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Could someone please tell me if you own a 1987 vehicle, on which day it
will qualify to be exempted from the Ontario DriveClean emission test?
Does it mean that Jan 1, 2007? Or does it mean Jan 1, 2008 when it
will be exempted?

"Joseph" <spmok2@canada.com> wrote in news:1158199464.969993.96430
@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:

> Could someone please tell me if you own a 1987 vehicle, on which day it
> will qualify to be exempted from the Ontario DriveClean emission test?
> Does it mean that Jan 1, 2007? Or does it mean Jan 1, 2008 when it
> will be exempted?
>
>


It is exempt when it is 20 model years old. The last year for testing 1987
models is this year.

It's all here:
www.driveclean.com
Click on "FAQ: Historic vehicles..."

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"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>
>
> It is exempt when it is 20 model years old. The last year for testing 1987
> models is this year.

So, like some of our states, if it is old and pollutes a lot, you can let it
get older, pollute even more and we'll make it exempt.

A few weeks ago, I was on a two lane road, no place to pass, following a
mid-70's Old. I was actually getting sick from the fumes and had to drop
back quite a bit to get some clean air.

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
news:Uj3Og.638$Ij.361@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:

>
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>>
>>
>> It is exempt when it is 20 model years old. The last year for testing
>> 1987 models is this year.
>
> So, like some of our states, if it is old and pollutes a lot, you can
> let it get older, pollute even more and we'll make it exempt.
>
> A few weeks ago, I was on a two lane road, no place to pass, following
> a mid-70's Old. I was actually getting sick from the fumes and had to
> drop back quite a bit to get some clean air.
>
>
>



Problem is, 20-year old cars make up perhaps 1% of the cars on the road.
And most of those are not daily drivers.

Are you aware that the air is 57% cleaner in absolute terms now than it
was in 1970? That's in spite of a 153% increase in vehicular traffic.
The US federal EPA says so and you could look it up.

Including 20+ cars is pure politics and social engineering. It
accomplishes nothing except make those cars more expensive and
problematic to own, which is the point.


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"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in news:Xns983DE9CB1E86Btegger@
207.14.116.130:

> Problem is, 20-year old cars make up perhaps 1% of the cars on the
road.
> And most of those are not daily drivers.
>
> Are you aware that the air is 57% cleaner in absolute terms now than it
> was in 1970? That's in spite of a 153% increase in vehicular traffic.
> The US federal EPA says so and you could look it up.
>
> Including 20+ cars is pure politics and social engineering. It
> accomplishes nothing except make those cars more expensive and
> problematic to own, which is the point.
>

All of this guilt trip over driving your car is to divert public
attention from the WORST air polluters.....jet airplanes and power
plants, the worst of the worst corporate polluters.

Delta Airlines' jet fuel buyer was on MSNBC discussing fuel prices with
the stock broker talking heads complaining this was eating into profits
becuase JUST DELTA AIRLINES BURNED 9.4 BILLION GALLONS IN 2004!

If we're REALLY interested in air quality, we need to turn off the oil
burners that make my patio black with soot and build NUCLEAR power
plants....

I'm doing my part with my 33-year-old Mercedes 220 Diesel, shortly I
hope:
http://www.frybrid.com/
At one corner near my home, I've already gotten commitments for over 190
gallons of used frying oil per WEEK!...FREE!
Jabulon's oil barons can kiss my ass!

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You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.

JUST DELTA AIRLINES BURNED 9.4 BILLION GALLONS IN 2004!
>
> If we're REALLY interested in air quality, we need to turn off the oil
> burners that make my patio black with soot and build NUCLEAR power
> plants....
>
> I'm doing my part with my 33-year-old Mercedes 220 Diesel, shortly I
> hope:
> http://www.frybrid.com/
> At one corner near my home, I've already gotten commitments for over
190
> gallons of used frying oil per WEEK!...FREE!
> Jabulon's oil barons can kiss my ass!
>


Thanks for doing your part to help the environment. If more people were
like you, the Earth would be a lot better off. As it is, people put
more effort into planning their weekly TV viewing schedules than
thinking about energy, conservation, saving the Earth. My brother had
an '85 Mercedes 300TD wagon and he ran veggie oil in it. Some idiot ran
into him and totaled it though. He's looking for a 1970's 240D now. He
was thinking of starting a co-cop for used veggie oil. We were to
process it, and sell it in like 10 gallon containers. They could take
the containers home and use them as needed. Then bring the containers
back to get refilled.

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If the vehicle is 1987 and older it will be exempt since its last
required testing was 2 yrs ago. If the vehicle is 1988 and newer it
will have to be tested until it reaches the federally reconized age to
classify as "antique" which is 30 years old. So my 89 chev "B" body
wagon has to be tested until 2019.

Of course this is also dependant on where you live some regions still
dont have to do testing.

Snow...


Joseph wrote:
> Could someone please tell me if you own a 1987 vehicle, on which day it
> will qualify to be exempted from the Ontario DriveClean emission test?
> Does it mean that Jan 1, 2007? Or does it mean Jan 1, 2008 when it
> will be exempted?

"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns983DE9CB1E86Btegger@207.14.116.130:

> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
> news:Uj3Og.638$Ij.361@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
>
>>
>> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>> It is exempt when it is 20 model years old. The last year for testing
>>> 1987 models is this year.
>>
>> So, like some of our states, if it is old and pollutes a lot, you can
>> let it get older, pollute even more and we'll make it exempt.
>>
>> A few weeks ago, I was on a two lane road, no place to pass, following
>> a mid-70's Old. I was actually getting sick from the fumes and had to
>> drop back quite a bit to get some clean air.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Problem is, 20-year old cars make up perhaps 1% of the cars on the road.
> And most of those are not daily drivers.

Car and Driver magazine used to say that most of the pollution from autos
was from the small percent that was not kept up or maintained,the gross
polluters.
IIRC,1% was the number they used.
>
> Are you aware that the air is 57% cleaner in absolute terms now than it
> was in 1970? That's in spite of a 153% increase in vehicular traffic.
> The US federal EPA says so and you could look it up.
>
> Including 20+ cars is pure politics and social engineering. It
> accomplishes nothing except make those cars more expensive and
> problematic to own, which is the point.
>
>

Cars naturally get more expensive to maintain as they get older.
They get more problems as they get older and things wear out or degrade
from heat,ozone,sun,vibration/flexing,rust or corrosion.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

umm.... There is one problem though. I just happen to buy this 1987
car off someone else. So that means it must pass emission before I can
get it plated and drive it. I am thinking of just let it sit for 3.5
months (Oct,Nov,Dec) then when the clock rolls over to 2007. Right now
I have another beater to drive. I will take the safety certificate to
the MTO and get it plated. That is if we are all correct about it not
requiring an emission in 2007. What do you think.

Snow wrote:
> If the vehicle is 1987 and older it will be exempt since its last
> required testing was 2 yrs ago. If the vehicle is 1988 and newer it
> will have to be tested until it reaches the federally reconized age to
> classify as "antique" which is 30 years old. So my 89 chev "B" body
> wagon has to be tested until 2019.
>
> Of course this is also dependant on where you live some regions still
> dont have to do testing.
>
> Snow...
>
>
> Joseph wrote:
> > Could someone please tell me if you own a 1987 vehicle, on which day it
> > will qualify to be exempted from the Ontario DriveClean emission test?
> > Does it mean that Jan 1, 2007? Or does it mean Jan 1, 2008 when it
> > will be exempted?

grappletech <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in news:1158212770_23479
@sp6iad.superfeed.net:

> Thanks for doing your part to help the environment.

Am I the only one to notice how CLEAN and BLUE the sky was in the week
after 9/11 when they grounded them all? Not one word, of course, was said
about it on any of the Propaganda News Channels the corporations run from
Airline ad money.

Of course, that also stopped the chemical seeding in all those contrails.
Go to google and put

contrails seeding

into the search engine. There's thousands of websites, now.....and great
movies on the subject.

HAARP weapon - be very afraid. www.haarp.com

Cars aren't polluting the planet beyond repair any more than 2-stroke
outboard motors are polluting the lakes to death.

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There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.