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He said foreign car companies, not specifically Toyota. As it is, Toyota
is about to overtake GM on their own turf and Ford is spiraling down the
drain with record losses.

I know a person who bought a new Corvette and kept it exactly one year.
It made numerous trips to the dealership for repairs, which were covered
under warranty, but kept the car in the shop for a full month out of the
12 that he owned it. This is GM's flagship sport scar, and they can't
even get that right.

Really, name just one car, (not truck), from the top 3 U.S. auto makers
that doesn't have a similar but much better foreign offering.

Pat

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Really? Apparently American buyers think GM and Ford products are better
> that Toyota, they buy millions more of their vehicles from them than buyers
> that chose Toyotas LOL
>
> mike
>
>
>
>
> "Don" <DonAdams@GetSmart.com> wrote in message
> news:S1WIh.25171$S%2.8517@newsfe06.phx...
>
>>IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market, the
>>foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.
>>
>>Really simple....

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:3aidnY6QKPEhGWnYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@ptd.net...
> Really? Apparently American buyers think GM and Ford products are better
> that Toyota, they buy millions more of their vehicles from them than
> buyers that chose Toyotas LOL
>
> mike

As I said in other posts, if the "Big 3" offered what I wanted, I would
have bought one of theirs instead of my Tundra.

"pws" <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:45f48a5c$0$28159$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> He said foreign car companies, not specifically Toyota. As it is, Toyota
> is about to overtake GM on their own turf and Ford is spiraling down the
> drain with record losses.
>
> I know a person who bought a new Corvette and kept it exactly one year. It
> made numerous trips to the dealership for repairs, which were covered
> under warranty, but kept the car in the shop for a full month out of the
> 12 that he owned it. This is GM's flagship sport scar, and they can't even
> get that right.
>
> Really, name just one car, (not truck), from the top 3 U.S. auto makers
> that doesn't have a similar but much better foreign offering.

I'll give you 2
Mustang GT
Ford GT

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:3aidnY6QKPEhGWnYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@ptd.net...
> Really? Apparently American buyers think GM and Ford products are better
> that Toyota, they buy millions more of their vehicles from them than
> buyers that chose Toyotas LOL
>
> mike
>
>
>
>

Using your line of reasoning, liberals have a better "product" than the
conservatives. "Proof" is that they were voted in as the majority.

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:01:11 -0600, pws wrote:

> This is GM's flagship sport scar


LOL! Was this a Freudian? It sure works!

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:12:04 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:

>
> "pws" <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:45f48a5c$0$28159$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> He said foreign car companies, not specifically Toyota. As it is, Toyota
>> is about to overtake GM on their own turf and Ford is spiraling down the
>> drain with record losses.
>>
>> I know a person who bought a new Corvette and kept it exactly one year.
>> It made numerous trips to the dealership for repairs, which were covered
>> under warranty, but kept the car in the shop for a full month out of the
>> 12 that he owned it. This is GM's flagship sport scar, and they can't
>> even get that right.
>>
>> Really, name just one car, (not truck), from the top 3 U.S. auto makers
>> that doesn't have a similar but much better foreign offering.
>
> I'll give you 2
> Mustang GT

Nissan 350Z

> Ford GT

Acura NSX

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:01:11 -0600, pws wrote:
>
>
>>This is GM's flagship sport scar
>
>
>
> LOL! Was this a Freudian? It sure works!


Haha, I think so, it wasn't consciously intended.
That is pretty good, I must admit, my best typo so far.

Pat

jim beam wrote:
> Noon-Air wrote:
>> If the "American" companies offered what I wanted, without raping me
>> in the wallet, I would have bought one of those. As it was, the *ONLY*
>> truck that had what I needed was my Tundra..... and it was made in the
>> USA.
>
> that's the irony of the op's dumb-ass trolling. japanese companies
> manufacture quality vehicles here, using locally sourced components.
> domestics manufacture crap, in mexico and wherever, and use chinese
> components. and they over-charge. and they cut corners on dangerous
> stuff like red rear turn signals. then they whine about losing market
> share! must be run by sociopaths.

Let's hear it for the greed, of the manufactures, and labor unions...
--
Tom - Vista, CA

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:39:57 -0600, pws wrote:

> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:01:11 -0600, pws wrote:
>>
>>
>>>This is GM's flagship sport scar
>>
>>
>>
>> LOL! Was this a Freudian? It sure works!
>
>
> Haha, I think so, it wasn't consciously intended. That is pretty good, I
> must admit, my best typo so far.
>
> Pat


LOL! <BSEG>!

On Mar 11, 5:46 pm, Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:25:44 -0500, S.Lewis wrote:
>
> > "tizak" <tiza...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:1173623329.893117.107170@64g2000cwx.googlegr oups.com...
> >> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and Canadian
> >> government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad faith and
> >> trading unfairly.
>
> >> This is from a newspaper article (
> >>http://www.canada.com/topics/news/na...d=9be471d3-8dd....
>
> > <snip>
>
> > It's real simple. Americans want a car that *works* predictably and
> > reliably for YEARS. Many, if given that choice, would buy AMERICAN
> > vehicles if they met the criteria.
>
> > Sadly, most of the Detroit 3's offerings don't, haven't, and may not ever.
>
> > It's hard to remain loyal to any company that costs you regular trips to
> > the repair shop and hundreds or thousands of dollars.
>
> > Some of us don't have that kind of scratch to throw around simply to be
> > patriotic (putting everything else aside)....
>
> > It's sad. But people will buy what works.
>
> And if others in other countries can get what they want right at their own
> back door, why import junk?

I was looking to the future and reflecting on the past. Right now
although the US quality has improved it still lags the Japanese
manufacturers, so there is more work to do, but the quality gap has
closed, however, if it's the case that Asian car quality is that much
more superior what are the Asian Manufacturers afraid of? This is just
one example, there are other industries that are effected in exactly
the same way, ie: unfair trading behaviour.

They have a huge advantage if they can export with impunity while
denying the same access to the US manufacturers. Why aren't more
people outraged?

I think part of the problem is the fact that the American
manufacturers build for the North American market while the Asian and
Europeans build for the world, and on top of that the US manufacturers
have ceded large parts of the market due to lax and incompetent
management, through relying on Suv's and trucks, a very complacent
approach that only now is coming to fruition with massive loss of
market share for the US manufacturers as both the Suv and truck
markets have started to go south.

Also while relying on bulk sales to the car leasing companies look
good as far a volume is concerned they represent little in profit per
car, again a complacent approach that is a result and responsibility
of US auto makers management, I don't think you can blame the unions,
as I understand it the Japanese manufactures pay the same compensation
to their non-unionized members as the unionized US car manufacturer's
workers.