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In article <5bGdncG_8trWqyXYnZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
spamvortex@bad.example.net says...
> Dave Garrett wrote:

> > I think I posted about this when my timing belt was changed a couple of
> > years ago; the short version was that my usual mechanic told me after
> > he'd finished the work that he thought my 90 CRX Si had a 1.5L engine
> > instead of the usual 1.6, because the timing belt for a 1.6 didn't fit,
> > but the belt from a 1.5 did. He claimed to have called a friend at a
> > Honda dealer who told him that 1.5L engines had been installed in some
> > Si models.
> <snip>
>
> that's b.s. the only way this happens is either if the car is
> crashed/stolen parted out, then later rebuilt again with the cheap
> motor, or the d16 blew and a cheapo d15 block was used as replacement.
> whatever the deal, it's /way/ too late to do anything about the person
> that did the work. if you want you can get d16's as jdm replacements
> for not an incredible amount of money. depending on local emissions
> laws, you can maybe get away with a zc motor - some of those are sweet -
> cheap too.

I thought it sounded like BS at the time too. I don't know enough about
the details of the differences between the two engines - do they use the
same block, or is it significantly different?

And yeah, I'm certainly not expecting to have any recourse at this late
date other than never patronizing that dealer again. If I'm going to do
a swap, I'm inclined to go for a B16 for a significant power boost. But
as you're probably well aware, a B16 transplant isn't nearly as easy a
bolt-in as a ZC - off the top of my head, you need new motor mounts, new
axles, a wiring subharness to connect the VTEC controller, a new ECU, a
new gauge cluster, and a new AC bracket (where I live, not having AC in
the summer is a significant problem, so I need to keep it functioning).
That's probably at least $2K in parts before you even get started on the
labor to install everything. Hence my earlier comment about trying to
find another CRX that's already had a B16 professionally installed.

Dave

In article <epa7d1$s13$6@news.datemas.de>, jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
says...

> If you're not getting the larger engine, you're not getting an Si. The Si
> is the performance package.
>
> If I would have found a 1.6L under the hood of my Si, instead of the 2.0L
> it is advertised as, you can damn well believe the car would have been
> back at the dealer right away.
>
> This person doesn't have such recourse, likely, due to the age of the car,
> and the time since it was purchased, but I'd still be mad as hell.

I don't think it's a case of simply rebadging a DX as an Si, unless
someone grafted all of the Si suspension and braking upgrades on as well
- Sis had 4-wheel discs in 1990, and AFAIK 4-wheel discs were unique to
the Si in the CRX model range.

And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
This should've been disclosed by the dealer.

Dave

Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote in
news:MPG.2022b80cad2a539e98a158@207.14.116.130:


>
> You've got mail - I didn't want to post the number on the net, but
> feel free to post the results here.
>
> I had a Carfax account briefly several years ago, and at that time I
> remember running a report for my car, but I don't recall seeing
> anything unusual then. It's been a while, however, and my memory could
> certainly be faulty, so I'll be interested to see what it says.
>



Huh. I just replied to this thread in the other group, being unaware
somebody would try to be clever and remove the crossposting, then continue
the thread with info now invisible to the other group. Dumb.

All you need to determine the engine that was shipped with the car is the
first eight digits of the VIN. It's the last six that reveal your specific
car.

There are many VIN decoding sites on the Internet.

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"Dano58" <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1169734704.580895.81910@k78g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com:

>
>
> On Jan 25, 5:51 am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <e...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>> In article <5bGdncC_8to7qyXYnZ2dnUVZ_uDin...@speakeasy.net> ,
>> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > And a bogus Si sticker from the previous ricer owner.
>>
>> > check the vehicle reg docs? i doubt it's just a sticker job - the
>> > conversion from 2pfi to 4pfi is non-trivial.The serial number will
>> > tell all. Carfax, anyone?
>
> I have an open account. What's the VIN?
>
> Dan D
> '07 Ody EX
> Central NJ USA
>


Hey Dan, don't remove crossposting that has been correctly done. You've
left an orphan thread in the other group.

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Dave Garrett wrote:
> In article <epa7d1$s13$6@news.datemas.de>, jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
> says...
>
>> If you're not getting the larger engine, you're not getting an Si. The Si
>> is the performance package.
>>
>> If I would have found a 1.6L under the hood of my Si, instead of the 2.0L
>> it is advertised as, you can damn well believe the car would have been
>> back at the dealer right away.
>>
>> This person doesn't have such recourse, likely, due to the age of the car,
>> and the time since it was purchased, but I'd still be mad as hell.
>
> I don't think it's a case of simply rebadging a DX as an Si, unless
> someone grafted all of the Si suspension and braking upgrades on as well
> - Sis had 4-wheel discs in 1990, and AFAIK 4-wheel discs were unique to
> the Si in the CRX model range.
>
> And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
> This should've been disclosed by the dealer.
>
well, yes and no. if they got the vehicle from a trade, and they took
it in good faith, then it may not be their fault. just looking under
the hood doesn't tell you what the motor is - the externals are identical.

Dave Garrett wrote:
> In article <5bGdncG_8trWqyXYnZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
> spamvortex@bad.example.net says...
>> Dave Garrett wrote:
>
>>> I think I posted about this when my timing belt was changed a couple of
>>> years ago; the short version was that my usual mechanic told me after
>>> he'd finished the work that he thought my 90 CRX Si had a 1.5L engine
>>> instead of the usual 1.6, because the timing belt for a 1.6 didn't fit,
>>> but the belt from a 1.5 did. He claimed to have called a friend at a
>>> Honda dealer who told him that 1.5L engines had been installed in some
>>> Si models.
>> <snip>
>>
>> that's b.s. the only way this happens is either if the car is
>> crashed/stolen parted out, then later rebuilt again with the cheap
>> motor, or the d16 blew and a cheapo d15 block was used as replacement.
>> whatever the deal, it's /way/ too late to do anything about the person
>> that did the work. if you want you can get d16's as jdm replacements
>> for not an incredible amount of money. depending on local emissions
>> laws, you can maybe get away with a zc motor - some of those are sweet -
>> cheap too.
>
> I thought it sounded like BS at the time too. I don't know enough about
> the details of the differences between the two engines - do they use the
> same block, or is it significantly different?

i don't do rebuilds so i don't know for sure, but afaik, the blocks and
heads are identical. the crank is slightly longer stroke [to give the
extra few cc's of capacity] and the cam is a little more punchy, but
other than that, they're the same.

>
> And yeah, I'm certainly not expecting to have any recourse at this late
> date other than never patronizing that dealer again. If I'm going to do
> a swap, I'm inclined to go for a B16 for a significant power boost. But
> as you're probably well aware, a B16 transplant isn't nearly as easy a
> bolt-in as a ZC - off the top of my head, you need new motor mounts,

are you sure?

> new
> axles,

are you sure?

> a wiring subharness to connect the VTEC controller, a new ECU,

yes & yes.

> a
> new gauge cluster,

not if you use a cable transmission.

> and a new AC bracket (where I live, not having AC in
> the summer is a significant problem, so I need to keep it functioning).
> That's probably at least $2K in parts before you even get started on the
> labor to install everything. Hence my earlier comment about trying to
> find another CRX that's already had a B16 professionally installed.

define "professional"! if you've had this crx for a while and know its
history, stick with it. otherwise you have no idea what you're getting
into. the most important thing is to find someone to do the swap that's
not going to rip you. by the sound of it, half the stuff you've just
mentioned is coming from a source that's trying to set you up to put
their kids through college.

find out if the zc will pass your local emissions laws, then do the zc
swap. that motor is cheap, hella fast [160hp from a 1600 motor], and a
straight bolt-in. then you can keep everything else. and be careful
who you ask!!! talk with a smog person. here in ca, we have "test
only" stations that are forbidden to do work on the vehicles so have no
interest in trying to sell you on stuff you don't need. my local guy is
a honda fan and was delighted to me about what i can and can't do for
egr systems if i want to do mods without getting the vehicle refereed.

one last thing: if you want to be cheap, just get the si cam and swap it
into your d15. you're only losing 97cc's. you could probably do that
yourself. better yet, get an hot aftermarket cam. no problems with
a/c, vtec, transmission, mounts, etc., etc. do it with the engine still
in the car.

In article <Xns98C38E95CBAE2tegger@207.14.116.130>, tegger@tegger.c0m
says...
> Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote in
> news:MPG.2022b80cad2a539e98a158@207.14.116.130:
>
>
> >
> > You've got mail - I didn't want to post the number on the net, but
> > feel free to post the results here.
> >
> > I had a Carfax account briefly several years ago, and at that time I
> > remember running a report for my car, but I don't recall seeing
> > anything unusual then. It's been a while, however, and my memory could
> > certainly be faulty, so I'll be interested to see what it says.
> >
>
>
>
> Huh. I just replied to this thread in the other group, being unaware
> somebody would try to be clever and remove the crossposting, then continue
> the thread with info now invisible to the other group. Dumb.
>
> All you need to determine the engine that was shipped with the car is the
> first eight digits of the VIN. It's the last six that reveal your specific
> car.
>
> There are many VIN decoding sites on the Internet.

Well, in that case...JHMED9364LSxxxxxx.

And to answer the question you asked in your other post, I am in the US.

First Google result for "Honda VIN Code",
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Automotive_VIN_codes,
indicates that this VIN is a 1.6L CRX Si built in Suzuka, Japan. So it
appears that, at a minimum, the block was swapped out at some point.

Dave

Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote in
news:MPG.2022d3fac955b66998a15b@207.14.116.130:


>
> Well, in that case...JHMED9364LSxxxxxx.



1990 Honda CRX
D16A6 SOHC 1.6 engine.

This vehicle does not appear to be an Si, but I could be wrong. I believe
the Si would have a "7" where you have a "6"..


>
> And to answer the question you asked in your other post, I am in the
> US.
>
> First Google result for "Honda VIN Code",
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Automotive_VIN_codes,
> indicates that this VIN is a 1.6L CRX Si built in Suzuka, Japan. So it
> appears that, at a minimum, the block was swapped out at some point.
>



Try this one as well:
http://www.autocheck.com/consumers/g....do?siteID=444


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What's the difference with the Si? could you just get the "Si" badge on
ebay or something and just stick it on?

dan

Tegger wrote:

> This vehicle does not appear to be an Si, but I could be wrong. I believe
> the Si would have a "7" where you have a "6"..

dan wrote:
> What's the difference with the Si? could you just get the "Si" badge on
> ebay or something and just stick it on?

no, as the op said, it's got rear disks and it's 4pfi. the only thing
that's not "si" is the lump under the hood - all systems are present and
correct by the sound of it.

>
> dan
>
> Tegger wrote:
>
>> This vehicle does not appear to be an Si, but I could be wrong. I
>> believe the Si would have a "7" where you have a "6"..