Honda Car Forum

I came home today after driving and had coolant in the driveway
originating from the left side front dripping near the oil pan bolt. I
put the car on ramps and tried to find the leak. The leak does not
occur when the car is running, only after you shut it off (which is
common for a water pump). I saw some fluid leaking from the pipe that
goes into the back of the water pump which is sealed with an o-ring.
Has anyone ever seen this seal go? The car has 160,000 miles. It could
be the water pump but it doesn’t look like it is weeping from there but
it is hard to tell. The pipe that comes from the water pump has other
pipes connected to it, but it doesn’t look like they are leaking. It
looks impossible to get at the pipe that comes out of the back of the
water pump. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I plan on taking the
shroud off so that I can get a better look at where the leak is.


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nospam <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in news:44D13E0C.613AA12D@nospam.com:

> I came home today after driving and had coolant in the driveway
> originating from the left side front dripping near the oil pan bolt. I
> put the car on ramps and tried to find the leak. The leak does not
> occur when the car is running, only after you shut it off (which is
> common for a water pump). I saw some fluid leaking from the pipe that
> goes into the back of the water pump which is sealed with an o-ring.



That's the thermostat-to-water-pump pipe.



> Has anyone ever seen this seal go?



Yes. Due to either
1) neglected coolant changes, or
2) rust, or
3) age drying out the O-rings.

#1 and #3 are most common.



> The car has 160,000 miles. It could
> be the water pump but it doesn’t look like it is weeping from there but
> it is hard to tell. The pipe that comes from the water pump has other
> pipes connected to it, but it doesn’t look like they are leaking.



Those hoses feed certain engine controls. They don't usually leak. At least
not catastrophically.



> It
> looks impossible to get at the pipe that comes out of the back of the
> water pump. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I plan on taking the
> shroud off so that I can get a better look at where the leak is.



Do that. The pipe can be removed once you take off the thermostat housing.



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The pipe doesn't seem to go to the thermostat housing, it looks like it
connects to the lower radiator hose. How is the o-ring held in, it looks like
the bolt that holds the pipe in place is the only clamp? I looked at an
exploded view on a honda parts site.

"TeGGeR®" wrote:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in news:44D13E0C.613AA12D@nospam.com:
>
> > I came home today after driving and had coolant in the driveway
> > originating from the left side front dripping near the oil pan bolt. I
> > put the car on ramps and tried to find the leak. The leak does not
> > occur when the car is running, only after you shut it off (which is
> > common for a water pump). I saw some fluid leaking from the pipe that
> > goes into the back of the water pump which is sealed with an o-ring.
>
> That's the thermostat-to-water-pump pipe.
>
> > Has anyone ever seen this seal go?
>
> Yes. Due to either
> 1) neglected coolant changes, or
> 2) rust, or
> 3) age drying out the O-rings.
>
> #1 and #3 are most common.
>
> > The car has 160,000 miles. It could
> > be the water pump but it doesn’t look like it is weeping from there but
> > it is hard to tell. The pipe that comes from the water pump has other
> > pipes connected to it, but it doesn’t look like they are leaking.
>
> Those hoses feed certain engine controls. They don't usually leak. At least
> not catastrophically.
>
>
>
> > It
> > looks impossible to get at the pipe that comes out of the back of the
> > water pump. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I plan on taking the
> > shroud off so that I can get a better look at where the leak is.
>
> Do that. The pipe can be removed once you take off the thermostat housing.
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/


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nospam <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in news:44D14EFF.5EE5573D@nospam.com:

> The pipe doesn't seem to go to the thermostat housing, it looks like
> it connects to the lower radiator hose. How is the o-ring held in, it
> looks like the bolt that holds the pipe in place is the only clamp? I
> looked at an exploded view on a honda parts site.



You are not checking carefully enough. The lower rad hose terminates at the
thermostat housing.


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nospam wrote:
> The pipe doesn't seem to go to the thermostat housing, it looks like it
> connects to the lower radiator hose.

that is the thermostat housing. honda have it on the return, not the
feed like most other manufacturers.

> How is the o-ring held in, it looks like
> the bolt that holds the pipe in place is the only clamp?

it's held in by the thermostat housing being positioned correctly. the
only thing that's sealing it is the o-ring.

> I looked at an
> exploded view on a honda parts site.
>
> "TeGGeR�" wrote:
>
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in news:44D13E0C.613AA12D@nospam.com:
>>
>>> I came home today after driving and had coolant in the driveway
>>> originating from the left side front dripping near the oil pan bolt. I
>>> put the car on ramps and tried to find the leak. The leak does not
>>> occur when the car is running, only after you shut it off (which is
>>> common for a water pump). I saw some fluid leaking from the pipe that
>>> goes into the back of the water pump which is sealed with an o-ring.
>> That's the thermostat-to-water-pump pipe.
>>
>>> Has anyone ever seen this seal go?
>> Yes. Due to either
>> 1) neglected coolant changes, or
>> 2) rust, or
>> 3) age drying out the O-rings.
>>
>> #1 and #3 are most common.
>>
>>> The car has 160,000 miles. It could
>>> be the water pump but it doesn�t look like it is weeping from there but
>>> it is hard to tell. The pipe that comes from the water pump has other
>>> pipes connected to it, but it doesn�t look like they are leaking.
>> Those hoses feed certain engine controls. They don't usually leak. At least
>> not catastrophically.
>>
>>
>>
>>> It
>>> looks impossible to get at the pipe that comes out of the back of the
>>> water pump. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I plan on taking the
>>> shroud off so that I can get a better look at where the leak is.
>> Do that. The pipe can be removed once you take off the thermostat housing.
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR�
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
>

TeGGeR® wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in news:44D14EFF.5EE5573D@nospam.com:
>
>
>>The pipe doesn't seem to go to the thermostat housing, it looks like
>>it connects to the lower radiator hose. How is the o-ring held in, it
>>looks like the bolt that holds the pipe in place is the only clamp? I
>>looked at an exploded view on a honda parts site.
>
>
>
>
> You are not checking carefully enough. The lower rad hose terminates at the
> thermostat housing.

It does? UPPER rad hose goes directly to the 'stat housing on my 3gee Accord...

Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
news:YYfAg.306315$iF6.53448@pd7tw2no:

> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
>> news:44D14EFF.5EE5573D@nospam.com:
>>
>>
>>>The pipe doesn't seem to go to the thermostat housing, it looks like
>>>it connects to the lower radiator hose. How is the o-ring held in,
>>>it looks like the bolt that holds the pipe in place is the only
>>>clamp? I looked at an exploded view on a honda parts site.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You are not checking carefully enough. The lower rad hose terminates
>> at the thermostat housing.
>
> It does? UPPER rad hose goes directly to the 'stat housing on my 3gee
> Accord...
>


Check again. Follow the lower hose carefully to its connection at the
engine.

The engine end of the upper hose only looks like a thermostat housing. It's
not.

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The pipe that goes to the back of the water pump on the carb version of the
1989 Accord DX goes to the lower radiator hose. I verified it on the car and
in the factory service manual. I spoke to a local honda dealer to see if they
have the o-ring, and he said that it common for the pipes to corrode and leak.
Is it common? From what I can see, the pipe looks ok, with a little surface
rust. He suggested that I purchase a new pipe.

"TeGGeR®" wrote:

> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> news:YYfAg.306315$iF6.53448@pd7tw2no:
>
> > TeGGeR® wrote:
> >> nospam <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
> >> news:44D14EFF.5EE5573D@nospam.com:
> >>
> >>
> >>>The pipe doesn't seem to go to the thermostat housing, it looks like
> >>>it connects to the lower radiator hose. How is the o-ring held in,
> >>>it looks like the bolt that holds the pipe in place is the only
> >>>clamp? I looked at an exploded view on a honda parts site.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You are not checking carefully enough. The lower rad hose terminates
> >> at the thermostat housing.
> >
> > It does? UPPER rad hose goes directly to the 'stat housing on my 3gee
> > Accord...
> >
>
> Check again. Follow the lower hose carefully to its connection at the
> engine.
>
> The engine end of the upper hose only looks like a thermostat housing. It's
> not.
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
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> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/


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nospam <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in news:44D277B0.2B507803@nospam.com:

> The pipe that goes to the back of the water pump on the carb version
> of the 1989 Accord DX goes to the lower radiator hose. I verified it
> on the car and in the factory service manual.



The thermostat housing is the big aluminum thing between that pipe and the
lower rad hose. It must be removed in order to replace the pipe.



> I spoke to a local
> honda dealer to see if they have the o-ring, and he said that it
> common for the pipes to corrode and leak. Is it common? From what I
> can see, the pipe looks ok, with a little surface rust. He suggested
> that I purchase a new pipe.



So long as you can find O-rings that are the right size and of a material
that is compatible with antifreeze, you can just replace the O-rings. That
presupposes that the pipe will be in sufficiently good condition to reuse.

My general advice when it comes to cooling system components is not to
skimp. Too much risk to the engine from skimping. I'd be inlcined to get a
whole new pipe, myself.

By the way, make sure the seats in both the water pump and the thermostat
housing are clean and smooth when you perform the service, and lube the new
O-rings with antifreeze prior to installation.


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TeGGeR® wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> news:YYfAg.306315$iF6.53448@pd7tw2no:
>
>
>>TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>>>nospam <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
>>>news:44D14EFF.5EE5573D@nospam.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The pipe doesn't seem to go to the thermostat housing, it looks like
>>>>it connects to the lower radiator hose. How is the o-ring held in,
>>>>it looks like the bolt that holds the pipe in place is the only
>>>>clamp? I looked at an exploded view on a honda parts site.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You are not checking carefully enough. The lower rad hose terminates
>>>at the thermostat housing.
>>
>>It does? UPPER rad hose goes directly to the 'stat housing on my 3gee
>>Accord...
>>
>
>
>
> Check again. Follow the lower hose carefully to its connection at the
> engine.
>
> The engine end of the upper hose only looks like a thermostat housing. It's
> not.

I don't need to check it - I've changed the 'stat on this car twice, once when
the one it came with died, and once when the "fail-safe" unit I replaced it with
failed CLOSED (grumble grumble)... trust me, the upper rad hose connects to the
thermostat housing.

The lower hose, BTW, connects to a pipe that runs along the back of the engine
under the intake manifold, and feeds the water pump.

My previous Accord was the same. First one, I couldn't say, because it never in
over 300,000km had a problem with the cooling system.

I'll go take pictures, if you like...