner's Manual for the '94 Civic. This manual
>>>will contain the maintenance schedule.
>>>
>>>The water pump should be replaced at the same time as the belt. If
>>>this is the car's second change, the tensioner should be replaced as
>>>well.
>>>

>>
>> I just checked that online manual, and unless the dealer was
>>proactive, the water pump was only "inspected," Great...

>
>
>
>
> "Inspected" would mean the mechanic spun the pulley by hand to see how
> it felt. You can tell if the pump's going bad just by doing that.
>
> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the coolant is
> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM fluid. IF...
>
> The reason you change it every belt change is because you have to pull
> the timing belt off to get at it in the first place, so the labor is
> mostly the same. But, with a $60 part charge, $20 for coolant, and maybe
> an additional hour's labor ($180 total for the pump), there's
> considerable incentive for customers to skimp on the pump.
>
> Dealers will change just the pump if that's what you want, but it's been
> my experience that they will try to talk you into doing the pump too,
> which is a great idea, regardless of the perceived "ripoff" factor.
>
> I guess Honda assumes everybody will use Honda coolant and change it
> when they're supposed to.
>
> If you have no documented proof that the pump was changed, just keep an
> ear/eye on your engine, especially at startup. If there are no strange
> squealing noises, no coolant leaks on the ground at the timing belt end,
> your pump is still OK.
>


Yeah, that's the plan, but I sure wish other people were more like
me. I have the oil seals done with the belt and pump, if the mileage is
over 100k. My '86 CIvic Si (bought new) is 22 years old and still runs
fine...
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