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Old 07 May 2007, 01:42 am
Tim
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Default Signs that side and front engine mounts are bad?

I know my rear engine mount is bad from the way the engine vibrates
when I am in reverse.

As I replace the rear mount how do I know if the other mounts are also
in need of change?

Thanks,
Tim

91 Accord 173k

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Old 07 May 2007, 07:34 am
Michael Pardee
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Default Re: Signs that side and front engine mounts are bad?

"Tim" <timcall@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>I know my rear engine mount is bad from the way the engine vibrates
> when I am in reverse.
>
> As I replace the rear mount how do I know if the other mounts are also
> in need of change?
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
> 91 Accord 173k
>
>

Before you condemn the mount... is this an automatic transmission vehicle?
If so, the rear mount is hydraulic and the problem may be in the control
system.

Take a look at the mount. If there is a lever on the top of it and a vacuum
tube, it is a hydraulic mount. That lever should be in one position - firm -
most of the time and in the other - soft - at idle in gear. Often that lever
gets stiff and oil may or may not fix it. In addition, be sure vacuum is
applied when idling in gear. The hose or the valve that controls the mount
would be suspect if the vacuum is absent or weak.

Haynes says an expert is needed to troubleshoot the hydraulic mount system,
but the real Honda manual available from helminc.com has the simple
procedure.

Mike



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Old 07 May 2007, 01:36 pm
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Default Re: Signs that side and front engine mounts are bad?

On May 7, 7:34 am, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
wrote:
>
> Before you condemn the mount... is this an automatic transmission vehicle?
> If so, the rear mount is hydraulic and the problem may be in the control
> system.
>
> Take a look at the mount. If there is a lever on the top of it and a vacuum
> tube, it is a hydraulic mount. That lever should be in one position - firm -
> most of the time and in the other - soft - at idle in gear. Often that lever
> gets stiff and oil may or may not fix it. In addition, be sure vacuum is
> applied when idling in gear. The hose or the valve that controls the mount
> would be suspect if the vacuum is absent or weak.
>
> Haynes says an expert is needed to troubleshoot the hydraulic mount system,
> but the real Honda manual available from helminc.com has the simple
> procedure.
>
> Mike



But I don't see a lever. Could that be just on other year models?

I see the vacuum hose to the mount going into a round case, about the
diameter of a half-dollar, at the base of the mount. There is
virtually no vacuum present in the tube as it goes into the mount (at
idle in gear.)

Thanks Mike.




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Old 07 May 2007, 01:38 pm
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Default Re: Signs that side and front engine mounts are bad?

On May 7, 7:34 am, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
wrote:

>
> Before you condemn the mount... is this an automatic transmission vehicle?
> If so, the rear mount is hydraulic and the problem may be in the control
> system.
>
> Take a look at the mount. If there is a lever on the top of it and a vacuum
> tube, it is a hydraulic mount. That lever should be in one position - firm -
> most of the time and in the other - soft - at idle in gear. Often that lever
> gets stiff and oil may or may not fix it. In addition, be sure vacuum is
> applied when idling in gear. The hose or the valve that controls the mount
> would be suspect if the vacuum is absent or weak.
>
> Haynes says an expert is needed to troubleshoot the hydraulic mount system,
> but the real Honda manual available from helminc.com has the simple
> procedure.
>
> Mike


I don't see a lever. Could that be just on other year models?

I see the vacuum hose to the mount going into a round case, about the
diameter of a half-dollar, at the base of the mount. There is
virtually no vacuum present in the tube as it goes into the mount (at
idle in gear.)


Thanks Mike.




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Old 07 May 2007, 06:20 pm
Michael Pardee
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Default Re: Signs that side and front engine mounts are bad?

"Tim" <timcall@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1178562981.186556.160910@p77g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> On May 7, 7:34 am, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Before you condemn the mount... is this an automatic transmission
>> vehicle?
>> If so, the rear mount is hydraulic and the problem may be in the control
>> system.
>>
>> Take a look at the mount. If there is a lever on the top of it and a
>> vacuum
>> tube, it is a hydraulic mount. That lever should be in one position -
>> firm -
>> most of the time and in the other - soft - at idle in gear. Often that
>> lever
>> gets stiff and oil may or may not fix it. In addition, be sure vacuum is
>> applied when idling in gear. The hose or the valve that controls the
>> mount
>> would be suspect if the vacuum is absent or weak.
>>
>> Haynes says an expert is needed to troubleshoot the hydraulic mount
>> system,
>> but the real Honda manual available from helminc.com has the simple
>> procedure.
>>
>> Mike

>
>
> But I don't see a lever. Could that be just on other year models?
>
> I see the vacuum hose to the mount going into a round case, about the
> diameter of a half-dollar, at the base of the mount. There is
> virtually no vacuum present in the tube as it goes into the mount (at
> idle in gear.)
>
> Thanks Mike.
>
>
>
>
>

At least this leads you to places that are easier to see and get at :-)

The hose is easy enough to follow up to the control valve, located near the
top of the firewall right in the center. The valve gets vacuum from that
short hose that connects it to the intake plenum. The connector has only two
pins, that should have something like 12 volts across them when the engine
is idling. (I must have been wrong about having to be in gear. In addition,
the troubleshooting flow chart requires the engine to be warmed up; the
radiator fan runs at least twice.) The vacuum is shut off by the valve when
the engine is above 700 or 750 rpm.

Mike



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