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Old 04 May 2007, 03:36 pm
A.Nonimus@nospam.tv
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Default Question re first 3 month service

I got an email from Honda saying my new 2007 Honda LX is due for it's
first maintenance, an oil change.

Do I have to do this maintenance after 3 months, despite the fact that
I only have 1000 miles on my new car?

I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light
came on, on the dashboard?

No? What's the deal here?

I want to do the scheduled maintenances in order to keep my warranty
good, but an oil change after only 1000 miles???


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Old 04 May 2007, 04:04 pm
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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Default Re: Question re first 3 month service

In article <u66n335n1pdc0nh9dpo021gvq1hmtqavss@4ax.com>,
A.Nonimus@nospam.tv wrote:

> I got an email from Honda saying my new 2007 Honda LX is due for it's
> first maintenance, an oil change.


From Honda, or from your Honda dealer?

Those are two VERY different entities.

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Old 04 May 2007, 04:06 pm
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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Default Re: Question re first 3 month service

In article <u66n335n1pdc0nh9dpo021gvq1hmtqavss@4ax.com>,
A.Nonimus@nospam.tv wrote:

> I got an email from Honda saying my new 2007 Honda LX is due for it's
> first maintenance, an oil change.
>
> Do I have to do this maintenance after 3 months, despite the fact that
> I only have 1000 miles on my new car?
>
> I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light
> came on, on the dashboard?
>
> No? What's the deal here?


The deal here is that you can't differentiate between American Honda
Motor Corp, which doesn't sell or service cars, and your dealership,
which does sell and service cars.

Your dealership has an automated system that begs people to come in
every 3K miles and spend money.

American Honda Motor Manufacturing built an automated system into the
car that tells the driver when it's time to spend money.

Two very different things, with two VERY different goals.

If you can't differentiate between Honda, the manufacturer and your
Honda dealership, you're ripe for getting fleeced.

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Old 04 May 2007, 09:00 pm
A. Nonimus
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Default Re: Question re first 3 month service

On May 4, 2:06 pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <e...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <u66n335n1pdc0nh9dpo021gvq1hmtqa...@4ax.com>,
>
> A.Noni...@nospam.tv wrote:
> > I got an email from Honda saying my new 2007 Honda LX is due for it's
> > first maintenance, an oil change.

>
> > Do I have to do this maintenance after 3 months, despite the fact that
> > I only have 1000 miles on my new car?

>
> > I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light
> > came on, on the dashboard?

>
> > No? What's the deal here?

>
> The deal here is that you can't differentiate between American Honda
> Motor Corp, which doesn't sell or service cars, and your dealership,
> which does sell and service cars.
>
> Your dealership has an automated system that begs people to come in
> every 3K miles and spend money.
>
> American Honda Motor Manufacturing built an automated system into the
> car that tells the driver when it's time to spend money.
>
> Two very different things, with two VERY different goals.
>
> If you can't differentiate between Honda, the manufacturer and your
> Honda dealership, you're ripe for getting fleeced.


Okay, so which one is it that controls when I have to get maintenance
in order to keep my Warranty valid?
Basically, what you seem to be saying is that the local Honda dealer
is trying to pull a fast one and convince me that I need to do
maintenance that I do not need to do, according to American Honda
Manufacturing.
So according to American Honda Manufacturing I do not need to do the
maintenance until it comes up on my dashboard?


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Old 04 May 2007, 09:26 pm
Tegger
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"A. Nonimus" <pdsnickles@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1178330454.588324.232540
@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:


> Basically, what you seem to be saying is that the local Honda dealer
> is trying to pull a fast one and convince me that I need to do
> maintenance that I do not need to do, according to American Honda
> Manufacturing.
> So according to American Honda Manufacturing I do not need to do the
> maintenance until it comes up on my dashboard?
>
>
>




That is correct.

However, you may want to peruse the Warranty booklet that came with your
shiny new car. This booklet (published by American Honda) will tell you
what exactly you need to do to the car in order to keep your warranty
valid, this being entirely independent of what the franchised dealer wants
you to do.

The dealer, of course (being an independent company from Honda), would like
you to give them more money than you might otherwise bestow. What they want
you to spend will certainly do the car good and not harm, but is it really
necessary? Not if Honda doesn't say it's necessary. Clear as mud?

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Old 05 May 2007, 08:19 am
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"A. Nonimus" <pdsnickles@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On May 4, 2:06 pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <e...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>> In article <u66n335n1pdc0nh9dpo021gvq1hmtqa...@4ax.com>,
>>
>> A.Noni...@nospam.tv wrote:
>> > I got an email from Honda saying my new 2007 Honda LX is due for it's
>> > first maintenance, an oil change.

>>
>> > Do I have to do this maintenance after 3 months, despite the fact that
>> > I only have 1000 miles on my new car?

>>
>> > I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light
>> > came on, on the dashboard?

>>
>> > No? What's the deal here?

>>
>> The deal here is that you can't differentiate between American Honda
>> Motor Corp, which doesn't sell or service cars, and your dealership,
>> which does sell and service cars.
>>
>> Your dealership has an automated system that begs people to come in
>> every 3K miles and spend money.
>>
>> American Honda Motor Manufacturing built an automated system into the
>> car that tells the driver when it's time to spend money.
>>
>> Two very different things, with two VERY different goals.
>>
>> If you can't differentiate between Honda, the manufacturer and your
>> Honda dealership, you're ripe for getting fleeced.

>
>Okay, so which one is it that controls when I have to get maintenance
>in order to keep my Warranty valid?
>Basically, what you seem to be saying is that the local Honda dealer
>is trying to pull a fast one and convince me that I need to do
>maintenance that I do not need to do, according to American Honda
>Manufacturing.
>So according to American Honda Manufacturing I do not need to do the
>maintenance until it comes up on my dashboard?
>



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Old 05 May 2007, 08:45 am
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Tegger wrote:
> "A. Nonimus" <pdsnickles@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1178330454.588324.232540
> @e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>> Basically, what you seem to be saying is that the local Honda dealer
>> is trying to pull a fast one and convince me that I need to do
>> maintenance that I do not need to do, according to American Honda
>> Manufacturing.
>> So according to American Honda Manufacturing I do not need to do the
>> maintenance until it comes up on my dashboard?
>>
>>
>>

>
>
>
> That is correct.
>
> However, you may want to peruse the Warranty booklet that came with your
> shiny new car. This booklet (published by American Honda) will tell you
> what exactly you need to do to the car in order to keep your warranty
> valid,


to clarify, it specifies the service schedule, and to keep the warranty
valid, the service schedule needs to be observed correctly. but
legally, the work doesn't need to be done by the dealer - you can even
do it yourself. simply keep records of the work done, the mileages at
which it was done, and keep receipts. if you change the oil yourself
for instance, keep receipts for its purchase and make a note in the
service schedule accordingly.

> this being entirely independent of what the franchised dealer wants
> you to do.
>
> The dealer, of course (being an independent company from Honda), would like
> you to give them more money than you might otherwise bestow. What they want
> you to spend will certainly do the car good and not harm, but is it really
> necessary? Not if Honda doesn't say it's necessary. Clear as mud?


the warranty booklet kinda sorta dances the tightrope of saying the work
should be done by the dealer, without actually saying it in a way that
breaks the law, the law being that warranty /is/ legally maintained if
the schedule is properly observed. there are benefits of having the
work done by the dealer of course, but economy isn't one of them, and in
the case of san francisco honda [for example], they'll try and rip you
for spectacular amounts of unnecessary work.

to the average driver, the cost benefit of taking an evening course in
basic car tech, is HUGE. even if they never intend to pick up a wrench
ever again, they can thereafter walk into a shop and have some knowledge
of what's going on and often avoid substantial expense because of it.
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Old 05 May 2007, 09:45 am
Tegger
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Default Re: Question re first 3 month service

jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:bPSdne6QnYDoF6HbnZ2dnUVZ_tqnnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> Tegger wrote:
>> "A. Nonimus" <pdsnickles@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:1178330454.588324.232540 @e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>> Basically, what you seem to be saying is that the local Honda dealer
>>> is trying to pull a fast one and convince me that I need to do
>>> maintenance that I do not need to do, according to American Honda
>>> Manufacturing.
>>> So according to American Honda Manufacturing I do not need to do the
>>> maintenance until it comes up on my dashboard?
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>> That is correct.
>>
>> However, you may want to peruse the Warranty booklet that came with
>> your shiny new car. This booklet (published by American Honda) will
>> tell you what exactly you need to do to the car in order to keep your
>> warranty valid,

>
> to clarify, it specifies the service schedule, and to keep the
> warranty valid, the service schedule needs to be observed correctly.




The latest cars do not have service schedules listed in their Owner's
Manuals. You are supposed to go entirely by the dashboard's Maintenance
Minder.

The Warranty booklet will list the required mileage/time-based warranty
services that are to be performed.


> but legally, the work doesn't need to be done by the dealer - you can
> even do it yourself. simply keep records of the work done, the
> mileages at which it was done, and keep receipts. if you change the
> oil yourself for instance, keep receipts for its purchase and make a
> note in the service schedule accordingly.



This is very important, especially if you do the work yourself.



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Old 05 May 2007, 10:26 am
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>
> I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light
> came on, on the dashboard?



Correct. In fact, your manual specifically advises you to NOT change
your oil early, for your first oil change.

You'll get service reminders all the time. Just ignore them until your
vehicle tells you it needs service.
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Old 05 May 2007, 12:56 pm
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A.Nonimus@nospam.tv wrote:
> I got an email from Honda saying my new 2007 Honda LX is due for it's
> first maintenance, an oil change.
>
> Do I have to do this maintenance after 3 months, despite the fact that
> I only have 1000 miles on my new car?
>


No. Just follow the maintenance minder and keep an eye on any
overriding conditions per the owner's manual. For example, the manual
might say to change the oil at least once per year even if the minder
hasn't come on.

The email is simply marketing trying to get you to spend money at the
dealer.

John
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