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Old 19 Feb 2007, 09:41 am
rick++
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Default odometer class action suit

Radio says Honda settled, but I didnt see the exact terms.
I received a letter in Dec saying that I was a member of this suit.
The proposed settlement was that Honda would pay for repairs
inccurred up to 38K miles instead of 36K due to inaccuracies
in odometers. Plus leasees would have 2K mileage overchanges
refunded.

I do not know if 5% odometer inaccuracies are consider engineering
norm or rather sloppy by current standards.

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Old 19 Feb 2007, 10:00 am
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rick++ wrote:
> Radio says Honda settled, but I didnt see the exact terms.
> I received a letter in Dec saying that I was a member of this suit.
> The proposed settlement was that Honda would pay for repairs
> inccurred up to 38K miles instead of 36K due to inaccuracies
> in odometers. Plus leasees would have 2K mileage overchanges
> refunded.
>
> I do not know if 5% odometer inaccuracies are consider engineering
> norm or rather sloppy by current standards.
>

domestics only have to be 90% accurate. that's /twice/ as sloppy as
you're alleging there's a problem with. a lawsuit for 5% between miles
36k & 38k??? that's utter bull.
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Old 19 Feb 2007, 11:55 am
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Default Re: odometer class action suit

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:41:18 -0800, rick++ wrote:

> Radio says Honda settled, but I didnt see the exact terms.
> I received a letter in Dec saying that I was a member of this suit.
> The proposed settlement was that Honda would pay for repairs
> inccurred up to 38K miles instead of 36K due to inaccuracies
> in odometers. Plus leasees would have 2K mileage overchanges
> refunded.
>
> I do not know if 5% odometer inaccuracies are consider engineering
> norm or rather sloppy by current standards.


They are the norm, really, since Speedometers are rarely accurate, and
most Odometers are run by the speedo.

Some of us get great benefit from this suit. My Speedo and Odo are pretty
spot-on, so I get a couple thousand miles of free warranty... ;-)
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Old 19 Feb 2007, 07:36 pm
Art
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Default Re: odometer class action suit

Give me a break. If the inaccuracies were random, some would be high and
some would read low. Amazingly, all read high.... thus the lawsuit.


"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:N8adnbqKeI0_VETYnZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> rick++ wrote:
>> Radio says Honda settled, but I didnt see the exact terms.
>> I received a letter in Dec saying that I was a member of this suit.
>> The proposed settlement was that Honda would pay for repairs
>> inccurred up to 38K miles instead of 36K due to inaccuracies
>> in odometers. Plus leasees would have 2K mileage overchanges
>> refunded.
>>
>> I do not know if 5% odometer inaccuracies are consider engineering
>> norm or rather sloppy by current standards.
>>

> domestics only have to be 90% accurate. that's /twice/ as sloppy as
> you're alleging there's a problem with. a lawsuit for 5% between miles
> 36k & 38k??? that's utter bull.



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Old 19 Feb 2007, 08:20 pm
jim beam
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Art wrote:
> Give me a break. If the inaccuracies were random, some would be high and
> some would read low. Amazingly, all read high.... thus the lawsuit.


what's "random" got to do with it? the point is that it's less than
other vehicles, [or to put it another way, twice as good as some] so why
the lawsuit for honda but no one else? /that/ is the bull.

contrast that with something that's a safety issue such as red rear turn
signals, but that's /not/ a lawsuit? this is domestics vs. imports b.s.
pure and simple. detroit can't build a better car? start a lawsuit!

>
>
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:N8adnbqKeI0_VETYnZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> rick++ wrote:
>>> Radio says Honda settled, but I didnt see the exact terms.
>>> I received a letter in Dec saying that I was a member of this suit.
>>> The proposed settlement was that Honda would pay for repairs
>>> inccurred up to 38K miles instead of 36K due to inaccuracies
>>> in odometers. Plus leasees would have 2K mileage overchanges
>>> refunded.
>>>
>>> I do not know if 5% odometer inaccuracies are consider engineering
>>> norm or rather sloppy by current standards.
>>>

>> domestics only have to be 90% accurate. that's /twice/ as sloppy as
>> you're alleging there's a problem with. a lawsuit for 5% between miles
>> 36k & 38k??? that's utter bull.

>
>

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Old 19 Feb 2007, 10:40 pm
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:55:25 +0000 (UTC), Joe LaVigne
<jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:41:18 -0800, rick++ wrote:
>
>> Radio says Honda settled, but I didnt see the exact terms.
>> I received a letter in Dec saying that I was a member of this suit.
>> The proposed settlement was that Honda would pay for repairs
>> inccurred up to 38K miles instead of 36K due to inaccuracies
>> in odometers. Plus leasees would have 2K mileage overchanges
>> refunded.
>>
>> I do not know if 5% odometer inaccuracies are consider engineering
>> norm or rather sloppy by current standards.

>
>They are the norm, really, since Speedometers are rarely accurate, and
>most Odometers are run by the speedo.
>
>Some of us get great benefit from this suit. My Speedo and Odo are pretty
>spot-on, so I get a couple thousand miles of free warranty... ;-)


Of course, if nothing breaks during those 2K, you didn't really get
anything.
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Old 19 Feb 2007, 10:50 pm
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:00:33 -0800, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

>rick++ wrote:
>> Radio says Honda settled, but I didnt see the exact terms.
>> I received a letter in Dec saying that I was a member of this suit.
>> The proposed settlement was that Honda would pay for repairs
>> inccurred up to 38K miles instead of 36K due to inaccuracies
>> in odometers. Plus leasees would have 2K mileage overchanges
>> refunded.
>>
>> I do not know if 5% odometer inaccuracies are consider engineering
>> norm or rather sloppy by current standards.
>>

>domestics only have to be 90% accurate. that's /twice/ as sloppy as
>you're alleging there's a problem with. a lawsuit for 5% between miles
>36k & 38k??? that's utter bull.


I don't know - not all together bad. There has long been a practice
to target the odo to be 5% on the high side. Manufacturers are now
put on notice that they will be accountable for the full mileage as
promised.

Sorry it had to happen to my favorite car company, but I don't think
it is going to cost them too much. And I bet every speedometer coming
off every assembly line just got more accurate and every existing
warranty/lease just got 5% longer.
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Old 20 Feb 2007, 12:17 pm
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On Feb 19, 11:50 pm, Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVr...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:00:33 -0800, jim beam
>
> <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >rick++ wrote:
> >> Radio says Honda settled, but I didnt see the exact terms.
> >> I received a letter in Dec saying that I was a member of this suit.
> >> The proposed settlement was that Honda would pay for repairs
> >> inccurred up to 38K miles instead of 36K due to inaccuracies
> >> in odometers. Plus leasees would have 2K mileage overchanges
> >> refunded.

>
> >> I do not know if 5% odometer inaccuracies are consider engineering
> >> norm or rather sloppy by current standards.

>
> >domestics only have to be 90% accurate. that's /twice/ as sloppy as
> >you're alleging there's a problem with. a lawsuit for 5% between miles
> >36k & 38k??? that's utter bull.

>
> I don't know - not all together bad. There has long been a practice
> to target the odo to be 5% on the high side. Manufacturers are now
> put on notice that they will be accountable for the full mileage as
> promised.
>
> Sorry it had to happen to my favorite car company, but I don't think
> it is going to cost them too much. And I bet every speedometer coming
> off every assembly line just got more accurate and every existing
> warranty/lease just got 5% longer.


Yeah, speedometers (and therefore odometers) have always been
optimistic. I don't know if it's to give the owners more self-esteem,
or help them avoid tickets.

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Old 20 Feb 2007, 07:15 pm
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On 20 Feb 2007 10:17:22 -0800, "z" <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote:

>On Feb 19, 11:50 pm, Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVr...@mindspring.com>
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:00:33 -0800, jim beam
>>
>> <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> >rick++ wrote:
>> >> Radio says Honda settled, but I didnt see the exact terms.
>> >> I received a letter in Dec saying that I was a member of this suit.
>> >> The proposed settlement was that Honda would pay for repairs
>> >> inccurred up to 38K miles instead of 36K due to inaccuracies
>> >> in odometers. Plus leasees would have 2K mileage overchanges
>> >> refunded.

>>
>> >> I do not know if 5% odometer inaccuracies are consider engineering
>> >> norm or rather sloppy by current standards.

>>
>> >domestics only have to be 90% accurate. that's /twice/ as sloppy as
>> >you're alleging there's a problem with. a lawsuit for 5% between miles
>> >36k & 38k??? that's utter bull.

>>
>> I don't know - not all together bad. There has long been a practice
>> to target the odo to be 5% on the high side. Manufacturers are now
>> put on notice that they will be accountable for the full mileage as
>> promised.
>>
>> Sorry it had to happen to my favorite car company, but I don't think
>> it is going to cost them too much. And I bet every speedometer coming
>> off every assembly line just got more accurate and every existing
>> warranty/lease just got 5% longer.

>
>Yeah, speedometers (and therefore odometers) have always been
>optimistic. I don't know if it's to give the owners more self-esteem,
>or help them avoid tickets.


Some other advantages for the manufacturer:

Warranty expires earlier
Scheduled maintenance comes up more frequently
Gas mileage appears better
Car seems to last longer
Car gets replaced sooner
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Old 03 Mar 2007, 07:09 am
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Gordon McGrew wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:00:33 -0800, jim beam
> <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> rick++ wrote:
>>> Radio says Honda settled, but I didnt see the exact terms.
>>> I received a letter in Dec saying that I was a member of this suit.
>>> The proposed settlement was that Honda would pay for repairs
>>> inccurred up to 38K miles instead of 36K due to inaccuracies
>>> in odometers. Plus leasees would have 2K mileage overchanges
>>> refunded.
>>>
>>> I do not know if 5% odometer inaccuracies are consider engineering
>>> norm or rather sloppy by current standards.
>>>

>> domestics only have to be 90% accurate. that's /twice/ as sloppy as
>> you're alleging there's a problem with. a lawsuit for 5% between
>> miles 36k & 38k??? that's utter bull.

>
> I don't know - not all together bad. There has long been a practice
> to target the odo to be 5% on the high side. Manufacturers are now
> put on notice that they will be accountable for the full mileage as
> promised.


While we all get an extra 5% (that's1800 miles on a 36K warranty), the law
firm that took on this class action got about (from what I read) 9 million
bucks. Who's best interests were served?

>
> Sorry it had to happen to my favorite car company, but I don't think
> it is going to cost them too much. And I bet every speedometer coming
> off every assembly line just got more accurate and every existing
> warranty/lease just got 5% longer.



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