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Old 20 Mar 2007, 06:31 pm
teri
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Default 91 honda accord rear tail lights out

My headlights, brake lights and turn signals work but none of the back
running lights work. I had no idea until I was pulled over at night
by a cop. He only noticed me from several blocks away because I had
stopped at a stop sign.
Checked all the fuses inside and under hood- theyíre good. Thereís a
relay in the box under the hood called the lighting relay. If thatís
bad would it cause only the running lights to not work? Thatís the
only one for lighting according to the lid diagram. Also checked bulb
sockets for bad pig tail.
Times almost up on my fix it ticket.



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Old 20 Mar 2007, 07:07 pm
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Default Re: 91 honda accord rear tail lights out

teri <none@000.com> wrote in news:992093_
4773497ced2b33aabf03abb16fbe4e0a@autoboardz.com:

> My headlights, brake lights and turn signals work but none of the back
> running lights work. I had no idea until I was pulled over at night
> by a cop. He only noticed me from several blocks away because I had
> stopped at a stop sign.
> Checked all the fuses inside and under hood- theyíre good. Thereís a
> relay in the box under the hood called the lighting relay. If thatís
> bad would it cause only the running lights to not work? Thatís the
> only one for lighting according to the lid diagram. Also checked bulb
> sockets for bad pig tail.
> Times almost up on my fix it ticket.
>
>
>




I suspect your combination switch (headlight switch) behind the steering
wheel.

Firstly, do the taillights work when you turn the headlight switch to
PARKING LIGHTS only? If so, the switch is faulty.

If they don't work in either position, backprobe the feed wire (the non-
black one) at the bulbs with the headlight switch turned to ON. If there is
no voltage, then you need to work your way upstream.

I don't have a wiring diagram for your Accord, so I can't tell you which
fuse controls that circuit. But it should say on the fuse box lid. If the
fuse is genuinely OK, you need to start multimetering the wires at the
combination switch connector.

You probably have four wires (not counting the fat white one) at the switch
connector. With the headlight switch turned to ON, all four colored wires
shuld have voltage. One will have voltage only when you pull back on the
switch to actvate the high beam flash-to-pass.

If one wire has no voltage at any time, then the switch is bad at that
contact. Try jumpering the dead wire to the white wire. Do the taillights
come on now? Then it's definitely the switch.

There are other circuits activated by the combination switch. check all the
other lights in and on the car carefully. Any dash lights out? Glove box
light? Front side marker lights?

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Old 23 Mar 2007, 02:25 pm
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Default Re: Re: 91 honda accord rear tail lights out

Tegger,
Thanks for the fast reply! I didnít even think about the switch.
They donít come on in the either position. My son and I have checked
every fuse in both boxs they all look good - but for a few bucks I
might as well change them all out.
And yes, now the dash lights are out also. Weíll be getting out the
multimeter and checking wiring.
Thanks again for the info Iíll post with results.

Teri

"Tegger" wrote:
> teri <none@000.com> wrote in news:992093_
> 4773497ced2b33aabf03abb16fbe4e0a@autoboardz.com:
>
> > My headlights, brake lights and turn signals work but none

> of the back
> > running lights work. I had no idea until I was pulled over

> at night
> > by a cop. He only noticed me from several blocks away

> because I had
> > stopped at a stop sign.
> > Checked all the fuses inside and under hood- theyíre good.

> Thereís a
> > relay in the box under the hood called the lighting relay.

> If thatís
> > bad would it cause only the running lights to not work?

> Thatís the
> > only one for lighting according to the lid diagram. Also

> checked bulb
> > sockets for bad pig tail.
> > Times almost up on my fix it ticket.
> >
> >
> >

>
>
>
> I suspect your combination switch (headlight switch) behind
> the steering
> wheel.
>
> Firstly, do the taillights work when you turn the headlight
> switch to
> PARKING LIGHTS only? If so, the switch is faulty.
>
> If they don't work in either position, backprobe the feed wire
> (the non-
> black one) at the bulbs with the headlight switch turned to
> ON. If there is
> no voltage, then you need to work your way upstream.
>
> I don't have a wiring diagram for your Accord, so I can't tell
> you which
> fuse controls that circuit. But it should say on the fuse box
> lid. If the
> fuse is genuinely OK, you need to start multimetering the
> wires at the
> combination switch connector.
>
> You probably have four wires (not counting the fat white one)
> at the switch
> connector. With the headlight switch turned to ON, all four
> colored wires
> shuld have voltage. One will have voltage only when you pull
> back on the
> switch to actvate the high beam flash-to-pass.
>
> If one wire has no voltage at any time, then the switch is bad
> at that
> contact. Try jumpering the dead wire to the white wire. Do the
> taillights
> come on now? Then it's definitely the switch.
>
> There are other circuits activated by the combination switch.
> check all the
> other lights in and on the car carefully. Any dash lights out?
> Glove box
> light? Front side marker lights?
>
> --
> Tegger
>
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> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/


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Old 24 Mar 2007, 05:55 am
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Default Re: 91 honda accord rear tail lights out

teri wrote:
>
> Tegger,
> Thanks for the fast reply! I didnít even think about the switch.
> They donít come on in the either position. My son and I have checked
> every fuse in both boxs they all look good - but for a few bucks I
> might as well change them all out.
> And yes, now the dash lights are out also. Weíll be getting out the
> multimeter and checking wiring.
> Thanks again for the info Iíll post with results.
>
> Teri
>


I had a similar problem with my '88 Civic, the headlights worked but none of
the running lights worked. It turned out to be the head light switch in the
steering column. Instead of replacing it, I took it apart and polished the
contacts with some 400 grit wet/dry sand paper and lubed it with some
silicone grease. It's been working fine ever since and it's been about 6
years.

Eric
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Old 05 Apr 2007, 06:02 am
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Eric wrote:
> teri wrote:
>> Tegger,
>> Thanks for the fast reply! I didnít even think about the switch.
>> They donít come on in the either position. My son and I have checked
>> every fuse in both boxs they all look good - but for a few bucks I
>> might as well change them all out.
>> And yes, now the dash lights are out also. Weíll be getting out the
>> multimeter and checking wiring.
>> Thanks again for the info Iíll post with results.
>>
>> Teri
>>

>
> I had a similar problem with my '88 Civic, the headlights worked but none of
> the running lights worked. It turned out to be the head light switch in the
> steering column. Instead of replacing it, I took it apart and polished the
> contacts with some 400 grit wet/dry sand paper and lubed it with some
> silicone grease. It's been working fine ever since and it's been about 6
> years.
>
> Eric

All sandpaper leaves microscopic bits of silica embedded in the
contacts, so it is verboten to use sandpaper, as the grains are
insulators, and abrasive.

We use a "point file" of metal, once very easy to find, for filing the
points in the distributor, which is like a metal fingernail file, small,
and fine grooves, for "polishing' the surfaces. It leaves no residue.



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Old 05 Apr 2007, 07:20 am
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"Linuxiac" <"2"@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Eric wrote:
>
> We use a "point file" of metal, once very easy to find, for filing the
> points in the distributor, which is like a metal fingernail file, small,
> and fine grooves, for "polishing' the surfaces. It leaves no residue.
>


Found in buggy-whip sections of stores everywhere ;-)

I've had good results with Scotchbrite, that stuff that looks like the
scrubby side of kitchen sponges. Many hardware stores carry it in the paint
or sandpaper sections. For relay and switch contacts, a burnishing tool
(found at electronics supply stores) is best as it does not remove the
precious metal plating... but that is a whole different story.

Mike



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Old 05 Apr 2007, 06:33 pm
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Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Linuxiac" <"2"@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4614d757$0$9925$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Eric wrote:
>>
>> We use a "point file" of metal, once very easy to find, for filing the
>> points in the distributor, which is like a metal fingernail file, small,
>> and fine grooves, for "polishing' the surfaces. It leaves no residue.
>>

>
> Found in buggy-whip sections of stores everywhere ;-)
>
> I've had good results with Scotchbrite, that stuff that looks like the
> scrubby side of kitchen sponges. Many hardware stores carry it in the paint
> or sandpaper sections. For relay and switch contacts, a burnishing tool
> (found at electronics supply stores) is best as it does not remove the
> precious metal plating... but that is a whole different story.
>
> Mike
>
>
>

hehe, I have my collection of point files in tool boxes, scattered over
two vehicles, and the shed, and the garage... My burnishing tool for
relays (issued to me in the Air Force) is a bit fragile.
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Old 07 Apr 2007, 12:47 pm
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:33:34 -0400, Linuxiac wrote:

> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> "Linuxiac" <"2"@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:4614d757$0$9925$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Eric wrote:
>>>
>>> We use a "point file" of metal, once very easy to find, for filing the
>>> points in the distributor, which is like a metal fingernail file,
>>> small, and fine grooves, for "polishing' the surfaces. It leaves no
>>> residue.
>>>
>>>

>> Found in buggy-whip sections of stores everywhere ;-)
>>
>> I've had good results with Scotchbrite, that stuff that looks like the
>> scrubby side of kitchen sponges. Many hardware stores carry it in the
>> paint or sandpaper sections. For relay and switch contacts, a burnishing
>> tool (found at electronics supply stores) is best as it does not remove
>> the precious metal plating... but that is a whole different story.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>

> hehe, I have my collection of point files in tool boxes, scattered over
> two vehicles, and the shed, and the garage... My burnishing tool for
> relays (issued to me in the Air Force) is a bit fragile.



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Old 07 Apr 2007, 12:57 pm
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Linuxiac wrote:
> Eric wrote:
>> teri wrote:
>>> Tegger,
>>> Thanks for the fast reply! I didnÔŅĹt even think about the switch.
>>> They donÔŅĹt come on in the either position. My son and I have checked
>>> every fuse in both boxs they all look good - but for a few bucks I
>>> might as well change them all out.
>>> And yes, now the dash lights are out also. WeÔŅĹll be getting out the
>>> multimeter and checking wiring.
>>> Thanks again for the info IÔŅĹll post with results.
>>>
>>> Teri
>>>

>>
>> I had a similar problem with my '88 Civic, the headlights worked but
>> none of
>> the running lights worked. It turned out to be the head light switch
>> in the
>> steering column. Instead of replacing it, I took it apart and
>> polished the
>> contacts with some 400 grit wet/dry sand paper and lubed it with some
>> silicone grease. It's been working fine ever since and it's been about 6
>> years.
>>
>> Eric

> All sandpaper leaves microscopic bits of silica embedded in the
> contacts, so it is verboten to use sandpaper, as the grains are
> insulators, and abrasive.


that's right. scotchbrite is even worse.

>
> We use a "point file" of metal, once very easy to find, for filing the
> points in the distributor, which is like a metal fingernail file, small,
> and fine grooves, for "polishing' the surfaces. It leaves no residue.
>
>
>

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Old 07 Apr 2007, 04:37 pm
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"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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> Linuxiac wrote:
>> All sandpaper leaves microscopic bits of silica embedded in the contacts,
>> so it is verboten to use sandpaper, as the grains are insulators, and
>> abrasive.

>
> that's right. scotchbrite is even worse.
>

What do you use when you have a "straight-in" approach only and need to
remove oxide?



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