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Old 29 Mar 2007, 05:30 pm
Linuxiac
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Default A/C explosions:Recall, need more info?


Sunday, March 18, 2007, our 2003 Honda CR-V Air Conditioner seized up,
causing the AC electromagnetic clutch to explode, sending the parts
through the lower front shrouds and onto the street.

Honda dealer where we bought it with a 1 year warranty, Dec, 2005, says
bring it in Tuesday for their assessment, and to file forms for a
potential help from Honda Motors.

You see, internal contamination on this tested and "Honda Certified"
Used Honda, is the only thing that could have caused this.

It has been running nice and cold when we used it, and was fine as we
were going down the road, until the sudden 'explosion' happened!

Word is that the entire system gets changed out! Dealer states if it is
in the criteria of failure Honda has been suffering, Honda will "help us
out'.

Hmmmm. Their "bad" problem, and I pay? I think the jury is out on that
for the nonce, and the attorneys are waiting in the wings.

Anyone with any experience of having their Air Conditioning go entirely
bad due to internal contamination should comment here. Did you pay?
What percent did Honda offer you?

TIA
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Old 29 Mar 2007, 07:16 pm
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"Linuxiac" <"at yahoo.com "> wrote in message
news:460c2fe9$0$28139$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> Sunday, March 18, 2007, our 2003 Honda CR-V Air Conditioner seized up,
> causing the AC electromagnetic clutch to explode, sending the parts
> through the lower front shrouds and onto the street.
>
> Honda dealer where we bought it with a 1 year warranty, Dec, 2005, says
> bring it in Tuesday for their assessment, and to file forms for a
> potential help from Honda Motors.
>
> You see, internal contamination on this tested and "Honda Certified" Used
> Honda, is the only thing that could have caused this.
>
> It has been running nice and cold when we used it, and was fine as we were
> going down the road, until the sudden 'explosion' happened!
>
> Word is that the entire system gets changed out! Dealer states if it is
> in the criteria of failure Honda has been suffering, Honda will "help us
> out'.
>
> Hmmmm. Their "bad" problem, and I pay? I think the jury is out on that
> for the nonce, and the attorneys are waiting in the wings.
>
> Anyone with any experience of having their Air Conditioning go entirely
> bad due to internal contamination should comment here. Did you pay? What
> percent did Honda offer you?
>
> TIA
>


I dunno about internal contamination being the root cause. The compressor on
our '85 Volvo seized and smoked the clutch (smelled like brownies baking,
actually.) The system had never been opened except for one evacuation and
charge.

However, now there probably are shards of compressor running around in the
system :-(

Finally, have you determined it was the compressor seizing that was at
fault? Normally, the clutch just burns up when that happens. Yours really
sounds more like the bearing seized, which locks the outer pulley regardless
of whether the clutch is engaged. If the system gets changed out it would
be the compressor; it just seems odd.

Mike



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Old 30 Mar 2007, 07:49 am
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"Linuxiac" <"at yahoo.com "> wrote in message
news:460d0365$0$28113$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> "Linuxiac" <"at yahoo.com "> wrote in message
>> news:460c2fe9$0$28139$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Sunday, March 18, 2007, our 2003 Honda CR-V Air Conditioner seized up,
>>> causing the AC electromagnetic clutch to explode, sending the parts
>>> through the lower front shrouds and onto the street.
>>>
>>> Honda dealer where we bought it with a 1 year warranty, Dec, 2005, says
>>> bring it in Tuesday for their assessment, and to file forms for a
>>> potential help from Honda Motors.
>>>
>>> You see, internal contamination on this tested and "Honda Certified"
>>> Used Honda, is the only thing that could have caused this.
>>>
>>> It has been running nice and cold when we used it, and was fine as we
>>> were going down the road, until the sudden 'explosion' happened!
>>>
>>> Word is that the entire system gets changed out! Dealer states if it is
>>> in the criteria of failure Honda has been suffering, Honda will "help us
>>> out'.
>>>
>>> Hmmmm. Their "bad" problem, and I pay? I think the jury is out on that
>>> for the nonce, and the attorneys are waiting in the wings.
>>>
>>> Anyone with any experience of having their Air Conditioning go entirely
>>> bad due to internal contamination should comment here. Did you pay? What
>>> percent did Honda offer you?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>

>>
>> I dunno about internal contamination being the root cause. The compressor
>> on our '85 Volvo seized and smoked the clutch (smelled like brownies
>> baking, actually.) The system had never been opened except for one
>> evacuation and charge.
>>
>> However, now there probably are shards of compressor running around in
>> the system :-(
>>
>> Finally, have you determined it was the compressor seizing that was at
>> fault? Normally, the clutch just burns up when that happens. Yours really
>> sounds more like the bearing seized, which locks the outer pulley
>> regardless of whether the clutch is engaged. If the system gets changed
>> out it would be the compressor; it just seems odd.
>>
>> Mike

>
> Our HUGE local dealer service department states it seems a common problem,
> and one tech. mentioned a total recall, while a second tech. wants to
> diagnose first. Both stated that Honda Motors has been picking up the
> tab, for entire system replacement!
>
> I suspect contaminated products, not properly made, such as weak hoses,
> that let some internal part slough off and the grudge breaks out, making
> he compressor seize up!
>
> But, want others with Hondas that have had this to comment, though yours
> is appreciated...
>
> I have been an AC and Vehicle Service Tech., and an electronics systems
> (Cryptograpic systems since 1965 - USAF retired)technician, and computer
> Technician (since 1969, USAF) and also have owned, and managed several
> automobile dealerships and service garages since 1988, in Florida.
>
> This is a tough environment for AC, especially mobile systems on cars and
> trucks ( maintained those, refrigeration and cooling systems in the Air
> Force for Mobile Communications Centers and on special vehicles).
>
> But, this was an instant and complete total distruction, which I have only
> seen maybe twice, in my life. Never on such a young system, though!
>
> Thanks!
>


Can you find out for us what years were affected?

Mike



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Old 30 Mar 2007, 08:32 am
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Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Linuxiac" <"at yahoo.com "> wrote in message
> news:460c2fe9$0$28139$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Sunday, March 18, 2007, our 2003 Honda CR-V Air Conditioner seized up,
>> causing the AC electromagnetic clutch to explode, sending the parts
>> through the lower front shrouds and onto the street.
>>
>> Honda dealer where we bought it with a 1 year warranty, Dec, 2005, says
>> bring it in Tuesday for their assessment, and to file forms for a
>> potential help from Honda Motors.
>>
>> You see, internal contamination on this tested and "Honda Certified" Used
>> Honda, is the only thing that could have caused this.
>>
>> It has been running nice and cold when we used it, and was fine as we were
>> going down the road, until the sudden 'explosion' happened!
>>
>> Word is that the entire system gets changed out! Dealer states if it is
>> in the criteria of failure Honda has been suffering, Honda will "help us
>> out'.
>>
>> Hmmmm. Their "bad" problem, and I pay? I think the jury is out on that
>> for the nonce, and the attorneys are waiting in the wings.
>>
>> Anyone with any experience of having their Air Conditioning go entirely
>> bad due to internal contamination should comment here. Did you pay? What
>> percent did Honda offer you?
>>
>> TIA
>>

>
> I dunno about internal contamination being the root cause. The compressor on
> our '85 Volvo seized and smoked the clutch (smelled like brownies baking,
> actually.) The system had never been opened except for one evacuation and
> charge.
>
> However, now there probably are shards of compressor running around in the
> system :-(
>
> Finally, have you determined it was the compressor seizing that was at
> fault? Normally, the clutch just burns up when that happens. Yours really
> sounds more like the bearing seized, which locks the outer pulley regardless
> of whether the clutch is engaged. If the system gets changed out it would
> be the compressor; it just seems odd.
>
> Mike
>
>
>


Our HUGE local dealer service department states it seems a common
problem, and one tech. mentioned a total recall, while a second tech.
wants to diagnose first. Both stated that Honda Motors has been picking
up the tab, for entire system replacement!

I suspect contaminated products, not properly made, such as weak hoses,
that let some internal part slough off and the grudge breaks out, making
he compressor seize up!

But, want others with Hondas that have had this to comment, though yours
is appreciated...

I have been an AC and Vehicle Service Tech., and an electronics systems
(Cryptograpic systems since 1965 - USAF retired)technician, and computer
Technician (since 1969, USAF) and also have owned, and managed several
automobile dealerships and service garages since 1988, in Florida.

This is a tough environment for AC, especially mobile systems on cars
and trucks ( maintained those, refrigeration and cooling systems in the
Air Force for Mobile Communications Centers and on special vehicles).

But, this was an instant and complete total distruction, which I have
only seen maybe twice, in my life. Never on such a young system, though!

Thanks!
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Old 30 Mar 2007, 01:09 pm
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Linuxiac wrote:
<SNIP>
> Anyone with any experience of having their Air Conditioning go entirely
> bad due to internal contamination should comment here. Did you pay? What
> percent did Honda offer you?
>


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Old 01 Apr 2007, 02:57 pm
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Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Linuxiac" <"at yahoo.com "> wrote in message
> news:460d0365$0$28113$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>> "Linuxiac" <"at yahoo.com "> wrote in message
>>> news:460c2fe9$0$28139$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> Sunday, March 18, 2007, our 2003 Honda CR-V Air Conditioner seized up,
>>>> causing the AC electromagnetic clutch to explode, sending the parts
>>>> through the lower front shrouds and onto the street.
>>>>
>>>> Honda dealer where we bought it with a 1 year warranty, Dec, 2005, says
>>>> bring it in Tuesday for their assessment, and to file forms for a
>>>> potential help from Honda Motors.
>>>>
>>>> You see, internal contamination on this tested and "Honda Certified"
>>>> Used Honda, is the only thing that could have caused this.
>>>>
>>>> It has been running nice and cold when we used it, and was fine as we
>>>> were going down the road, until the sudden 'explosion' happened!
>>>>
>>>> Word is that the entire system gets changed out! Dealer states if it is
>>>> in the criteria of failure Honda has been suffering, Honda will "help us
>>>> out'.
>>>>
>>>> Hmmmm. Their "bad" problem, and I pay? I think the jury is out on that
>>>> for the nonce, and the attorneys are waiting in the wings.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone with any experience of having their Air Conditioning go entirely
>>>> bad due to internal contamination should comment here. Did you pay? What
>>>> percent did Honda offer you?
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>>
>>> I dunno about internal contamination being the root cause. The compressor
>>> on our '85 Volvo seized and smoked the clutch (smelled like brownies
>>> baking, actually.) The system had never been opened except for one
>>> evacuation and charge.
>>>
>>> However, now there probably are shards of compressor running around in
>>> the system :-(
>>>
>>> Finally, have you determined it was the compressor seizing that was at
>>> fault? Normally, the clutch just burns up when that happens. Yours really
>>> sounds more like the bearing seized, which locks the outer pulley
>>> regardless of whether the clutch is engaged. If the system gets changed
>>> out it would be the compressor; it just seems odd.
>>>
>>> Mike

>> Our HUGE local dealer service department states it seems a common problem,
>> and one tech. mentioned a total recall, while a second tech. wants to
>> diagnose first. Both stated that Honda Motors has been picking up the
>> tab, for entire system replacement!
>>
>> I suspect contaminated products, not properly made, such as weak hoses,
>> that let some internal part slough off and the grudge breaks out, making
>> he compressor seize up!
>>
>> But, want others with Hondas that have had this to comment, though yours
>> is appreciated...
>>
>> I have been an AC and Vehicle Service Tech., and an electronics systems
>> (Cryptograpic systems since 1965 - USAF retired)technician, and computer
>> Technician (since 1969, USAF) and also have owned, and managed several
>> automobile dealerships and service garages since 1988, in Florida.
>>
>> This is a tough environment for AC, especially mobile systems on cars and
>> trucks ( maintained those, refrigeration and cooling systems in the Air
>> Force for Mobile Communications Centers and on special vehicles).
>>
>> But, this was an instant and complete total distruction, which I have only
>> seen maybe twice, in my life. Never on such a young system, though!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>

>
> Can you find out for us what years were affected?
>
> Mike
>
>
>

Yes, Of Course! will report back! Dealer Service scheduled to look at
it Tuesday... April 3, 2007. Also, will put this up on the SUV forum for
Honda CR-Vs...
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Old 03 Apr 2007, 06:52 pm
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motsco_ wrote:


> Linuxiac wrote:
> <SNIP>
>> Anyone with any experience of having their Air Conditioning go
>> entirely bad due to internal contamination should comment here. Did
>> you pay? What percent did Honda offer you?
>>

>
> -----------------------------
>
> Sign in (put your location in your details) and SEARCH at
> www.hondasuv.com You won't even have to ask.
>
> 'Curly'

thanks, and I tried to post, but am not permitted yet.... so, here's my
notes! please post if you want to, over to HondaSUVs...

I LOVE HONDA Motor company, and all the wonderful Hondas I've owned
since 1969!

> Honda CR-V 22003 body, built 09/2002, purchased used, with 50,0xx miles, 12/2005, and paid for a one year warranty.
>
> Sunday, March 29, 2997, out to visit Mom in the nursing home. doing 40mph, cold AC, when suddenly a "bang", and a "tuna can" went out the rear on the road. Stopped and went to search, and didn't find it.
>
> Suspected it was the clutch from the AC compressor. Figured we were in for a $1,000 repair. Just did $850 on home AC repairs, on an 8 year old Rheem Scroll compressor replacement. So, we are a bit tapped out, for now...
>
> Called the service advisors at Courtesy Honda of Sanford Florida. Scheduled a check-up.
>
> Just got back. Something terrible happened inside the system. The compressor seized.
> Need to replace the condensor, compressor, dryer, evaporator, lines. $1,000 + in just the parts.
>
> Honda factory has authorized the entire job 100% paid. Plus, presented me with a rental car PO.. Yes, this is a $1,500 to $1,900 job in most shops!
>
> Now, one thing, lads, Wife has had 4 Hondas, and I've had 2, plus 8 Honda motocycles, since 1970. In the past year, we encouraged 4 friends and relatives to buy Honda's.
>
> But, we didn't expect that Honda would stand up for 100% of any job!
>
> We have had Lincolns, Fords, Mercedes, Dodges, Plymouths, Hudsons, BMWs, Buicks, Oldsmobiles, VWs, Sunbeams, Triumphs, Toyotas, Renaults, Citroens, Mazdas, Packards, Cadillacs, Edsels, Mitsubishis, Isuzus, Metropolitians, NSUs, MGs, Range Rovers, and about three dozen other Marques you never heard of, or that haven't been around in decades. Even had a Victoria, in 1965, which was a hybrid electric go kart with a fiberglas body, and a Briggs lawn mower engine! Smaller than a Miata, and more scary!
>
> Never have we ever met with the customer satisfaction efforts just seen here. And, I was a licensed Motor Vehicle Dealer for over 10 years, and performed Service on all makes, in my garages, another 10 years.
>
> We are to pick up our Honda CR-V LX AWD 5 speed tomorrow morning, to give them time to check out the system one more time, after it 'resting' overnight.
>
> I am a bit weary just now, having had to drive there, and then home to get the grandkids after school, then, over to Christmas, to pick up the working wife, and now here. Seems to me I've spent the whole day on the road... Well, four trips of 35 miles each, in heavy traffic...
>
> The trips were worth it. Some of you asked, and I followed through, but, couldn't get an answer about what year vehicles might have some kind of problem, related to the AC failure, as it isn't yet a "recall" type of problem.
>
> It seems that Honda is dealing with an anomaly that is rare, and random. So, no data, no statistics, no trends. So, there is no diffinitive statement about any identified vehicles having this type of problem! Right now, we know of three folks who have contacted this group, out of the millions of owners.
>
>
>
>

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