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"D.K." <pdsnickles@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> I am not buying new visors at dealer prices! This is ridiculous! I'm
> going to complain to Honda about this. I mean, the stickers are really
> big and bright and obnoxious! I understand they want people not to put
> kids in the front seat, but really, people are going to do what they
> want regardless of the sticker. The stickers should be removable!



The reason they are not removable is...liability exposure.

It's screwy. First the automakers are compelled by legislation and
regulation into installing airbags, and then they are left open to
litigation when those airbags kill and maim people.

You will not be allowed to buy sun visors without stickers. The only thing
I can suggest is to buy labels to stick over the stickers.

But if you do that and later on somebody gets hurt in some manner warned
about on the stickers, I certainly hope you won't plan on suing Honda
because they made the stickers too easy to cover up.


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"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns98C7C8AE9D7F7tegger@207.14.116.130...
> "D.K." <pdsnickles@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1170106439.451885.262430@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com:
>
>> I am not buying new visors at dealer prices! This is ridiculous! I'm
>> going to complain to Honda about this. I mean, the stickers are really
>> big and bright and obnoxious! I understand they want people not to put
>> kids in the front seat, but really, people are going to do what they
>> want regardless of the sticker. The stickers should be removable!
>
> The reason they are not removable is...liability exposure.
>
> It's screwy. First the automakers are compelled by legislation and
> regulation into installing airbags, and then they are left open to
> litigation when those airbags kill and maim people.

I was figuring they might actually be there as the government (U.S. most
likely and it's cheaper to have the same part across the board rather than a
different one for each country) mandates it.

> You will not be allowed to buy sun visors without stickers. The only thing
> I can suggest is to buy labels to stick over the stickers.

I was thinking having a tailor or upholstry shop re-cloth them.

> But if you do that and later on somebody gets hurt in some manner warned
> about on the stickers, I certainly hope you won't plan on suing Honda
> because they made the stickers too easy to cover up.

Agreed.

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
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> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
> news:Xns98C76C7B0F6FFjyanikkuanet@64.209.0.86...
>> Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote in news:45BDC781.B10B2AAD@spam.now:
>>
>>>
>>> I've never tried it, but you might want to consider using some type
>>> of solvent to loosen up the adhesive. I would start with LPS brand
>>> contact cleaner. It's a little expensive but it "shouldn't damage"
>>> most plastic.
>>
>> I think I'd begin with GooGone or similar product before LPS.
>> LPS,I believe,is NOT a "contact cleaner".
>>
>
> LPS makes both a contact cleaner that is styrene safe and a lubricant
> known as "LPS 2." The contact cleaner has a light aroma and evaporates
> completely.
>
> Mike
>
>
>

this the stuff you mean?
http://www.lpslabs.com/products/msds/10416.pdf

I wouldn't be using it inside MY car.
I also don't believe it's going to unstick his sticker.

http://www.lpslabs.com/Products/Lubricants/Lps2.asp

this is NOT a contact cleaner either.

LPS =Light Petroleum Solvent,IIRC (or maybe Light Penetrating Solvent)


Home Page;
http://www.lpslabs.com/products.asp.



--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
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Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns98C7C8AE9D7F7tegger@207.14.116.130:

> "D.K." <pdsnickles@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1170106439.451885.262430@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com:
>
>> I am not buying new visors at dealer prices! This is ridiculous! I'm
>> going to complain to Honda about this. I mean, the stickers are
>> really big and bright and obnoxious! I understand they want people
>> not to put kids in the front seat, but really, people are going to do
>> what they want regardless of the sticker. The stickers should be
>> removable!
>
>
>
> The reason they are not removable is...liability exposure.
>
> It's screwy. First the automakers are compelled by legislation and
> regulation into installing airbags, and then they are left open to
> litigation when those airbags kill and maim people.
>
> You will not be allowed to buy sun visors without stickers. The only
> thing I can suggest is to buy labels to stick over the stickers.
>
> But if you do that and later on somebody gets hurt in some manner
> warned about on the stickers, I certainly hope you won't plan on suing
> Honda because they made the stickers too easy to cover up.
>
>

He could always take them to a local automotive upholstery shop and have
them recovered.
Maybe even DIY,if he cares enough to tackle the job.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

D.K. wrote:
> I am not buying new visors at dealer prices! This is ridiculous! I'm
> going to complain to Honda about this. I mean, the stickers are really
> big and bright and obnoxious! I understand they want people not to put
> kids in the front seat, but really, people are going to do what they
> want regardless of the sticker. The stickers should be removable!
[snip]
> If I don't hear from anyone who's done it, I'm writing the VP in
> charge of Customer Relations for Honda and asking him for new visors
> without the damned stickers!

Why not write your Congresscreep and ask him/her what gives? $5 will
get $10 that "Big Brother" put the gun to Honda's (and every other car
manufacturer's) head and said "Warn Them and Make Sure They Listen or See"

On 29 Jan 2007 13:33:59 -0800, "D.K." <pdsnickles@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I am not buying new visors at dealer prices! This is ridiculous! I'm
>going to complain to Honda about this. I mean, the stickers are really
>big and bright and obnoxious! I understand they want people not to put
>kids in the front seat, but really, people are going to do what they
>want regardless of the sticker. The stickers should be removable!
>
>As for trying solvent, the visors are not vinyl or plastic, they are
>cloth-covered. The cloth is synthetic, yes, but I fear that any
>solvent will discolor them. I was hoping someone had done this and
>could tell me how to do it without damaging the upholstery.
>
>If I don't hear from anyone who's done it, I'm writing the VP in
>charge of Customer Relations for Honda and asking him for new visors
>without the damned stickers!

Don't bother. If they wanted you to remove the stickers, they would
be removable. Do price the replacements though. It will give you an
incentive to be careful with the ones you have.

On Jan 29, 1:33 pm, "D.K." <pdsnick...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am not buying new visors at dealer prices! This is ridiculous! I'm
> going to complain to Honda about this.

Don't all manufacturers have similar stickers on their visors?

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns98C7D12AA4CC9jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.86...
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:U8mdnTNauPpCCSPYnZ2dnUVZ_uKknZ2d@sedona.net:
>
>> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
>> news:Xns98C76C7B0F6FFjyanikkuanet@64.209.0.86...
>>> Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote in news:45BDC781.B10B2AAD@spam.now:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've never tried it, but you might want to consider using some type
>>>> of solvent to loosen up the adhesive. I would start with LPS brand
>>>> contact cleaner. It's a little expensive but it "shouldn't damage"
>>>> most plastic.
>>>
>>> I think I'd begin with GooGone or similar product before LPS.
>>> LPS,I believe,is NOT a "contact cleaner".
>>>
>>
>> LPS makes both a contact cleaner that is styrene safe and a lubricant
>> known as "LPS 2." The contact cleaner has a light aroma and evaporates
>> completely.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>
> this the stuff you mean?
> http://www.lpslabs.com/products/msds/10416.pdf
>
> I wouldn't be using it inside MY car.
> I also don't believe it's going to unstick his sticker.
>
That's the stuff. It's a good non-residue contact cleaner (although I prefer
the residue type for potentiometers, with Stabilant 22a being the best).
When I worked in avionics we used LPS contact cleaner by the case. I agree -
I doubt it would remove the stickers. In fact, I suspect the stickers are
"ironed on" or otherwise permanently attached for the legal reasons others
have mentioned.

Mike

"Bucky" <uw_badgers@email.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 29, 1:33 pm, "D.K." <pdsnick...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I am not buying new visors at dealer prices! This is ridiculous! I'm
>> going to complain to Honda about this.
>
> Don't all manufacturers have similar stickers on their visors?
>
I think so.

On Jan 30, 6:19 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
wrote:
> "Bucky" <uw_badg...@email.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1170144572.588996.62490@j27g2000cwj.googlegro ups.com...> On Jan 29, 1:33 pm, "D.K." <pdsnick...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> I am not buying new visors at dealer prices! This is ridiculous! I'm
> >> going to complain to Honda about this.
>
> > Don't all manufacturers have similar stickers on their visors?
>
> I think so.

If they are legally required to put them on, and make them big and
yellow and ugly, then I'll forgive Honda for it; but if they are not
required by law to put them on permanently, then it is a very poor
decision to do so.