Honda Car Forum

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:53:22 +0000, who wrote:

> In article <%VcJh.5885$vb.3007@trndny04>,
> Hachiroku ãƒÂ�ãƒÂ�ãƒÂ*ク <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:
>
>> My Scion sounds downright tinny! The manufacturing seems to be good, and
>> the parts good, but I notice more clips and fewer bolts, and the like.
>
> It's a bottom end car, hardly comparable to anything built in NAFTA.

Seen a Cobalt?

> For example GM gets it's bottom end cars from Korea.

And I wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot pole.
I worked at a Toyota dealer in '05. They are ALL getting a little 'cheaper'.

BTW, test times for the tC with the 2.4 L engine are within 10ths of a
second of my '88 Supra with the N/A engine when it was tested new. Good
enough for me. And it even makes my 'Hachiroku' seem like a sled...

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:55:15 +0000, Some O wrote:

> In article <IcdJh.40873$6P2.17747@newsfe16.phx>,
> "JoeBillyBob" <JoeBillyBob@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> but I sure do miss that LHS...
>
> I still have my '95 Chrysler LH, which is my only car. Runs and looks like
> new.

Mine had afew bumps and groans; one dent in the trunk, a leaky trans
cooler line and leaky valve cover gaskets. Other than that, that car was
COOL! And when I first got it, fuel economy was as good as my Scion! It
started slipping the second year...I was only getting 23 MPG overall!

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:59:28 +0000, Some O wrote:

> In article <BAeJh.2684$I56.125@trnddc06>, "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Actually, a lot of people really like the Taurus. They bought the used
>> ones with like 15k or 20k mi on them cheap.
> My friend bought a '96 Taurus SW used rental, which he just traded after
> 105k low cost miles.


They were decent cars if you maintained them.
I need a wagon or a van. I have a really nice Mazda 626 Winter beater, but
I would like a Subaru AWD wagon, or a Toyota Corolla All-Trac, but a
decent Sable or Taurus would make the list, too...

My preferences are: Toyota, then Subaru, then Ford. Actually, Ford kinda
ranks higher than Subaru, but I like AWD without having to drive an SUV...

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:43:55 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:

>> It's all about manufacturing the vehicles people want.
>
> Actually its about manufacturing vehicles with all the bells and whistles
> that people don't need, to force higher prices and margins.


I agree. My favorite cars were Corollas from the 70's and 80's, with very
few creature comforts. My Scion has a lot of bells and whistles, but has
that minimal feel nonetheless.

My Supra is a powerful car, but think how much more powerful it would be
without all the weight the bells and whistles added to it!

In article <x-KdnVJtA5cSAWvYnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote:

> > It's all about manufacturing the vehicles people want.
>
> Actually its about manufacturing vehicles with all the bells and whistles
> that people don't need, to force higher prices and margins. I challange you
> to go to any new car lot and try to find a *BASIC* transportation car, or
> truck or van.
Yes many want to buy all the bells and whistles, but not me. I don't
want basic either, but certainly not the latest toys such as GPS, DVD
player or even a sun roof.
I just want a mid or slightly smaller sized station Wagon, similar to
the Subaru Trooper in size.
The big 2.5, Toyota and others don't make them anymore.
VW and Volvo do, but UGH!

I just noticed that the new Ford Focus no longer comes in a SW style,
which will be noticed here where the Focus SW has been a big seller.

In article <6ZzJh.4002$8o1.1007@trndny01>,
Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:55:15 +0000, Some O wrote:
>
> > In article <IcdJh.40873$6P2.17747@newsfe16.phx>,
> > "JoeBillyBob" <JoeBillyBob@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> but I sure do miss that LHS...
> >
> > I still have my '95 Chrysler LH, which is my only car. Runs and looks like
> > new.
>
> Mine had afew bumps and groans; one dent in the trunk, a leaky trans
> cooler line and leaky valve cover gaskets. Other than that, that car was
> COOL! And when I first got it, fuel economy was as good as my Scion! It
> started slipping the second year...I was only getting 23 MPG overall!
I just did a 1,000 km highway drive and my LH still gets
8.0 L/100 (US 29 mpg)at 65mph as it always has. It only has about 90K
miles on it.
I've treated the transmission well and it shifts as new.
The 3.3L engine will probably continue as new forever. I've never had an
engine that continues as new for so long.
Neither the engine or engine have had any unusual maintenance problems.

Even though I drive on winter roads to the ski hills the body is still
excellent.

Thank goodness it is standing up so well, because what is available in
the car market doesn't impress me. I've set a 25% fuel mileage
improvement as my objective. Some new models are interesting, but I'll
give them two years to mature.
I'm now trading maintenance for depreciation and don't know what I'll do
with all the money I'm saving.

In article <u%zJh.4004$8o1.3134@trndny01>,
Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:

> I need a wagon or a van. I have a really nice Mazda 626 Winter beater, but
> I would like a Subaru AWD wagon, or a Toyota Corolla All-Trac, but a
> decent Sable or Taurus would make the list, too...
>
> My preferences are: Toyota, then Subaru, then Ford. Actually, Ford kinda
> ranks higher than Subaru, but I like AWD without having to drive an SUV...
I also have my eyes set on a SW.
As for AWD I rented a Fusion AWD V6 for 24 hrs, doing a fast highway
drive.
It's highway handling was not as good I'm used to with FWD as it
wandered on curves and required two hands to keep it on track.
FWD my vehicles hold the track much better.
Otherwise the Fusion impressed me and although I go to ski hills I have
no need for more than FWD.

As for Subaru their fuel mileage is significantly less than other
similar sized vehicles. I would have about a 20% increase in fuel
mileage if I went to an Outback or more for a Forester.

In article <Y2AJh.4006$8o1.3348@trndny01>,
Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:

> My Supra is a powerful car, but think how much more powerful it would be
> without all the weight the bells and whistles added to it!
Todays cars are much heavier than in the past.
Things like increased body stiffness, 6 spd transmissions, huge tires
and multi valve engines add a lot of weight.

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:

> They were decent cars if you maintained them.
> I need a wagon or a van. I have a really nice Mazda 626 Winter beater, but
> I would like a Subaru AWD wagon, or a Toyota Corolla All-Trac, but a
> decent Sable or Taurus would make the list, too...
>
> My preferences are: Toyota, then Subaru, then Ford. Actually, Ford kinda
> ranks higher than Subaru, but I like AWD without having to drive an SUV...


Sounds like we think a lot alike. No SUV's here either, I'll take a
wagon or a van if I actually need to move something big, but I would
like AWD on a car, especially if I move to snow country.

The Taurus also had/has a great crash rating, one that was tested when a
friend's Taurus got T-boned by a truck at an intersection with his
elderly grandfather on the impact side.

There were some injuries, nothing too serious, but it probably would
have been a fatality if he had been the passenger in my car in that
situation.

Pat

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:24:50 +0000, Some O wrote:

> In article <6ZzJh.4002$8o1.1007@trndny01>,
> Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:55:15 +0000, Some O wrote:
>>
>> > In article <IcdJh.40873$6P2.17747@newsfe16.phx>,
>> > "JoeBillyBob" <JoeBillyBob@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> but I sure do miss that LHS...
>> >
>> > I still have my '95 Chrysler LH, which is my only car. Runs and looks
>> > like new.
>>
>> Mine had afew bumps and groans; one dent in the trunk, a leaky trans
>> cooler line and leaky valve cover gaskets. Other than that, that car was
>> COOL! And when I first got it, fuel economy was as good as my Scion! It
>> started slipping the second year...I was only getting 23 MPG overall!
> I just did a 1,000 km highway drive and my LH still gets 8.0 L/100 (US 29
> mpg)at 65mph as it always has. It only has about 90K miles on it.
> I've treated the transmission well and it shifts as new. The 3.3L engine
> will probably continue as new forever. I've never had an engine that
> continues as new for so long. Neither the engine or engine have had any
> unusual maintenance problems.
>
> Even though I drive on winter roads to the ski hills the body is still
> excellent.
>
> Thank goodness it is standing up so well, because what is available in the
> car market doesn't impress me. I've set a 25% fuel mileage improvement as
> my objective. Some new models are interesting, but I'll give them two
> years to mature.
> I'm now trading maintenance for depreciation and don't know what I'll do
> with all the money I'm saving.


Hmmm...3.3L? Mine had a 3.5. Made in Canada...
I was getting about 29MPG when I got it, but after a year and a half it
was slipping to 22-23. Never did figure out why.

I also had mine sprayed with hydraulic oil before it's first full New
England winter. It was from Florida. Don't ask me how a Canadian built car
wound up so far south!!