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Old 15 Apr 2007, 08:52 am
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Default 30K service question

Mine is Honda Civic 2005 VP. Conntacted to local Honda dealer (Central TX).
Still under extended warranty backed up by onda for 120K miles.
Via phone, they informed me that there are more things need to be done (a
long list of things that I could not find from the Honda Maint Book) and the
price is 479.00 to 499.00 + taxes?

Any one has any idea what this dealer gets me into?
Thanks.

P.S.: Oil filter and oil had been changed at its 29K mileage. Can I change
air filter by myself? If so how? :-) I just try my best to save the cost of
maint and whichever taks that I can't do the nI will let the Honda dealer do
them.

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Old 15 Apr 2007, 10:21 am
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In article <70bdf7e1fb2d6@uwe>, "Newhope via CarKB.com" <u18620@uwe>
wrote:

> Mine is Honda Civic 2005 VP. Conntacted to local Honda dealer (Central TX).
> Still under extended warranty backed up by onda for 120K miles.
> Via phone, they informed me that there are more things need to be done (a
> long list of things that I could not find from the Honda Maint Book) and the
> price is 479.00 to 499.00 + taxes?
>
> Any one has any idea what this dealer gets me into?


Ask them where it is documented either by Honda or by the extended
warranty (HondaCare, I hope?) that these things be done.

The dealer is just trying to get you to spend money.

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Old 15 Apr 2007, 01:05 pm
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Newhope via CarKB.com wrote:

> Mine is Honda Civic 2005 VP. Conntacted to local Honda dealer (Central TX).
> Still under extended warranty backed up by onda for 120K miles.
> Via phone, they informed me that there are more things need to be done (a
> long list of things that I could not find from the Honda Maint Book) and the
> price is 479.00 to 499.00 + taxes?
>
> Any one has any idea what this dealer gets me into?
> Thanks.
>
> P.S.: Oil filter and oil had been changed at its 29K mileage. Can I change
> air filter by myself? If so how? :-) I just try my best to save the cost of
> maint and whichever taks that I can't do the nI will let the Honda dealer do
> them.
>



What dealer?

JT

(Austin)

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Old 15 Apr 2007, 07:51 pm
Howard
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Here is your scheduled maintenance for either "Normal" or "Severe" operating
conditions
Maintenance Schedule for Normal Conditions (Without CNG)
30,000 miles/ 48,000 km/ ---
Service at the indicated distance or time, whichever comes first. This
Maintenance Schedule outlines the minimum required maintenance. For Canada
models, use the Severe Conditions Maintenance Schedule.

Do the items in parts A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H as required for the
mileage/time interval listed.

NOTE: According to state and federal regulations, failure to do the
maintenance items marked with an asterisk (*) will not void the customer's
emissions warranties. However, Honda recommends that all maintenance
services be done at the recommended intervals to ensure long-term
reliability.

o Replace engine oil, every 10,000 miles (16,000 km) or 1 year.

o Engine oil capacity-D17A1 engine without oil filter: 3.0 L (3.2 US qt),
D17A2 and D17A6 engines without oil filter: 3.3 L (3.5 US qt).

o Rotate tires, and check tire inflation and condition, every 10,000 miles
(16,000 km).

o Follow the pattern shown in the Owner's Manual.

o Inspect and adjust drive belts, every 30,000 miles (48,000 km) or 2 years.

a.. Look for cracks and damage, then check belt deflection by pushing on
it about 98 N (10 kgf, 22 lbf) midway between the pulleys.

b.. Alternator belt: 85-11.0 mm (0.33-0.43 in.)..

c.. P/S pump belt: 130-16.5 mm (0.51-0.65 in.)..

d.. A/C compressor belt: 85-11.0 mm (0.33-0.43 in.)..

o Replace dust and pollen filter, every 30,000 miles (48,000 km) or 2 years.

a.. Replace the filter as often (at 15,000 miles/24,000 km intervals) if
the vehicle is driven mostly in urban areas that have high concentrations of
soot in the air from industry and diesel-powered vehicles.

b.. Replace the filter whenever airflow from the heating and
cooling/climate control system is less than normal.

o Replace air cleaner element, every 30,000 miles (48,000 km).

OR

Maintenance Schedule for Severe Conditions (Without CNG)
30,000 miles/ 48,000 km/ ---
Service at the indicated distance or time, whichever comes first. Use this
schedule if the vehicle is driven MAINLY in Canada or in any of the
following conditions; if only OCCASIONALLY driven in these conditions, use
the Normal Conditions schedule.

Severe Driving Conditions

a.. Driving less than 5 miles (8 km) per trip in freezing temperatures, or
driving less than 10 miles (16 km) per trip.

b.. Driving in extremely hot (over 90 F/32 C) conditions.

c.. Extensive idling, or long periods of stop-and-go driving, such as a
taxi or a commercial delivery vehicle.

d.. Driving on muddy, dusty, or de-iced roads.

e.. Trailer towing, driving with a roof rack, or driving in mountainous
conditions.

Severe Driving Conditions

a.. Driving less than 5 miles (8 km) per trip in freezing temperatures, or
driving less than 10 miles (16 km) per trip.

b.. Driving in extremely hot (over 90 F/32 C) conditions.

c.. Extensive idling or long periods of stop-and-go driving, such as a
taxi or a commercial delivery vehicle.

d.. Driving on muddy, dusty, or de-iced roads.

e.. Trailer towing, driving with a roof rack, or driving in mountainous
conditions.

Do the items in parts A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, and J as required for the
mileage/time interval listed.

NOTE: According to state and federal regulations, failure to do the
maintenance items marked with an asterisk (*) will not void the customer's
emissions warranties. However, Honda recommends that all maintenance
services be done at the recommended intervals to ensure long-term
reliability.

o Replace engine oil, every 5,000 miles (8,000 km) or 6 months.

o Engine oil capacity-D17A1 engine without oil filter: 3.0 L (3.2 US qt),
D17A2 and D17A6 engines without oil filter: 3.3 L (3.5 US qt).

o Replace engine oil filter, every 10,000 miles (16,000 km) or 1 year.

o Engine oil capacity-D17A1 engine with oil filter: 3.2 L (3.4 US qt), D17A2
and D17A6 engines with oil filter: 3.5 L (3.7 US qt).

o Check front and rear brakes, every 10,000 miles (16,000 km) or 1 year.

a.. Check pads and discs for wear (thickness), damage, and cracks.

b.. Check calipers for damage, leaks, and tightness of mount bolts.

c.. Check wheel cylinders for leaks.

d.. Check brake linings for cracking, glazing, wear, or contamination.

o Lubricate all hinges, locks, and latches, every 10,000 miles (16,000 km)
or 1 year.

o Rotate tires, and check tire inflation and condition, every 10,000 miles
(16,000 km).

o Follow the pattern shown in the Owner's Manual.

o Inspect tie rod ends, steering gearbox, and gearbox boots, every 10,000
miles (16,000 km) or 1 year.

a.. Check rack grease and steering linkage.

b.. Check boots for damage and leaking grease.

c.. Check fluid lines for damage and leaks.

o Inspect suspension components, every 10,000 miles (16,000 km) or 1 year.

a.. Check bolts for tightness.

b.. Check condition of ball joint boots for deterioration and damage.

o Inspect driveshaft boots, every 10,000 miles (16,000 km) or 1 year.

o Check boots for cracks and boot bands for tightness.

o Replace air cleaner element when driving in dusty conditions, every 15,000
miles (24,000 km).

o Otherwise, use Normal Conditions schdule

o Replace dust and pollen filter, every 30,000 miles (48,000 km) or 2 years.

a.. Replace the filter as often (at 15,000 miles/24,000 km intervals) if
the vehicle is driven mostly in urban areas that have high concentrations of
soot in the air from industry and diesel-powered vehicles.

b.. Replace the filter whenever airflow from the heating and
cooling/climate control system is less than normal.

o Inspect and adjust drive belts, every 30,000 miles (48,000 km) or 2 years.

a.. Look for cracks and damage, then check belt deflection by pushing on
it about 98 N (10 kgf, 22 lbf) midway between the pulleys.

b.. Alternator belt: 85-11.0 mm (0.33-0.43 in.)..

c.. P/S pump belt: 130-16.5 mm (0.51-0.65 in.)..

d.. A/C compressor belt: 85-11.0 mm (0.33-0.43 in.)..


I think that should answer your question.
Howard

"Newhope via CarKB.com" <u18620@uwe> wrote in message
news:70bdf7e1fb2d6@uwe...
> Mine is Honda Civic 2005 VP. Conntacted to local Honda dealer (Central
> TX).
> Still under extended warranty backed up by onda for 120K miles.
> Via phone, they informed me that there are more things need to be done (a
> long list of things that I could not find from the Honda Maint Book) and
> the
> price is 479.00 to 499.00 + taxes?
>
> Any one has any idea what this dealer gets me into?
> Thanks.
>
> P.S.: Oil filter and oil had been changed at its 29K mileage. Can I change
> air filter by myself? If so how? :-) I just try my best to save the cost
> of
> maint and whichever taks that I can't do the nI will let the Honda dealer
> do
> them.
>
> --
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Old 16 Apr 2007, 08:49 am
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GregMay Honda in Waco, TX.

Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>> Mine is Honda Civic 2005 VP. Conntacted to local Honda dealer (Central TX).
>> Still under extended warranty backed up by onda for 120K miles.

>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> maint and whichever taks that I can't do the nI will let the Honda dealer do
>> them.

>
>What dealer?
>
>JT
>
>(Austin)


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Old 16 Apr 2007, 08:50 am
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I strictly follow which things need to be done based upon the manual book
said.
I keep in mind your adive. Thanks.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Mine is Honda Civic 2005 VP. Conntacted to local Honda dealer (Central TX).
>> Still under extended warranty backed up by onda for 120K miles.

>[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>
>> Any one has any idea what this dealer gets me into?

>
>Ask them where it is documented either by Honda or by the extended
>warranty (HondaCare, I hope?) that these things be done.
>
>The dealer is just trying to get you to spend money.


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Old 16 Apr 2007, 09:32 am
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Heh... Since you're considered a "northerner" by us folk down heeyah..

I think you should look to a reputable independent garage. Sounds like
they (the dealer) is out to empty your pocketbook which by the way, is
how they make their real profit (service).

JT



Newhope via CarKB.com wrote:
> GregMay Honda in Waco, TX.
>
> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>>>Mine is Honda Civic 2005 VP. Conntacted to local Honda dealer (Central TX).
>>>Still under extended warranty backed up by onda for 120K miles.

>>
>>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>
>>>maint and whichever taks that I can't do the nI will let the Honda dealer do
>>>them.

>>
>>What dealer?
>>
>>JT
>>
>>(Austin)

>
>

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Old 16 Apr 2007, 09:34 am
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Elmo's right on target here. Ask 'em to prove "it's broken" and if so,
why it ain't covered under warranty...

JT



Newhope via CarKB.com wrote:

> I strictly follow which things need to be done based upon the manual book
> said.
> I keep in mind your adive. Thanks.
>
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>>>Mine is Honda Civic 2005 VP. Conntacted to local Honda dealer (Central TX).
>>>Still under extended warranty backed up by onda for 120K miles.

>>
>>[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>
>>>Any one has any idea what this dealer gets me into?

>>
>>Ask them where it is documented either by Honda or by the extended
>>warranty (HondaCare, I hope?) that these things be done.
>>
>>The dealer is just trying to get you to spend money.

>
>

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Old 17 Apr 2007, 06:23 pm
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"Newhope via CarKB.com" <u18620@uwe> wrote in message
news:70bdf7e1fb2d6@uwe...
> Mine is Honda Civic 2005 VP. Conntacted to local Honda dealer (Central
> TX).
> Still under extended warranty backed up by onda for 120K miles.
> Via phone, they informed me that there are more things need to be done (a
> long list of things that I could not find from the Honda Maint Book) and
> the
> price is 479.00 to 499.00 + taxes?


A familiar story! I took my 06 Accord I4 coupe in for its 15k (Maintenance
Minder) service and the service type presented me with three option running
from $150 to almost $400.00. I pointed out that the $150.00 minimum service
fulfilled the Honda service outlined in the owner's manual wherein they
intimated that it was really was a minimal service. My comment was that I
would stick the the Honda required service. "Gold plating" appears to be a
new dealer initiative.

>
> Any one has any idea what this dealer gets me into?
> Thanks.
>
> P.S.: Oil filter and oil had been changed at its 29K mileage. Can I change
> air filter by myself? If so how? :-) I just try my best to save the cost
> of
> maint and whichever taks that I can't do the nI will let the Honda dealer
> do
> them.
>
> --
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> http://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx...-cars/200704/1
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Old 21 Apr 2007, 04:26 pm
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First of all, thanks to Howard.
Your reply tell me ALL. :-)

This morning, I took the Manual book and warranty book with me to Honda
Dealer and asked them breaking down the price and labor cost which is
required by the Honda required book. The price dropped from 500.00 to 150.00
plus taxes. Then after the service done, I asked them signed and stamped into
my book. They are not happy with my requirement ;-) However, I just do my job.


Thanks you all.


tww1491 wrote:
>> Mine is Honda Civic 2005 VP. Conntacted to local Honda dealer (Central
>> TX).

>[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> the
>> price is 479.00 to 499.00 + taxes?

>
>A familiar story! I took my 06 Accord I4 coupe in for its 15k (Maintenance
>Minder) service and the service type presented me with three option running
>from $150 to almost $400.00. I pointed out that the $150.00 minimum service
>fulfilled the Honda service outlined in the owner's manual wherein they
>intimated that it was really was a minimal service. My comment was that I
>would stick the the Honda required service. "Gold plating" appears to be a
>new dealer initiative.
>
>> Any one has any idea what this dealer gets me into?
>> Thanks.

>[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> do
>> them.


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