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Old 10 Jan 2007, 09:20 pm
rpms0605@yahoo.com
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Default reccomended maintence schedule

Just bought a 2007 Civic. Real nice car but I don't particularly care
for the Maintenance Minder feature. I prefer to know what mileagae they
reccomend such repairs as flushing the transmission fluid or changing
out the radiotor coolant or changing the air filter. Does anyone know
what these mileage reccomendations are on a Honda?

Also, what's up with the owner's manual saying you can only use non-
Honda fluids (such as tranny fluid, coolant, brake fluid) on a temporary
basis. is there something special about Honda brake fluid? Isn't it
illegal for a company to claim this?
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Old 10 Jan 2007, 09:44 pm
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<rpms0605@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Just bought a 2007 Civic. Real nice car but I don't particularly care
> for the Maintenance Minder feature. I prefer to know what mileagae they
> reccomend such repairs as flushing the transmission fluid or changing
> out the radiotor coolant or changing the air filter. Does anyone know
> what these mileage reccomendations are on a Honda?


The intervals for changing these items depends on many factors. Like length
of trips (did fluids get up to operating temperature) as an example. Will
be different for everybody. I typically drive over 70 miles per trip. My
intervals will be longer (mileage wise) between changes compared to a
grocery getter that only goes 2 miles per trip and never gets up to
operating temperature.

Whose interval do you want to follow? Mine or the grocery getter? Or one
that actually fits your useage?

> Also, what's up with the owner's manual saying you can only use non-
> Honda fluids (such as tranny fluid, coolant, brake fluid) on a temporary
> basis. is there something special about Honda brake fluid? Isn't it
> illegal for a company to claim this?


It's only an illegal claim if it isn't true. The tranny fluid for example
has been proven time and again that using non-Honda fluid for any length of
time causes issues and it takes 3 drain/refill/drive sequences to completely
flush the system of the non-Honda fluids.

So what about the statement is illegal?



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Old 11 Jan 2007, 12:01 am
jim beam
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rpms0605@yahoo.com wrote:
> Just bought a 2007 Civic. Real nice car but I don't particularly care
> for the Maintenance Minder feature. I prefer to know what mileagae they
> reccomend such repairs as flushing the transmission fluid or changing
> out the radiotor coolant or changing the air filter. Does anyone know
> what these mileage reccomendations are on a Honda?


yes. do what it says in the owner manual. in your case, as explained
by seth, use the highly expensive, sophisticated and thoroughly
researched tool honda provide - the maint minder.

>
> Also, what's up with the owner's manual saying you can only use non-
> Honda fluids (such as tranny fluid, coolant, brake fluid) on a temporary
> basis. is there something special about Honda brake fluid? Isn't it
> illegal for a company to claim this?


read the fine print - it's carefully worded and not illegal.

in the case of power steering fluid and auto trans fluid, using anything
other than honda fluids will cause you huge headaches since they /are/
proprietary blends. for coolant and brake fluid, use of the correct
grade alternative is ok, but using an incorrect grade will cause problems.

using honda fluids has a guaranteed outcome - satisfaction and
reliability. your call.
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Old 11 Jan 2007, 12:33 am
Joe LaVigne
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:20:05 -0600, rpms0605 wrote:

> Just bought a 2007 Civic. Real nice car but I don't particularly care
> for the Maintenance Minder feature. I prefer to know what mileagae they
> reccomend such repairs as flushing the transmission fluid or changing
> out the radiotor coolant or changing the air filter. Does anyone know
> what these mileage reccomendations are on a Honda?


They do not have recommendations for much of the stuff. The Maintenance
minder is the new way. It is a better way. Rather than applying an
overly-simplistic rule to everyone, the car actually monitors your usage
and how you drive, and makes the recommendations from there.

>
> Also, what's up with the owner's manual saying you can only use non-
> Honda fluids (such as tranny fluid, coolant, brake fluid) on a temporary
> basis. is there something special about Honda brake fluid? Isn't it
> illegal for a company to claim this?


No, not illegal at all. The use of many aftermarket fluids has been
shown, over the years, to be very detrimental to your Honda. There IS
something special about Honda fluids. They are designed for your car, and
your car designed for them.

The only fluids that I would ever recommend using, that are not from
Honda, are oil and windshield washer...
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Old 11 Jan 2007, 05:47 am
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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In article <20070110222004732-0500@news1.news.adelphia.net>,
rpms0605@yahoo.com wrote:

> Just bought a 2007 Civic. Real nice car but I don't particularly care
> for the Maintenance Minder feature. I prefer to know what mileagae they
> reccomend such repairs as flushing the transmission fluid or changing
> out the radiotor coolant or changing the air filter. Does anyone know
> what these mileage reccomendations are on a Honda?


They don't. They recommend it based on YOUR driving habits--which are
monitored by the computer.

When the computer wasn't available to monitor things like this, all they
had was mileage. Now they can do it better.

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Old 11 Jan 2007, 05:49 am
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Default Re: reccomended maintence schedule

In article <20070110222004732-0500@news1.news.adelphia.net>,
rpms0605@yahoo.com wrote:

> Also, what's up with the owner's manual saying you can only use non-
> Honda fluids (such as tranny fluid, coolant, brake fluid) on a temporary
> basis. is there something special about Honda brake fluid? Isn't it
> illegal for a company to claim this?


You didn't read it very clearly, did you?

They didn't say you can't or else they won't cover any warranty claims,
did they? THAT'S what's illegal.

They simply said that for proper performance, use Honda fluids. And,
aside from oil, they're right.

Of course, it's your car. Go right ahead and treat your new 2007
$20,000 toy like it's a '67 Impala. No one is stopping you.

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Old 12 Jan 2007, 05:57 am
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rpms0605@yahoo.com wrote:
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> Just bought a 2007 Civic. Real nice car but I don't particularly care
> for the Maintenance Minder feature. I prefer to know what mileagae they
> reccomend such repairs as flushing the transmission fluid or changing
> out the radiotor coolant or changing the air filter. Does anyone know
> what these mileage reccomendations are on a Honda?


Check out http://www.high-road.com/maintenance/maintenance.htm for one
shop's maintenance recommendations. By the way, stay away from transmission
flushes. As noted in one of the other people noted, repeated drain and
refills with a short drive in between is the way to go.

> Also, what's up with the owner's manual saying you can only use non-
> Honda fluids (such as tranny fluid, coolant, brake fluid) on a temporary
> basis. is there something special about Honda brake fluid? Isn't it
> illegal for a company to claim this?


One fluid which is critical that you use only Honda's fluid is the power
steering fluid. Use of other fluids will cause the seals in the steering
rack to leak. I've read reports that use of non-Honda ATF will cause
shifting problems. In addition, use of Honda's coolant will maximize the
life of the water pump seal.

Eric
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Old 12 Jan 2007, 06:55 pm
Tegger
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rpms0605@yahoo.com wrote in news:20070110222004732-0500
@news1.news.adelphia.net:

> Just bought a 2007 Civic. Real nice car but I don't particularly care
> for the Maintenance Minder feature. I prefer to know what mileagae they
> reccomend such repairs as flushing the transmission fluid or changing
> out the radiotor coolant or changing the air filter. Does anyone know
> what these mileage reccomendations are on a Honda?




Just what the Maintenance Minder says.

Of course, other than the very first oil change, there is absolutely
nothing to stop you from doing MORE maintenance than what the Minder wants.
The more the merrier. I like to do lots more than the manual says.


>
> Also, what's up with the owner's manual saying you can only use non-
> Honda fluids (such as tranny fluid, coolant, brake fluid) on a temporary
> basis. is there something special about Honda brake fluid? Isn't it
> illegal for a company to claim this?




Not in the slightest, so long as they can prove that damage will occur if
non-specified fluids are used.

Read the wording carefully. If they say Honda fluids SHOULD be used, it
means they'd like you to use their fluids, but it's not essential. If they
say Honda fluids MUST be used, well then that's gospel; the machinery is
designed in such a way that damage will occur with the use of incorrect
fluids.

Keep in mind that non-compliant fluids are often OK for emergency -- very
short-term -- use.

It must be said that Honda mechanical components enjoy extraordinarily long
lives when properly cared for. There are advantages to buying a car made by
a company obsessed with engineering.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
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Old 12 Jan 2007, 07:20 pm
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"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> Keep in mind that non-compliant fluids are often OK for emergency -- very
> short-term -- use.
>

Oh - like pilots peeing in the hydraulic reservoir when the gear won't pump
down!

Mike


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Old 12 Jan 2007, 07:22 pm
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Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns98B6CA73DD973tegger@207.14.116.130...
>> Keep in mind that non-compliant fluids are often OK for emergency -- very
>> short-term -- use.
>>

> Oh - like pilots peeing in the hydraulic reservoir when the gear won't pump
> down!


voluntarily or involuntarily?
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