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Old 23 Apr 2007, 02:27 pm
bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com
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Default '00 Odyssey Losing Oil, Very Dirty

I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.

After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
driving alone.

Here's the mystery:

Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
The coolant levels are perfect.
The engine is not overheating or running warm.
Engine acceleration and power are normal.

Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
the dipstick is very dirty.

Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.

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Old 23 Apr 2007, 02:34 pm
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On 4/23/07 2:27 PM, in article
1177356427.900736.109490@b58g2000hsg.googlegroups. com,
"bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com" <bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>
> After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
> fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
> driving alone.
>
> Here's the mystery:
>
> Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
> The coolant levels are perfect.
> The engine is not overheating or running warm.
> Engine acceleration and power are normal.
>
> Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
> the dipstick is very dirty.
>
> Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>


Has the oil ever been changed? If so, how many miles ago?

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Old 23 Apr 2007, 03:10 pm
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<bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1177356427.900736.109490@b58g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>
> After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
> fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
> driving alone.
>
> Here's the mystery:
>
> Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
> The coolant levels are perfect.
> The engine is not overheating or running warm.
> Engine acceleration and power are normal.
>
> Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
> the dipstick is very dirty.
>
> Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
>

The times I've seen reports of sudden increases in oil consumption when it
was finally resolved, it was a broken compression ring in one cylinder. I
think it toook teardown to find that; it didn't show up on a compression
test. The catalytic converter burned up the smoke, but oil additives are
hard on the catalyst, too. A look at the spark plugs, looking for evidence
of oil on one insulator, would be a good way to go.

Mike



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Old 23 Apr 2007, 03:59 pm
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Default Re: '00 Odyssey Losing Oil, Very Dirty

My uncle had a 98 ody bought it used... they replaced the engine at the
dealership due to a porous block. But I doubt that would manifest itself as
quickly as yours.

t

Michael Pardee wrote:
>>I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>>

>[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>>
>> Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.

>
>The times I've seen reports of sudden increases in oil consumption when it
>was finally resolved, it was a broken compression ring in one cylinder. I
>think it toook teardown to find that; it didn't show up on a compression
>test. The catalytic converter burned up the smoke, but oil additives are
>hard on the catalyst, too. A look at the spark plugs, looking for evidence
>of oil on one insulator, would be a good way to go.
>
>Mike


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Old 23 Apr 2007, 04:04 pm
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bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com wrote:
> I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>
> After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
> fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
> driving alone.
>
> Here's the mystery:
>
> Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
> The coolant levels are perfect.
> The engine is not overheating or running warm.
> Engine acceleration and power are normal.
>
> Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
> the dipstick is very dirty.
>
> Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>

-----------------------

Check your PCV valve also. It can suck the oil out of your engine and
burn it invisibly. More likely what M Pardee said, though.

'Curly'
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Old 23 Apr 2007, 04:34 pm
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Michael Pardee wrote:

> <bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1177356427.900736.109490@b58g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>>
>>After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
>>fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
>>driving alone.
>>
>>Here's the mystery:
>>
>>Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
>>The coolant levels are perfect.
>>The engine is not overheating or running warm.
>>Engine acceleration and power are normal.
>>
>>Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
>>the dipstick is very dirty.
>>
>>Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>

>
> The times I've seen reports of sudden increases in oil consumption when it
> was finally resolved, it was a broken compression ring in one cylinder. I
> think it toook teardown to find that; it didn't show up on a compression
> test. The catalytic converter burned up the smoke, but oil additives are
> hard on the catalyst, too. A look at the spark plugs, looking for evidence
> of oil on one insulator, would be a good way to go.
>
> Mike
>


While I can't say for certain, I believe the bad cylinder on the $200
Civic is a broken ring and it surely does show on a compressions test.
And that thing is smokin' bad 'nuff to kill mosquitoes especially when
letting off the gas going downhill.

JT

<choke, gasp whimper>
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Old 23 Apr 2007, 04:36 pm
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motsco_ wrote:

> bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>>
>> After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
>> fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
>> driving alone.
>>
>> Here's the mystery:
>>
>> Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
>> The coolant levels are perfect.
>> The engine is not overheating or running warm.
>> Engine acceleration and power are normal.
>>
>> Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
>> the dipstick is very dirty.
>>
>> Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>

> -----------------------
>
> Check your PCV valve also. It can suck the oil out of your engine and
> burn it invisibly. More likely what M Pardee said, though.
>
> 'Curly'



Poor ventilation can certainly increase oil consumption. I remember a
certain F*rd LTD that normally consumed a quart per day increased to
emptying the crankcase in fifteen miles...

Oh... The good ol' days!

JT


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Old 23 Apr 2007, 07:37 pm
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Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
> Michael Pardee wrote:
>
>> <bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1177356427.900736.109490@b58g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>> I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>>>
>>> After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
>>> fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
>>> driving alone.
>>>
>>> Here's the mystery:
>>>
>>> Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
>>> The coolant levels are perfect.
>>> The engine is not overheating or running warm.
>>> Engine acceleration and power are normal.
>>>
>>> Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
>>> the dipstick is very dirty.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>

>>
>> The times I've seen reports of sudden increases in oil consumption
>> when it was finally resolved, it was a broken compression ring in one
>> cylinder. I think it toook teardown to find that; it didn't show up on
>> a compression test. The catalytic converter burned up the smoke, but
>> oil additives are hard on the catalyst, too. A look at the spark
>> plugs, looking for evidence of oil on one insulator, would be a good
>> way to go.
>>
>> Mike

>
> While I can't say for certain, I believe the bad cylinder on the $200
> Civic is a broken ring and it surely does show on a compressions test.


depends which ring. oil control rings don't add much to compression,
but they sure do let the oil in if they're dead. a top ring makes a big
difference to compression and not so much to oil.

> And that thing is smokin' bad 'nuff to kill mosquitoes especially when
> letting off the gas going downhill.
>
> JT
>
> <choke, gasp whimper>

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Old 23 Apr 2007, 07:38 pm
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Michael Pardee wrote:
> <bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1177356427.900736.109490@b58g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>> I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>>
>> After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
>> fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
>> driving alone.
>>
>> Here's the mystery:
>>
>> Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
>> The coolant levels are perfect.
>> The engine is not overheating or running warm.
>> Engine acceleration and power are normal.
>>
>> Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
>> the dipstick is very dirty.
>>
>> Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>

> The times I've seen reports of sudden increases in oil consumption when it
> was finally resolved, it was a broken compression ring in one cylinder. I
> think it toook teardown to find that; it didn't show up on a compression
> test. The catalytic converter burned up the smoke, but oil additives are
> hard on the catalyst, too. A look at the spark plugs, looking for evidence
> of oil on one insulator, would be a good way to go.
>
> Mike
>
>
>

i agree.
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Old 23 Apr 2007, 08:57 pm
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jim beam wrote:

> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>
>>> <bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1177356427.900736.109490@b58g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>>> I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>>>>
>>>> After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
>>>> fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
>>>> driving alone.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the mystery:
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
>>>> The coolant levels are perfect.
>>>> The engine is not overheating or running warm.
>>>> Engine acceleration and power are normal.
>>>>
>>>> Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
>>>> the dipstick is very dirty.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The times I've seen reports of sudden increases in oil consumption
>>> when it was finally resolved, it was a broken compression ring in one
>>> cylinder. I think it toook teardown to find that; it didn't show up
>>> on a compression test. The catalytic converter burned up the smoke,
>>> but oil additives are hard on the catalyst, too. A look at the spark
>>> plugs, looking for evidence of oil on one insulator, would be a good
>>> way to go.
>>>
>>> Mike

>>
>>
>> While I can't say for certain, I believe the bad cylinder on the $200
>> Civic is a broken ring and it surely does show on a compressions test.

>
>
> depends which ring. oil control rings don't add much to compression,
> but they sure do let the oil in if they're dead. a top ring makes a big
> difference to compression and not so much to oil.
>


My car has graduated to the next stage. Previously, it simply was a lot
of blowby. So much so, the previous owner use a garden hose fitting to
allow the excess to blow out below but there was not a lot of smoke
coming out of the tail pipe. Now, it mostly just smokes badly but on
occasion, the blowby will return during certain acceleration speeds in
the lower gears.

At any rate, it will be fixed one way or the other in the next few weeks.

I'm torn between an in-car overhaul or just building up an engine and
swapping it out. If I do the swap out, I'll also put in a five speed as
the current box is only a four speed.

None of this would have been required if the previous owner did not
"rebuild the engine" because it lost power... The problem simply was a
plugged cat converter..

But then, it would never have sold for a measly $200...

JT



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