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Old 23 Dec 2011, 08:12 pm
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Default Mid-Year Upgrade - 2012 Civic

My Honda dealer tells me that Honda is upgrading the 2012 Civic's interior
as a mid-year upgrade in 2012 -- presumably in response to the negative
comments in the various reviews. If true, I have to wonder about all of
those unfortunate folks who bought before the upgrade.

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Old 24 Dec 2011, 01:38 am
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"tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in
newsyaJq.37232$U16.15934@newsfe15.iad:

> My Honda dealer tells me that Honda is upgrading the 2012 Civic's
> interior as a mid-year upgrade in 2012 -- presumably in response to
> the negative comments in the various reviews.




Wouldn't surprise me; the 2012 has engendered lots of criticism. Plus
Hyundai is carving slices out of Honda's turkey, so they have to do
/something/.

Me, I'd like to see some of Mr. Honda's spirit back in the cars. Honda
needs to get off the green-and-safety bandwagon and start making cars
people get excited about, like they used to.




> If true, I have to
> wonder about all of those unfortunate folks who bought before the
> upgrade.
>
>



It works both ways. Anybody who bought an Accord before '99 got a reliable
automatic tranny. The ones after that...

I got lucky with my Integra. The '90s had igniter problems, and the '92s
had distributor-bearing problems. I have a '91, and escaped both of those
issues.


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Old 24 Dec 2011, 06:16 am
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:38:10 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@example.com>
wrote:

>"tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in
>newsyaJq.37232$U16.15934@newsfe15.iad:
>
>> My Honda dealer tells me that Honda is upgrading the 2012 Civic's
>> interior as a mid-year upgrade in 2012 -- presumably in response to
>> the negative comments in the various reviews.

>
>
>
>Wouldn't surprise me; the 2012 has engendered lots of criticism. Plus
>Hyundai is carving slices out of Honda's turkey, so they have to do
>/something/.
>
>Me, I'd like to see some of Mr. Honda's spirit back in the cars. Honda
>needs to get off the green-and-safety bandwagon and start making cars
>people get excited about, like they used to.
>
>



I don't know if wow = innnovative but in my opinion they need to at
least show more innovations.
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Old 24 Dec 2011, 07:28 am
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In article <pyaJq.37232$U16.15934@newsfe15.iad>,
"tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:

> My Honda dealer tells me that Honda is upgrading the 2012 Civic's interior
> as a mid-year upgrade in 2012 -- presumably in response to the negative
> comments in the various reviews. If true, I have to wonder about all of
> those unfortunate folks who bought before the upgrade.


<snort> Not just the interior--the whole damn thing.

http://www.inautonews.com/honda-civi...-in-early-2012



Panic has ensued, because Honda got caught being asshats. They forgot
that the buyer holds the ultimate trump card: his feet.

Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. Honda wanted to sell a $12,000 car
for $20,000. They figured their reputation would allow that to happen.

The absolute arrogance of it all. Not to mention that they've plainly
lost touch with what people want to buy.

Honda is the Asian GM.

In other news, Kia *has* created cars people want to buy--a whole lineup
of them. The've spent the last 30 months bringing out fresh designs
that work. And any mechanical issues, or NVH issues, or whatever are
slight enough that people are willing to overlook them--because the
buyer gets a car he wants to buy, one which isn't saddled with $10,000
of reputation snob pricing that the machinery itself can't back up.
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Old 24 Dec 2011, 07:30 am
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In article <Xns9FC51ACC9E318tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@example.com> wrote:

> Me, I'd like to see some of Mr. Honda's spirit back in the cars. Honda
> needs to get off the green-and-safety bandwagon and start making cars
> people get excited about, like they used to.


Kia is halfway there with their designs.

And now Honda stumbles.

This could be enough for Hyundai/Kia to invest some very serious effort
in down to earth engineering, to mimic what Honda did back in the 70s
and 80s. Combined with their serious attack on the design front, that
would be the end of Honda's reputation for a long, long time.

Can you imagine the current Kia designs with bulletproof 4
cylinder/manual trans drivelines and proper suspensions?
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Old 24 Dec 2011, 10:47 am
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"Tegger" wrote in message news:Xns9FC51ACC9E318tegger@208.90.168.18...

"tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in
newsyaJq.37232$U16.15934@newsfe15.iad:

> My Honda dealer tells me that Honda is upgrading the 2012 Civic's
> interior as a mid-year upgrade in 2012 -- presumably in response to
> the negative comments in the various reviews.




Wouldn't surprise me; the 2012 has engendered lots of criticism. Plus
Hyundai is carving slices out of Honda's turkey, so they have to do
/something/.

Me, I'd like to see some of Mr. Honda's spirit back in the cars. Honda
needs to get off the green-and-safety bandwagon and start making cars
people get excited about, like they used to.




> If true, I have to
> wonder about all of those unfortunate folks who bought before the
> upgrade.
>
>



It works both ways. Anybody who bought an Accord before '99 got a reliable
automatic tranny. The ones after that...

I got lucky with my Integra. The '90s had igniter problems, and the '92s
had distributor-bearing problems. I have a '91, and escaped both of those
issues.

I had a 90 Integra RS (base version) years ago. Great car -- lousy dealer.
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Old 24 Dec 2011, 10:56 am
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message
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In article <pyaJq.37232$U16.15934@newsfe15.iad>,
"tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:

> My Honda dealer tells me that Honda is upgrading the 2012 Civic's interior
> as a mid-year upgrade in 2012 -- presumably in response to the negative
> comments in the various reviews. If true, I have to wonder about all of
> those unfortunate folks who bought before the upgrade.


<snort> Not just the interior--the whole damn thing.

http://www.inautonews.com/honda-civi...-in-early-2012



Panic has ensued, because Honda got caught being asshats. They forgot
that the buyer holds the ultimate trump card: his feet.

Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. Honda wanted to sell a $12,000 car
for $20,000. They figured their reputation would allow that to happen.

The absolute arrogance of it all. Not to mention that they've plainly
lost touch with what people want to buy.

Honda is the Asian GM.

gIn other news, Kia *has* created cars people want to buy--a whole lineup
of them. The've spent the last 30 months bringing out fresh designs
that work. And any mechanical issues, or NVH issues, or whatever are
slight enough that people are willing to overlook them--because the
buyer gets a car he wants to buy, one which isn't saddled with $10,000
of reputation snob pricing that the machinery itself can't back up.

I have had great service out of my 06 Accord I4 coupe EX. No problems so
far with 90k miles. The design is (in my opinion) one of the better coupes
Honda has produced. The current version simply is big and ungainly. I
thought about Kia but am leery of the long-term quality and reliability.
Their option package leaves me cold. If you want a sunroof you have to take
a $2,900 option that gets you navigation and other gimmicks I don't want or
need. The Kia appears to be a badge engineered Hyundai, which I suppose is
OK. In sum, I think I will just drive my Accord another several years and
play a waiting game.

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Old 24 Dec 2011, 12:00 pm
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On 12/24/2011 04:16 AM, Doug wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:38:10 +0000 (UTC), Tegger<invalid@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "tww1491"<twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in
>> newsyaJq.37232$U16.15934@newsfe15.iad:
>>
>>> My Honda dealer tells me that Honda is upgrading the 2012 Civic's
>>> interior as a mid-year upgrade in 2012 -- presumably in response to
>>> the negative comments in the various reviews.

>>
>>
>>
>> Wouldn't surprise me; the 2012 has engendered lots of criticism. Plus
>> Hyundai is carving slices out of Honda's turkey, so they have to do
>> /something/.
>>
>> Me, I'd like to see some of Mr. Honda's spirit back in the cars. Honda
>> needs to get off the green-and-safety bandwagon and start making cars
>> people get excited about, like they used to.
>>
>>

>
>
> I don't know if wow = innnovative but in my opinion they need to at
> least show more innovations.


"innovation" for the sake of it is marketing/mba retardation, not what
consumers want in their cars. what people want is incremental
improvement. exploding transmissions, macpherson suspension and gutless
underperformance are neither incremental nor improvement.

to put it another way, the vw gti has been the same basic configuration
for over three decades. incremental improvement to the motor,
transmission and rear suspension have made a decent-ish car pretty good,
for the money. porsche 911 is another example of enduring design with
incremental improvements making it great.

compare that with the polar opposite starting points and directions of
the civic/gti. the ef civic/crx was simply awesome, and a great
starting point for further improvement. [wishbone suspension, room for
performance bolt-in motors, and built-in capacity for 4wd for example.]
but that platform was steadily neutered. now, the civic platform is
nothing but a capon - fat sterile, and it can hardly even walk, let
alone fly.


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Old 24 Dec 2011, 12:02 pm
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On 12/24/2011 05:30 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<Xns9FC51ACC9E318tegger@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger<invalid@example.com> wrote:
>
>> Me, I'd like to see some of Mr. Honda's spirit back in the cars. Honda
>> needs to get off the green-and-safety bandwagon and start making cars
>> people get excited about, like they used to.

>
> Kia is halfway there with their designs.
>
> And now Honda stumbles.
>
> This could be enough for Hyundai/Kia to invest some very serious effort
> in down to earth engineering, to mimic what Honda did back in the 70s
> and 80s. Combined with their serious attack on the design front, that
> would be the end of Honda's reputation for a long, long time.
>
> Can you imagine the current Kia designs with bulletproof 4
> cylinder/manual trans drivelines and proper suspensions?


especially if they offered one in evo/subie-killer format. [they've
been rallying them in europe i believe.]

it's also worth noting that kia have a small pickup they sell in other
markets. if they sold that here, that would be a real challenge to the
sensibilities of the great american rural "joe/jolene sixpack"'s who
have been ignoring kia thus far.


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Old 24 Dec 2011, 12:02 pm
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On 12/24/2011 08:56 AM, tww1491 wrote:
>
>
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message
> news:elmop-4676A9.08282324122011@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> In article <pyaJq.37232$U16.15934@newsfe15.iad>,
> "tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> My Honda dealer tells me that Honda is upgrading the 2012 Civic's
>> interior
>> as a mid-year upgrade in 2012 -- presumably in response to the negative
>> comments in the various reviews. If true, I have to wonder about all of
>> those unfortunate folks who bought before the upgrade.

>
> <snort> Not just the interior--the whole damn thing.
>
> http://www.inautonews.com/honda-civi...-in-early-2012
>
>
>
> Panic has ensued, because Honda got caught being asshats. They forgot
> that the buyer holds the ultimate trump card: his feet.
>
> Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. Honda wanted to sell a $12,000 car
> for $20,000. They figured their reputation would allow that to happen.
>
> The absolute arrogance of it all. Not to mention that they've plainly
> lost touch with what people want to buy.
>
> Honda is the Asian GM.
>
> gIn other news, Kia *has* created cars people want to buy--a whole lineup
> of them. The've spent the last 30 months bringing out fresh designs
> that work. And any mechanical issues, or NVH issues, or whatever are
> slight enough that people are willing to overlook them--because the
> buyer gets a car he wants to buy, one which isn't saddled with $10,000
> of reputation snob pricing that the machinery itself can't back up.
>
> I have had great service out of my 06 Accord I4 coupe EX. No problems so
> far with 90k miles. The design is (in my opinion) one of the better
> coupes Honda has produced. The current version simply is big and
> ungainly. I thought about Kia but am leery of the long-term quality and
> reliability. Their option package leaves me cold. If you want a sunroof
> you have to take a $2,900 option that gets you navigation and other
> gimmicks I don't want or need. The Kia appears to be a badge engineered
> Hyundai, which I suppose is OK. In sum, I think I will just drive my
> Accord another several years and play a waiting game.


i'm hanging on to my 89 civic hatch. light, relatively fast, handles
great. simple interior but excellent ergonomics. got to spend loadsa
dough to beat that thing - its closest updated competitor right now is
the current vw gti. and don't even /think/ of a honda competitor to the
wrx or evo. pathetic.


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