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Old 01 Aug 2006, 01:23 pm
John Horner
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Default GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%

The only "good" news for GM was that Ford and Chrysler were off even
more at 34% for Ford and 37% for Chrysler.

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...mktNews&rpc=44

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060801/latu106.html?.v=60

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...mktNews&rpc=44

http://yahoo.reuters.com/business/ne...IndustryNews-2
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Old 01 Aug 2006, 06:12 pm
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"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The only "good" news for GM was that Ford and Chrysler were off even more
> at 34% for Ford and 37% for Chrysler.
>


According to the news tonight, Toyota is #2 for July, passing Ford.


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Old 02 Aug 2006, 09:25 am
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8_Mzg.4185$cj7.965@trnddc01...
> > The only "good" news for GM was that Ford and Chrysler were off even

more
> > at 34% for Ford and 37% for Chrysler.
> >

>
> According to the news tonight, Toyota is #2 for July, passing Ford.
>
>

Confrimed in the Business section of our paper today -- "July vehicle sales
rise for Toyota and Honda..." GM sales were off 31.2% for trucks and cars
down for 2.7%. Chrysler was downs 40/23.5 percent respectively. So even
their cars present sales problems.


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Old 02 Aug 2006, 10:50 am
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Default Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%

Toyota and Honda sales are bolstered by the midget cars that are in vogue
today. GM and Ford do not offer midget cars. Seems to me that is
temporary. Midget car buyers are not generally the average US new vehicle
buyers that buys a new vehicle every three or four years. Fords hit was the
F150, but it is end of the model year. Major F150 buyers will soon be
buying 2007s, not leftovers.



mike hunt


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> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
> newsdRzg.418$1f6.320@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net. ..
>>
>> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:8_Mzg.4185$cj7.965@trnddc01...
>> > The only "good" news for GM was that Ford and Chrysler were off even

> more
>> > at 34% for Ford and 37% for Chrysler.
>> >

>>
>> According to the news tonight, Toyota is #2 for July, passing Ford.
>>
>>

> Confrimed in the Business section of our paper today -- "July vehicle
> sales
> rise for Toyota and Honda..." GM sales were off 31.2% for trucks and cars
> down for 2.7%. Chrysler was downs 40/23.5 percent respectively. So even
> their cars present sales problems.
>
>



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Old 02 Aug 2006, 12:35 pm
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"tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Confrimed in the Business section of our paper today -- "July vehicle

sales
> rise for Toyota and Honda..." GM sales were off 31.2% for trucks and cars
> down for 2.7%. Chrysler was downs 40/23.5 percent respectively. So even
> their cars present sales problems.


People are nervous. They are, perhaps temporarily, thinking economy.
Soaring gasoline and associated energy costs are making reasoning
people shake their heads in disbelief.

The stock market is making people question the whole economic system
and the wars in the Middle East are not helping either.

Predictions were published the other day, and I dont remember really where,
that Toyota will overtake GM for the world market in the next couple of
years.
Predictions dont mean anything, though, and we can wait and watch.


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Old 02 Aug 2006, 02:58 pm
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Overtaking GM worldwide is more of a possibility than in the US. GM and
Toyota do not necessarily compete in the same small markets around the
world. The Japs have a better economies of scale in the small and midget
cars, as well. As Toyota starts to sell vehicles in the US in the million
rather than in the hundreds of thousands, as it has for a long time, more
of their not so good ones are starting to come to the surface. Over time
that will erode the buyers perception of their so call superior quality.
Anybody in the business knows that Toyotas vehicles are no better on average
than any other manufactures vehicles.


mike hunt


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> "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:RC2Ag.14762$PO.11803@dukeread03...
>
>> Confrimed in the Business section of our paper today -- "July vehicle

> sales
>> rise for Toyota and Honda..." GM sales were off 31.2% for trucks and
>> cars
>> down for 2.7%. Chrysler was downs 40/23.5 percent respectively. So even
>> their cars present sales problems.

>
> People are nervous. They are, perhaps temporarily, thinking economy.
> Soaring gasoline and associated energy costs are making reasoning
> people shake their heads in disbelief.
>
> The stock market is making people question the whole economic system
> and the wars in the Middle East are not helping either.
>
> Predictions were published the other day, and I dont remember really
> where,
> that Toyota will overtake GM for the world market in the next couple of
> years.
> Predictions dont mean anything, though, and we can wait and watch.
>
>



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Old 02 Aug 2006, 03:55 pm
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Default Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Toyota and Honda sales are bolstered by the midget cars that are in vogue
> today. GM and Ford do not offer midget cars. Seems to me that is
> temporary. Midget car buyers are not generally the average US new vehicle
> buyers that buys a new vehicle every three or four years. Fords hit was the
> F150, but it is end of the model year. Major F150 buyers will soon be
> buying 2007s, not leftovers.
>
>
>
> mike hunt
>



You are the master of SPIN Mr. Hunt. Perhaps you should be working in
PR or as a government Press Secretary.

Yes the market has moved to more fuel efficient vehicles, and no, the US
makers are not strong either in product or brand image with regard to
said fuel efficient vehicles.

Ford and GM lived high off the great 1990s truck boom, but that fad is
over and is not likely to come back. Large trucks are likely to fall
back to the 20-25% of the US market they enjoyed for many decades and
away from the ~50% level of the 90s and early 00s. Fads come and go, it
is their nature. This fad is over and the US makers are caught with
their collective pants down, again.

John


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Old 02 Aug 2006, 04:36 pm
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You are entitled to your own opinion but I am simply stating facts.
Actually the fuel economy of the comparable cars and trucks that both GM and
Ford have to offer are as good, or better. than import brands. Where they
fall short is in the midget car class where the do not generally offer a
competitive vehicle. When one considers the drive home price difference
between the domestics and most imports, the domestics have the advantage for
an astute buyer. One need prepay for their fuel by spending an extra 20% or
30% to get a few more MPG. The Koreans do a far better job of fuel economy
for the price than the Japs. Both GM and Ford have more vehicles that get
30 or more MPG than any of the imports.


mike hunt


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> Mike Hunter wrote:
>> Toyota and Honda sales are bolstered by the midget cars that are in vogue
>> today. GM and Ford do not offer midget cars. Seems to me that is
>> temporary. Midget car buyers are not generally the average US new
>> vehicle buyers that buys a new vehicle every three or four years. Fords
>> hit was the F150, but it is end of the model year. Major F150 buyers
>> will soon be buying 2007s, not leftovers.
>>
>>
>>
>> mike hunt
>>

>
>
> You are the master of SPIN Mr. Hunt. Perhaps you should be working in PR
> or as a government Press Secretary.
>
> Yes the market has moved to more fuel efficient vehicles, and no, the US
> makers are not strong either in product or brand image with regard to said
> fuel efficient vehicles.
>
> Ford and GM lived high off the great 1990s truck boom, but that fad is
> over and is not likely to come back. Large trucks are likely to fall
> back to the 20-25% of the US market they enjoyed for many decades and away
> from the ~50% level of the 90s and early 00s. Fads come and go, it is
> their nature. This fad is over and the US makers are caught with their
> collective pants down, again.
>
> John
>
>



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Old 02 Aug 2006, 05:19 pm
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What you call the "midget class," oh top posting one, is the class of
the future, at least until some kind of technological breakthrough
allows us to move away from fossil fuels. The US mfgrs. should have
known this but instead of planning long term, they've been milking the
SUV craze while it lasted, and now they're paying for it. You're also
completely disregarding reputation for quality, which is indisputably
in favor of the imports. One thing that you got right in your post is
that the Koreans are likely going to make a strong showing over the
next couple years.

nate

Mike Hunter wrote:
> You are entitled to your own opinion but I am simply stating facts.
> Actually the fuel economy of the comparable cars and trucks that both GM and
> Ford have to offer are as good, or better. than import brands. Where they
> fall short is in the midget car class where the do not generally offer a
> competitive vehicle. When one considers the drive home price difference
> between the domestics and most imports, the domestics have the advantage for
> an astute buyer. One need prepay for their fuel by spending an extra 20% or
> 30% to get a few more MPG. The Koreans do a far better job of fuel economy
> for the price than the Japs. Both GM and Ford have more vehicles that get
> 30 or more MPG than any of the imports.
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Yi8Ag.3641$8v.6@trnddc05...
> > Mike Hunter wrote:
> >> Toyota and Honda sales are bolstered by the midget cars that are in vogue
> >> today. GM and Ford do not offer midget cars. Seems to me that is
> >> temporary. Midget car buyers are not generally the average US new
> >> vehicle buyers that buys a new vehicle every three or four years. Fords
> >> hit was the F150, but it is end of the model year. Major F150 buyers
> >> will soon be buying 2007s, not leftovers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> mike hunt
> >>

> >
> >
> > You are the master of SPIN Mr. Hunt. Perhaps you should be working in PR
> > or as a government Press Secretary.
> >
> > Yes the market has moved to more fuel efficient vehicles, and no, the US
> > makers are not strong either in product or brand image with regard to said
> > fuel efficient vehicles.
> >
> > Ford and GM lived high off the great 1990s truck boom, but that fad is
> > over and is not likely to come back. Large trucks are likely to fall
> > back to the 20-25% of the US market they enjoyed for many decades and away
> > from the ~50% level of the 90s and early 00s. Fads come and go, it is
> > their nature. This fad is over and the US makers are caught with their
> > collective pants down, again.
> >
> > John
> >
> >


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Old 02 Aug 2006, 05:23 pm
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Mike Hunter wrote:
> Overtaking GM worldwide is more of a possibility than in the US. GM and
> Toyota do not necessarily compete in the same small markets around the
> world. The Japs have a better economies of scale in the small and midget
> cars, as well. As Toyota starts to sell vehicles in the US in the million
> rather than in the hundreds of thousands, as it has for a long time, more
> of their not so good ones are starting to come to the surface. Over time
> that will erode the buyers perception of their so call superior quality.
> Anybody in the business knows that Toyotas vehicles are no better on average
> than any other manufactures vehicles.


Stop, you're killing me. Only a very few mfgrs. have the same
reputation for reliability and durability as Toyota. Really only Honda
has the same kind of "halo" although I am partial to VW myself (but
their shitty dealer network and past issues with poor quality
outsourced components has tarnished their reputation among the general
public.)

Anyone that can say with a straight face that there is no difference in
quality between vehicles is quite simply ignorant. If that were true,
we'd all just buy the cheapest car we could. Simply test driving a
cross-section of the various cars in any given class will show up great
differences in fit and finish, material quality, etc. etc. etc. and to
disregard this is idiotic. Most people realize this, and try to strike
some compromise between quality and price.

nate

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