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Old 16 Aug 2006, 06:28 pm
Jess
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Default Check engine light on...again...ECM issue.

Hello,

I have a '99 Accord Coupe, 4cyl that recently was in the shop for a bad
Bypass Colenoid Valve (BCV). The check engine light went off and
returned again three days later.

The mechanic told me if the light returns that it is most likely going
to be the ECM, which will be more costly than the BCV.

My question is this...how long can I run my car with a bad ECM? I am
currently low in funds and can not afford this replacement especially
since I did my timing belt package a couple weeks ago.

Thanks!

Jessica

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Old 16 Aug 2006, 06:47 pm
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Default Re: Check engine light on...again...ECM issue.

"Jess" <jlhick20@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> Hello,
>
> I have a '99 Accord Coupe, 4cyl that recently was in the shop for a bad
> Bypass Colenoid Valve (BCV). The check engine light went off and
> returned again three days later.




Sounds like a simple EVAP problem. What was the actual alphanumeric code?


>
> The mechanic told me if the light returns that it is most likely going
> to be the ECM, which will be more costly than the BCV.
>
> My question is this...how long can I run my car with a bad ECM? I am
> currently low in funds and can not afford this replacement especially
> since I did my timing belt package a couple weeks ago.
>




First off, other than the Check Engine light, what else is wrong with the
car's behavior? Is it starting and running fine?

Your mechanic may be feeding you a line here. "Failed ECM" is a common
diagnosis for mechanics who are stumped by a problem.

Honda ECMs are exeedingly reliable and almost never go bad unless flooded
or subject to electrical trauma.

How to check your ECM:
1) Insert key in ignition
2) Turn key to "II" (NOT to Start [III]) and leave it there
3) As key is turned to II, the Check Engine light will turn on
4) Two seconds later, CEL will turn off.

If the CEL does not come on, comes on and remains on for good, or stores an
error code that does not exist, then it is bad. Otherwise, it is not bad.


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Old 16 Aug 2006, 08:51 pm
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Default Re: Check engine light on...again...ECM issue.

"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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>
> First off, other than the Check Engine light, what else is wrong with the
> car's behavior? Is it starting and running fine?
>
> Your mechanic may be feeding you a line here. "Failed ECM" is a common
> diagnosis for mechanics who are stumped by a problem.
>
> Honda ECMs are exeedingly reliable and almost never go bad unless flooded
> or subject to electrical trauma.
>


I agree with that in spades! In my experience, at least 90% of ECM
condemnations (other than those in flooded cars) are mistaken.

If for some odd reason you do need to replace the ECU because the engine is
running badly or drinking gas like crazy, wrecking yards are the best
source. You should be able to get a used one with a 30 day guarantee (if it
works 30 days, it should work forever) for less than $100 US.

Mike


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Old 17 Aug 2006, 02:16 pm
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Default Re: Check engine light on...again...ECM issue.

Greetings,

The car is running fine. There are no weird noises, sounds, or
problems with starting or running the engine. I just came back from a
6 hour trip (when the CEL came back on) and it was fine for the entire
ride. I have driven it around town for the past couple days and it has
been perfect.

Today: I turned the key to "II" and the CEL came on, turned off (for
probably one second), and then came back on for good.

When I went to the auto parts store yesterday for a free diagnostic
test...the code read:

"P1457
Manufacturer Contrl.
Auxiliary emission
Controls"

The mechanic gave me a print-out of the initial CEL problem from
www.alldatapro.com when the bypass solenoid valve was repaired. The
code for the mechanic also said P1457. On the print out it says:

Failed part: EVAP Bypass Solenoid Valve
ECM/PCM

Then the print-out goes on to tell the repair procedure. Anyways, he
repaired the valve and the light turned off for a few days and now it's
back with the same error code. Since this code (P1457) has come up
twice, does it mean it's the ECM?

Thanks!

Jess
TeGGeR® wrote:
> "Jess" <jlhick20@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1155770939.408497.117170@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a '99 Accord Coupe, 4cyl that recently was in the shop for a bad
> > Bypass Colenoid Valve (BCV). The check engine light went off and
> > returned again three days later.

>
>
>
> Sounds like a simple EVAP problem. What was the actual alphanumeric code?
>
>
> >
> > The mechanic told me if the light returns that it is most likely going
> > to be the ECM, which will be more costly than the BCV.
> >
> > My question is this...how long can I run my car with a bad ECM? I am
> > currently low in funds and can not afford this replacement especially
> > since I did my timing belt package a couple weeks ago.
> >

>
>
>
> First off, other than the Check Engine light, what else is wrong with the
> car's behavior? Is it starting and running fine?
>
> Your mechanic may be feeding you a line here. "Failed ECM" is a common
> diagnosis for mechanics who are stumped by a problem.
>
> Honda ECMs are exeedingly reliable and almost never go bad unless flooded
> or subject to electrical trauma.
>
> How to check your ECM:
> 1) Insert key in ignition
> 2) Turn key to "II" (NOT to Start [III]) and leave it there
> 3) As key is turned to II, the Check Engine light will turn on
> 4) Two seconds later, CEL will turn off.
>
> If the CEL does not come on, comes on and remains on for good, or stores an
> error code that does not exist, then it is bad. Otherwise, it is not bad.
>
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
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> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/


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Old 17 Aug 2006, 04:12 pm
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"Jess" <jlhick20@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1155842177.349872.195810@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com:

> Greetings,
>
> The car is running fine. There are no weird noises, sounds, or
> problems with starting or running the engine. I just came back from a
> 6 hour trip (when the CEL came back on) and it was fine for the entire
> ride. I have driven it around town for the past couple days and it
> has been perfect.
>
> Today: I turned the key to "II" and the CEL came on, turned off (for
> probably one second), and then came back on for good.
>
> When I went to the auto parts store yesterday for a free diagnostic
> test...the code read:
>
> "P1457
> Manufacturer Contrl.
> Auxiliary emission
> Controls"



Incorrect.

Correct:
Evaporative Emissions (EVAP) Control System Leakage (EVAP Canister System)

This is as opposed to the fuel tank side of the system, which is error
P1456.


>
> The mechanic gave me a print-out of the initial CEL problem from
> www.alldatapro.com when the bypass solenoid valve was repaired. The
> code for the mechanic also said P1457. On the print out it says:
>
> Failed part: EVAP Bypass Solenoid Valve
> ECM/PCM




Maybe, maybe not. He has no way of knowing.



>
> Then the print-out goes on to tell the repair procedure. Anyways, he
> repaired the valve and the light turned off for a few days and now
> it's back with the same error code. Since this code (P1457) has come
> up twice, does it mean it's the ECM?




No, it means he didn't diagnose the problem properly. The code just means
an air leak in the sealed evap canister; it does NOT necessarily mean the
bypass solenoid is bad.

He needs to close all the solenoids, then apply vacuum to the tank and see
if it holds vacuum or not.

Trust me, the ECM is NOT the problem here. Maybe you need a better
mechanic.

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Old 17 Aug 2006, 04:27 pm
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Default Re: Check engine light on...again...ECM issue.

"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
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>
> He needs to close all the solenoids, then apply vacuum to the tank and
> see if it holds vacuum or not.



Actually, it's a bit more complex than that, but a good shop manual will
have the complete testing procedure for the evap system.

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Old 18 Aug 2006, 06:21 pm
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Default Re: Check engine light on...again...ECM issue.

Ok. I will have to shop around for a better mechanic.

Is the car safe to drive? I have been using it all week without issue.

j.


Jess wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a '99 Accord Coupe, 4cyl that recently was in the shop for a bad
> Bypass Colenoid Valve (BCV). The check engine light went off and
> returned again three days later.
>
> The mechanic told me if the light returns that it is most likely going
> to be the ECM, which will be more costly than the BCV.
>
> My question is this...how long can I run my car with a bad ECM? I am
> currently low in funds and can not afford this replacement especially
> since I did my timing belt package a couple weeks ago.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jessica


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Old 18 Aug 2006, 10:20 pm
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"Jess" <jlhick20@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> Ok. I will have to shop around for a better mechanic.



Sure will. Current guy has a point on his head.


>
> Is the car safe to drive?




Sure is. EVAP problems are purely and totally governmental in nature.



> I have been using it all week without issue.



Of course you have. Your problem is a regulatory one, not a functional one.

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Old 18 Aug 2006, 10:50 pm
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Default Re: Check engine light on...again...ECM issue.

"TeGGeRï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï ¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½" wrote:
> "Jess" <jlhick20@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1155943270.124073.104390@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
>
>> Ok. I will have to shop around for a better mechanic.

>
>
> Sure will. Current guy has a point on his head.


make that two. the single point is on the end of his tail.

>
>
>> Is the car safe to drive?

>
>
>
> Sure is. EVAP problems are purely and totally governmental in nature.
>
>
>
>> I have been using it all week without issue.

>
>
> Of course you have. Your problem is a regulatory one, not a functional one.
>

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Old 28 Aug 2006, 05:51 pm
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Default Re: Check engine light on...again...ECM issue.

I'm back. Ok, I have been using the car now for a couple weeks with no
issue. When I find a new mechanic, do I simply tell him that I need
them to check my tank (I presume that it's the gas tank) for leaks?
How much should this roughly cost? If they do find a leak, what will
need to be replaced...the tank?

Unfortunately, I just moved to VA and I will eventually have to
register my car which means a state inspection test. I won't be able
to pass if the CEL is on. Is there a way to override the system, even
if it is only temporary?

j.


jim beam wrote:
> "TeGGeR??????????????????????" wrote:
> > "Jess" <jlhick20@yahoo.com> wrote in
> > news:1155943270.124073.104390@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:
> >
> >> Ok. I will have to shop around for a better mechanic.

> >
> >
> > Sure will. Current guy has a point on his head.

>
> make that two. the single point is on the end of his tail.
>
> >
> >
> >> Is the car safe to drive?

> >
> >
> >
> > Sure is. EVAP problems are purely and totally governmental in nature.
> >
> >
> >
> >> I have been using it all week without issue.

> >
> >
> > Of course you have. Your problem is a regulatory one, not a functional one.
> >


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