Honda Car Forum

Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
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> "jrk" <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:4637afa4$0$3579$815e3792@news.qwest.net:
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>> For what its worth, I've been told that after market body parts are
>> not made to exactly match the OEM parts by design. Something about
>> patents and such.
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>
>
> Nah, it's just that the aftermarket simply does not have the budget to
> engineer the molds and dies the way Honda did. The appeal of
> aftermarket direct-replacement is economy, not quality. They have to
> find ways of making the parts cheaper than OEM, and that means cutting
> all the corners they can.
>
> Their materials are cheaper as well. Quality control is much laxer in
> the aftermarket. They simply can't afford to throw away all the
> production that the OEMs do.
>
> The aftermarket does not have access to the OEM engineering CAD files
> and blueprints, which are heavily guarded and protected. They have to
> get hold of actual examples of the parts, then work backwards to
> obtain their own specs. This is a terribly inaccurate way of
> engineering a part, especially something as large and floppy as a
> bumper skin. And then they're only going to spend so long welding up
> and grinding down the molds, since that takes time and money, so...
>
> I've been involved in the OEM process. The detailed engineering of OEM
> parts is astoundingly expensive, exhaustingly intricate, and is only
> justifiable in huge production quantities. Low-volume OEM parts are
> developed the same way as high-volume OEM ones, but with a price that
> reflects the small amortization base.
>
> Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The aftermarket
> makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
>
>
>

Actually,some other company probably makes the bumpers FOR Honda under
contract.
Honda buys lots of parts from local sources.Cats,exhaust parts,sensors,...
that's how they keep the US domestic content high enough to qualify as US-
made.

No reason why they can't make extra bumpers and sell them thru their own
distribution networks.

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"Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in
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> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> The first was a windshield that cracked for no reason.
>>
> Windshields are different. They just break, for no apparent reason.
> But what insurance companies don't like, are claims. If you want to
> keep your premiums down, pay for small repairs yourself. Or if you
> are a good driver, save your pennies with a high deductible or no
> collision insurance at all and you will eventually have enough to buy
> a new car. On a 2005 model the bank probably made you get insurance,
> but most companies have a $1,000 deductible available.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>
>
>

These days,fixed auto glass is GLUED in to add structural strength to the
body,and if the body flexes,the glass can crack or shatter.

Formerly,windshields used to "float" in a rubber gasket.

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Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
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> Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
> news:Xns9923CE64CF111tegger@207.14.116.130:
>

>>
>> Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The
>> aftermarket makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Actually,some other company probably makes the bumpers FOR Honda under
> contract.



Of course. But that's irrelevant. The working drawings come from Honda,

The point is that Honda has the budget to develop the thing properly in the
first place, and has the clout to demand extremely high standards. The
aftermarket has none of that.


They may not be allowed to. Honda paid for the development, remember?


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Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
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> Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
> news:Xns9924A9269A444jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.85:
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>> Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
>> news:Xns9923CE64CF111tegger@207.14.116.130:
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>
>>>
>>> Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The
>>> aftermarket makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Actually,some other company probably makes the bumpers FOR Honda
>> under contract.
>
>
>
> Of course. But that's irrelevant. The working drawings come from
> Honda,
>
> The point is that Honda has the budget to develop the thing properly
> in the first place, and has the clout to demand extremely high
> standards. The aftermarket has none of that.
>
>
> They may not be allowed to. Honda paid for the development, remember?
>
>

With modern CAD/CAM technology,they can take a bumper off a car,measure it
and turn out detailed specs for manufacturing molds to make their own.They
can buy the raw plastic from the same supplier the OEM company uses.

For metal parts,the materials may be of lesser quality,a cheaper alloy,or
not as thick a galvanized coating,or maybe no coating at all.

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jyanik
at
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Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
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>>
>
> With modern CAD/CAM technology,they can take a bumper off a
> car,measure it and turn out detailed specs for manufacturing molds to
> make their own.



My experience with aftermarket body parts is that they are grossly
approximate in dimensions and usually fit poorly. This can only mean either
poor quality or bad dimensioning, or both.

You cannot properly measure a made bumper and make a tool exactly the same
as the original. You do not exactly know the shrink factor.



> They can buy the raw plastic from the same supplier the
> OEM company uses.



They can, but do they? Again, my experience is that if they do, they're
buying a substandard grade or something, because toughness, flexibility and
stability are usually not the same as OEM.


>
> For metal parts,the materials may be of lesser quality,a cheaper
> alloy,or not as thick a galvanized coating,or maybe no coating at all.
>


And bad dimensioning. Last aftermarket bumper rebar I looked at was bowed
down in the middle. The thing was brand-new, so there was no excuse for
that.


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Tegger

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Ok. This is the part number for the bumper (front): 04711-SDA-A90zz
($259.80). It appears to be the same. I even compared it to other cars on
the lot with the same color as mine. I also noticed that the right side
that meets the headlight has a little gap along the bottom. The bumper
seems to be a perfect fit otherwise. I have also noticed this same affect
on other cars - on the same side...

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
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> Ok. This is the part number for the bumper (front): 04711-SDA-A90zz
> ($259.80). It appears to be the same. I even compared it to other
> cars on the lot with the same color as mine. I also noticed that the
> right side that meets the headlight has a little gap along the bottom.
> The bumper seems to be a perfect fit otherwise. I have also noticed
> this same affect on other cars - on the same side...
>
>
>


The number appears to be a valid Honda part number.

Tong Yang Plastics in Taiwan is listed in my searches as the OEM supplier
to Honda for that part number. But if your car was made in North America,
then likely the bumper was made by a North American supplier intead.

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I recently purchased a 2007 CRV ( 2.4 L Petrol engine). So far so good. Very well made car
however I am getting ridiculously high fuel consumption figures. On average in City/Urban
driving I'm averaging 17.5L per 100km or 13.4 mpg. This is what you would expect from a truck
not a brand new Honda. The worst consumption I could find on web reviews was 19.6mpg
which is a far cry from what I'm getting. Am I missing something?

The car hasn't had it's first run-in service yet. I'm currently using RON 95.


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My 2005 gets 17 mpg on a good day city, they will tell you break in etc...
but my experience is the CRV is OVERstating the fuel MPG. best on highway I
get is 23 MPG...Yes I know what some will say driving habits etc...I know...
Not happy with the MPG Period,...
I am sure yours will improve as it breaks in but not that much...If you find
the reason send me an email as I have brought mine to dealer twice and all
they say is all OK....

"Alice" <Alice@wonderland.com> wrote in message
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> I recently purchased a 2007 CRV ( 2.4 L Petrol engine). So far so good.
> Very well made car
> however I am getting ridiculously high fuel consumption figures. On
> average in City/Urban
> driving I'm averaging 17.5L per 100km or 13.4 mpg. This is what you would
> expect from a truck
> not a brand new Honda. The worst consumption I could find on web reviews
> was 19.6mpg
> which is a far cry from what I'm getting. Am I missing something?
>
> The car hasn't had it's first run-in service yet. I'm currently using RON
> 95.
>
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I'll keep you posted but no way are they getting away with 13 mpg.


"TF" <flannery16@insightbb.com> wrote:

>My 2005 gets 17 mpg on a good day city, they will tell you break in etc...
>but my experience is the CRV is OVERstating the fuel MPG. best on highway I
>get is 23 MPG...Yes I know what some will say driving habits etc...I know...
>Not happy with the MPG Period,...
>I am sure yours will improve as it breaks in but not that much...If you find
>the reason send me an email as I have brought mine to dealer twice and all
>they say is all OK....
>
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>> I recently purchased a 2007 CRV ( 2.4 L Petrol engine). So far so good.
>> Very well made car
>> however I am getting ridiculously high fuel consumption figures. On
>> average in City/Urban
>> driving I'm averaging 17.5L per 100km or 13.4 mpg. This is what you would
>> expect from a truck
>> not a brand new Honda. The worst consumption I could find on web reviews
>> was 19.6mpg
>> which is a far cry from what I'm getting. Am I missing something?
>>
>> The car hasn't had it's first run-in service yet. I'm currently using RON
>> 95.
>>
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