Honda Car Forum

"Don Enderton" <Enderton@nosuchaddress.duh> wrote in
news:Mi42i.150733$VU4.123282@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

> Thanks, Tegger, I went to the Wikipedia link, which led to another
> link, and the resulting consensus seems to be:
>
> 1) Where possible, post to only one group, but
>
> 2) If there is a reason, it's OK to post to two and not more than
> three groups, and


You can post to more than three if there are more groups possibly relevant
to your post (some computer groups are like that).


>
> 3) If I post to more than one group, I should take care to NOT "double
> post" (what I did) but rather to "crosspost" such that the resulting
> messages will show both groups in the header, and such that replies
> from either group will go to both groups.


That's right.


>
> I understand the traffic problems that result from posting in more
> than one group, especially if replies then go to more than one group.
>
> But there is a special problem here: There are two Honda groups, not
> one.


Three, if you count alt.autos.acura.


> And both get a lot of traffic. If I only post to one, 1/3 or
> more of the Honda community won't see my post. Tegger, are you
> suggesting I should pick just one group (maybe the one with the most
> traffic, or the one with the least spam, or the one with the fewest
> unpleasant people) and limit my posts to that one?


If I'm unfamiliar with the group category I wish to post to, I scan the
relevant groups briefly to see 1) which has the most traffic, and 2) which
appears to have knowledgeable posters. I then (cross)post as necessary.

Occasionally people will remove the crossposting, so I have to manually
check each group I post to, just in case. It's a bit of a hassle.


>
> I do wish the two groups would combine into one, but as there is no
> administrative mechanism to accomplish that, posting to two (in
> whatever is the least objectionable way) seems the next best solution.


This is a puzzle, yes. And I too wish the two groups would consolidate.
There appears to be no reason both should exist. The presence of the two
just splits the messages and prevents complete communication.

I tend to stick with rec.autos.makers.honda just because it has the most
traffic, but I scan this one as well. And if I have something I think is
important, such as an update to the Unofficial FAQ, I'll crosspost to the
three Honda groups.

One other problem is that not all providers carry all groups, so posting to
both Honda ones catches everybody.

Finally, in re-reading my original post to you, I see I was kind of snarky,
Apologies for that.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

In article
<Mi42i.150733$VU4.123282@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Don Enderton" <Enderton@nosuchaddress.duh> wrote:

> 3) If I post to more than one group, I should take care to NOT "double post"
> (what I did) but rather to "crosspost" such that the resulting messages will
> show both groups in the header, and such that replies from either group will
> go to both groups..
>
> I understand the traffic problems that result from posting in more than one
> group, especially if replies then go to more than one group.
>
> But there is a special problem here: There are two Honda groups, not one.
> And both get a lot of traffic. If I only post to one, 1/3 or more of the
> Honda community won't see my post. Tegger, are you suggesting I should pick
> just one group (maybe the one with the most traffic, or the one with the
> least spam, or the one with the fewest unpleasant people) and limit my posts
> to that one?

No. He's saying to cross post, just like what you outlined in 3) above.

On May 11, 9:45 am, Grumpy AuContraire <Gru...@ExtraGrumpyville.com>
wrote:
> In my forty plus years of fiddlin' with cars, I have found Castrol to
> cut consumption by as much as 50% regardless of the type of car involved
> in ever case.
>
> Just like in politics, it's a case of, "Follow the money."
>
> It's just that simple...
>
> JT
>
>
>
> Howard wrote:
> > Here in the southeast Mobil is the distributor for Honda motor oil. I'm not
> > sure about the rest of the country. The Honda branded oil is formulated by
> > Mobil to Honda specs. There's not much better for your car. As for Castrol,
> > it's a fine motor oil. Probably no better or worse than any other major
> > motor oil manufacturer, except for some of the premium and/or racing oils or
> > synthetics.
> > What Castrol is best for is marketing. There is no oil company that spends
> > more time and money on marketing and promoting its product than Castrol.
> > They spend millions on promoting and the result is what many people
> > including yourself think that it is better and consequently it pays them
> > back in sales. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't better. But there is not much
> > difference between equivalent spec Mobil or Castrol or most other major
> > brands for that matter.
> > If you want superior, use Amsoil or Royal Purple, but be prepared to pay a
> > handsome price for something that will make little or no difference in a
> > well maintained properly oil changed vehicle.
> > Howard
> > "Don Enderton" <Ender...@nosuchaddress.duh> wrote in message
> >news:sOI0i.5504$yM2.3404@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> >>My local Honda dealer, where I get my oil changed, switched from Castrol
> >>to Mobil oil. Also, the paperwork and windshield sticker no longer
> >>indicate the grade or weight (should be API service SJ "energy conserving"
> >>oil, SAE 5-30 viscosity, for my particular year and model).
>
> >>I had an impression from years ago that Castrol was considered a superior
> >>brand. Is that still true, and if so, why?
>
> >>The service manager at Mel Rapton Honda in Sacramento, CA, says one reason
> >>he switched is price. Mobil is cheaper. And he assures me it meets all
> >>the factory specs, although I can't verify that because I can't see the
> >>label for what they put in my car.
>
> >>He also says that all Hondas come with Mobil oil in the crankcase from the
> >>factory, whether in the US or Japan. Is that true?
>
> >>OK, so Mobil is cheaper. Assuming the product is marked as meeting the
> >>factory specs for my car, is it good enough?
>
> >>I am not asking here about synthetic oil; please limit responses to
> >>conventional oil products only.
>
> >>And please, I hope to hear informed and expert knowledge here, not
> >>speculation and guesses. Thank you.
>
> >>- Don- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

In the most recent oil test, Consumer Reports famously/infamously
didn't see any differences. But..... in the test before that, decades
ago, Castrol came out on top, followed by Valvoline Turbo (the top
Valvoline at the time). This ranking matched what most of the serious
car guys I knew ranked them as. I was kind of surprised at the time, i
assumed the big names like Quaker State must be the best. Har har har,
I was young then.

z wrote:
> On May 11, 9:45 am, Grumpy AuContraire <Gru...@ExtraGrumpyville.com>
> wrote:
>
>>In my forty plus years of fiddlin' with cars, I have found Castrol to
>>cut consumption by as much as 50% regardless of the type of car involved
>>in ever case.
>>
>>Just like in politics, it's a case of, "Follow the money."
>>
>>It's just that simple...
>>
>>JT
>>
>>
>>
>>Howard wrote:
>>
>>>Here in the southeast Mobil is the distributor for Honda motor oil. I'm not
>>>sure about the rest of the country. The Honda branded oil is formulated by
>>>Mobil to Honda specs. There's not much better for your car. As for Castrol,
>>>it's a fine motor oil. Probably no better or worse than any other major
>>>motor oil manufacturer, except for some of the premium and/or racing oils or
>>>synthetics.
>>>What Castrol is best for is marketing. There is no oil company that spends
>>>more time and money on marketing and promoting its product than Castrol.
>>>They spend millions on promoting and the result is what many people
>>>including yourself think that it is better and consequently it pays them
>>>back in sales. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't better. But there is not much
>>>difference between equivalent spec Mobil or Castrol or most other major
>>>brands for that matter.
>>>If you want superior, use Amsoil or Royal Purple, but be prepared to pay a
>>>handsome price for something that will make little or no difference in a
>>>well maintained properly oil changed vehicle.
>>>Howard
>>>"Don Enderton" <Ender...@nosuchaddress.duh> wrote in message
>>>news:sOI0i.5504$yM2.3404@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>>>My local Honda dealer, where I get my oil changed, switched from Castrol
>>>>to Mobil oil. Also, the paperwork and windshield sticker no longer
>>>>indicate the grade or weight (should be API service SJ "energy conserving"
>>>>oil, SAE 5-30 viscosity, for my particular year and model).
>>
>>>>I had an impression from years ago that Castrol was considered a superior
>>>>brand. Is that still true, and if so, why?
>>
>>>>The service manager at Mel Rapton Honda in Sacramento, CA, says one reason
>>>>he switched is price. Mobil is cheaper. And he assures me it meets all
>>>>the factory specs, although I can't verify that because I can't see the
>>>>label for what they put in my car.
>>
>>>>He also says that all Hondas come with Mobil oil in the crankcase from the
>>>>factory, whether in the US or Japan. Is that true?
>>
>>>>OK, so Mobil is cheaper. Assuming the product is marked as meeting the
>>>>factory specs for my car, is it good enough?
>>
>>>>I am not asking here about synthetic oil; please limit responses to
>>>>conventional oil products only.
>>
>>>>And please, I hope to hear informed and expert knowledge here, not
>>>>speculation and guesses. Thank you.
>>
>>>>- Don- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> In the most recent oil test, Consumer Reports famously/infamously
> didn't see any differences. But..... in the test before that, decades
> ago, Castrol came out on top, followed by Valvoline Turbo (the top
> Valvoline at the time). This ranking matched what most of the serious
> car guys I knew ranked them as. I was kind of surprised at the time, i
> assumed the big names like Quaker State must be the best. Har har har,
> I was young then.
>


I think that you have to take Consumer Reports test results with a grain
of salt as they have been exposed with regards to some questionable
testing/rating processes.

Often, it's best to go with your experienced gut...

JT

(Add to the crap list Bosch and Champion sparkplugs)

Hey Don here's some info on your topic . Hope this helps.
http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm